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Tasty1 07-30-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21921838)
bjorn - donīt be stupid.
you canīt compare the CO2 damage from beef with in example the damage caused by fracking or coal.

what you guys like to forget in this "cow fart problem" is that cows are eating gras. gras is reducing CO2 and there would be less gras if there would be less cows.

in fact EVERY plant is producing CO2 as soon it it used for something or eaten. it is producing the SAME amount of CO2 what it needs to take while it is growing. thatīs why
you will INCREASE CO2 with fossils like coal, gas or oil because that is not growing again and there will not be any consumption of CO2 from growing plants.

your argument would make sense if this cows where eating coal or gas or oil. but the good thing is: they donīt like it !

So, Thommy knows better than the whole green movement and scientist.
Are cows the cause of global warming? | Time for change

"The most important conclusion for ourselves is: Eat much less meat and dairy products. This is one of the most effective ways to reduce our personal carbon footprint and to generally reduce our personal negative impact on the environment. "

Cows don't eat grass, they eat superfoods to produce more milk and beef. Not all cow meat is exclusive kobe-meat. They aren't even allowed to go outside to eat grass. They must fart inside. Why do you think there aren't many cows outside in Holland anymore? Is all because they must fart inside cause of co2 laws.

Tasty1 07-30-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21921844)
see - THIS is again a good example how a globalized economy is influencing prosperity.
because WHY is US importing beef from brazil when it exports its own beef to japan?

i will tell you why: because US citizens could not afford to buy the prime rib every day.
but prime rib is an AMERICAN good and CAN be exported.
what follows here on long term is either that the meat price in US goes up (decreasing properity because people have to spend more money) or us-farmers have to stop the prime rib production what will kill the export completely and with it it will kill jobs (and again the prosperity is killed).

please stop to talk about economy - you are telling the same bullshit as paul.
your economic solutions are proven wrong since thousands of years - why should mankind make the same mistakes again just because people like you, paul or joshua G
have been sick when that was teached in school ?

Thommy doesn't know what he wants. You where so mad about 0.01 degrees Paris Climate plan where Trump destroyed the world. But when he does something good, it is also bad. You must make a choice; what do you want; to save, jobs or the world!

Why does every "green" organisation try to let people less meat. And what works best accoring to them; make it more expensive!

"Industrial livestock agriculture—raising cows, pigs and chickens—generates as much greenhouse gas emissions as all cars, trucks and automobiles combined."
"Cattle ranchers have clear cut millions of acreshaof forests for grazing pastures, inhibiting the landscape’s ability to absorb carbon from the atmosphere. "

More Meat Threatens the Planet
More Meat Threatens the Planet

Just admit, this is good for the environment... And better for the USA when they start consuming their own meat.
You don't want the bionic cows from Brazil that are exported while rotten, with no quality control cause of bribes.

nico-t 07-30-2017 08:30 AM

Big international corporate deals like TPP, TTIP and CETA only benefit the huge conglomerates and destroys the national small and medium sized businesses, because these deals make it impossible for them to compete. Deals like this are created for and by these huge global corporations to make more money and to phase out competition.

I cannot believe how you can support this, it's really a riddle to me.

Besides that, those deals will also overrule national laws regarding possible harmful ingredients in food which some countries do allow and some do not. It will all be negatively leveled down. If these deals all go through we are all eating bad quality food from the same huge corporations stuffed with chemicals. Hooray for cancer!

Sarn 07-30-2017 08:42 AM

The United States has the world's largest trade deficit. It's been that way since 1975. The deficit in goods and services was $502 billion in 2016. It occurred because imports were $2.7 trillion and exports were only $2.2 trillion.

China -- $579 billion traded with a $347 billion deficit.
Canada -- $545 billion traded with a $11 billion deficit.
Mexico -- $525 billion traded with a $63 billion deficit.
Japan -- $196 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.
Germany -- $164 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit.
https://www.thebalance.com/trade-def...county-3306264

This countries which Trump not like ;)

blackmonsters 07-30-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21920860)
Trump pulled out of TTP with Australia.. and US has a trade SURPLUS with Australia..

Well, we don't really need any kangaroo meat or dingoes at this moment.

:1orglaugh

BaldBastard 07-30-2017 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 21922426)
Well, we don't really need any kangaroo meat or dingoes at this moment.
:1orglaugh

Actually all jokes aside you probably got some roo meat, its used in dog and cat foods a lot, its not bad to eat either certainly more healthy for you than beef. Taste is more like a gamy venison.

And just in case you don't understand my post, under the TTP trade deal America was making more from Australia, than we were making from you, cancelling it as Trump did has a zero effect on Aus, because we just sell more of the same product to China. The long term effect is the American farmers and what ever selling their products to Australia got screwed, no more trade agreement with here. Trump has said he will renegotiate it at some time, I don't think its entered American heads, the deals have already been done with China.. there's nothing to trade with you now... Unless of course you want to pay more.. And don't forget the past TTP took 7 years to finalize. Trump fucked the USA over forever on that, China was waiting with cheque book in hand for it to happen.

Its not all doom and gloom, I fully expect China to have a huge social revolution at some time. Just understand its not the USA's call any more.. Its China's.

TTP was designed to make Pacific nations, dependant on the USA not China.

Tasty1 07-30-2017 10:37 AM

China's plan to cut meat consumption by 50% cheered by climate campaigners
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...climate-change

But it doesn't work, only more meat eaters in Japan and China.

"“China’s demand for meat will continue to grow and support hundreds of thousands of jobs in the US meat industry,” he added. “From a climate perspective, the methane will still be created, but will be shifted to the United States.”"

China, hypocrit Paris Agreement supporter

Bladewire 07-30-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21921943)
How many jobs have been lost due to Globalisation? How many more jobs will be lost?

Or is that OK with you?

I can live in any country and adapt.

We are already globalised, you are a perfect example of this. A British white nationalist uncomfortable with the browning of Britain you move to all white Czech, take jobs from locals and make your money online by exporting content. What you made was then stolen by Russians & Asians online, redistributed and put money in their pockets.

There's no going back now Paul adapt or die has proven very true in globalisation.

Barry-xlovecam 07-30-2017 11:03 AM

Do you know what Kobe Beef is and how much it costs in Japan. This is all about Japanese farm protectionism.

The only beef I have personally eaten that was imported was canned corned beef. The canned imported beef comes from Brazil now. Argentine canned corned beef disappeared from store shelves 2 years ago here.

NEWS: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/w...ed-states.html
FRESH beef imports to the US from Brazil are suspended for reason of sanitation concerns.

All the fresh meat I buy is from the USA. This is in a normal commercial grocery store's meat counter. There is a lot of imported frozen fish. I buy Chinese Wild Caught Salmon that comes frozen -- that has always been good here (Kroger). Other pond raised fish from China and Asia are not very good tasting. I do get tilapia -- high grade from a commercial restaurant supply house here (open to the public also) that is actually good fish but it costs twice the price as the crap at Aldis does -- their talipia tastes like the pond fish are fed grease renderings and have to eat their own shit for roughage ...

crockett 07-30-2017 11:07 AM

MAGA any day now..

Sarn 07-30-2017 11:20 AM

Need to tried sell to Japan a bucket of coal
https://watermarked.cutcaster.com/cu...-in-bucket.jpg

Tasty1 07-30-2017 12:07 PM

Eating Tilapia Is Worse Than Eating Bacon
https://draxe.com/eating-tilapia-is-...-eating-bacon/

I Always eat my fish fresh from the sea, and i stay where the sea is clear :)

Will post-Brexit UK swallow America?s ?chlorinated chicken? for a trade deal?
"The US is the second-largest exporter of poultry meat in the world (following only Brazil) but Europe has long banned its chicken from import, thanks to the American practice of bathing chicken carcasses in chlorine."
https://qz.com/1037737/will-post-bre...-a-trade-deal/

The long-standing conflict with the United States over the European Union's ban on the use of growth hormones in beef cattle is back on the table.
https://euobserver.com/opinion/138498

JuicyBunny 07-30-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21922588)
Do you know what Kobe Beef is and how much it costs in Japan. This is all about Japanese farm protectionism.

The only beef I have personally eaten that was imported was canned corned beef. The canned imported beef comes from Brazil now. Argentine canned corned beef disappeared from store shelves 2 years ago here.

NEWS: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/w...ed-states.html
FRESH beef imports to the US from Brazil are suspended for reason of sanitation concerns.

All the fresh meat I buy is from the USA. This is in a normal commercial grocery store's meat counter. There is a lot of imported frozen fish. I buy Chinese Wild Caught Salmon that comes frozen -- that has always been good here (Kroger). Other pond raised fish from China and Asia are not very good tasting. I do get tilapia -- high grade from a commercial restaurant supply house here (open to the public also) that is actually good fish but it costs twice the price as the crap at Aldis does -- their talipia tastes like the pond fish are fed grease renderings and have to eat their own shit for roughage ...

Japanese self-police the meat sections of stores just fine. US is on the bottom of the list anyway. Next to Chinese imports.
Kobe beef runs about $200 a pound these days. Delicious.
People in Japan are very picky about food. More so than any place I've lived before.

You may call it protectionism but we call it preferred dining.

Bladewire 07-30-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21922732)
Eating Tilapia Is Worse Than Eating Bacon
https://draxe.com/eating-tilapia-is-...-eating-bacon/

I Always eat my fish fresh from the sea, and i stay where the sea is clear :)

Will post-Brexit UK swallow America?s ?chlorinated chicken? for a trade deal?
"The US is the second-largest exporter of poultry meat in the world (following only Brazil) but Europe has long banned its chicken from import, thanks to the American practice of bathing chicken carcasses in chlorine."
https://qz.com/1037737/will-post-bre...-a-trade-deal/

The long-standing conflict with the United States over the European Union's ban on the use of growth hormones in beef cattle is back on the table.
https://euobserver.com/opinion/138498

We have tons of organic and free range farms in America that use no antibiotics. They are growing astronomically every year. Turns out Americans pay more for humane treatment and quality meat.

Sarn 07-30-2017 12:46 PM

In the 17th and 18th centuries demand for Chinese goods (particularly silk, porcelain, and tea) in Europe created a trade imbalance between Qing Imperial China and Great Britain. European silver flowed into China through the Canton System, which confined incoming foreign trade to Canton and the Chinese merchants of the Thirteen Factories. To counter this imbalance, the British East India Company began to auction opium grown in India to independent foreign traders in exchange for silver, and in doing so strengthened its trading influence in Asia. The opium was transported to the Chinese coast where local middlemen made massive profits selling the drug inside China. The influx of narcotics reversed the Chinese trade surplus, drained the economy of silver, and increased the numbers of opium addicts inside the country, outcomes that worried Chinese officials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

Interesting how it will be solved now)

Bladewire 07-30-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21922810)
In the 17th and 18th centuries demand for Chinese goods (particularly silk, porcelain, and tea) in Europe created a trade imbalance between Qing Imperial China and Great Britain. European silver flowed into China through the Canton System, which confined incoming foreign trade to Canton and the Chinese merchants of the Thirteen Factories. To counter this imbalance, the British East India Company began to auction opium grown in India to independent foreign traders in exchange for silver, and in doing so strengthened its trading influence in Asia. The opium was transported to the Chinese coast where local middlemen made massive profits selling the drug inside China. The influx of narcotics reversed the Chinese trade surplus, drained the economy of silver, and increased the numbers of opium addicts inside the country, outcomes that worried Chinese officials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

Interesting how it will be solved now)

Brilliant! We need to get China hooked on drugs again!

BaldBastard 07-30-2017 12:50 PM

Buy local, buy fresh and you can't go wrong.

I worked as a Chef for 20 years pre internet, never once do I recall buying an American product, nearly every other major country I could name several imports used, each has there own specialities. But USA.. nadda.

I could tell you now if I put.. "American Steak" on a menu, no one would order it no matter how good it was, simply on fear of what additives or steroids were used in the production.

I've been in the USA many times and eaten at many world class places there but try and explain that to others upon leaving the USA and your basically laughed at. The reputation internationally for your produce is not the best, and it was trashed a long time ago.

I don't know how the USA recovers from that, but its certainly not going to be by rolling back regulations like Trump is trying.

Barry-xlovecam 07-30-2017 12:56 PM

so you say ... to each his own.

Fresh meat costs twice the price in Europe as it does here. And we US Americans make 30% more money than the Dutch on the average.

I was just in Rome a few months ago and have been in Amsterdam 4 times in the last 6 years -- so don't try and feed me your bullshit -- I know better. Meat is no better in Europe than America--just more expensive. I thought the fresh vegetables better and the breads are much better.

Sarn 07-30-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21922816)
Brilliant! We need to get China hooked on drugs again!

coal is more not needed for USA than drugs.
need tried to sell coal first

Barry-xlovecam 07-30-2017 01:30 PM

The average heat content of coal produced in the United States was about 19.88 million British thermal units (Btu) per short ton (2000 pounds)

One short ton (.91 metric ton) of light crude oil = 39,059,909 Btu

Now figure the tanker v. cargo ship costs -- it is not worth intercontinental transport -- freight trains over short distances only -- coal is a very common mineral mined in many places locally.

Rochard 07-30-2017 01:41 PM

Trump doesn't understand the very basics of how any of this works. He's told us this before - He is a salesman who needs to sell things and he sells things by making everything sound "huge" and "grand". He sold us on leaving the TTP because it "sounded good" but in truth he did a huge amount of damage. We now have no partnership with any of the Asian countries - and China was glad to step in and take our place.

I can't stand all of this winning.

nico-t 07-30-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21922894)
Trump doesn't understand the very basics of how any of this works. He's told us this before - He is a salesman who needs to sell things and he sells things by making everything sound "huge" and "grand". He sold us on leaving the TTP because it "sounded good" but in truth he did a huge amount of damage. We now have no partnership with any of the Asian countries - and China was glad to step in and take our place.

I can't stand all of this winning.

You're completely oblivious. Do you even know what TTP means for businesses, products and quality of food you eat every day, same as TTIP and CETA? You are totally 100% wrong about every single thing, it's baffling.

Bladewire 07-30-2017 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21923002)
You're completely oblivious. Do you even know what TTP means for businesses, products and quality of food you eat every day, same as TTIP and CETA? You are totally 100% wrong about every single thing, it's baffling.

Your ignorance is shining brightly.

This 50% tariff on beef is just the beginning.

Putin thanks you for your service

Sarn 07-30-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21922864)
The average heat content of coal produced in the United States was about 19.88 million British thermal units (Btu) per short ton (2000 pounds)

One short ton (.91 metric ton) of light crude oil = 39,059,909 Btu

Now figure the tanker v. cargo ship costs -- it is not worth intercontinental transport -- freight trains over short distances only -- coal is a very common mineral mined in many places locally.

Ukraine buys overpriced 300% easy.

nico-t 07-30-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21923020)
Your ignorance is shining brightly.

This 50% tariff on beef is just the beginning.

Putin thanks you for your service

Multinationals and globalists treating citizens like cockroaches thank you for your service.

BaldBastard 07-30-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21923002)
You're completely oblivious. Do you even know what TTP means for businesses, products and quality of food you eat every day, same as TTIP and CETA? You are totally 100% wrong about every single thing, it's baffling.

Actually the only baffling is yourself. TTP was bad in many ways I agree, but it was totally in Americas favour and as for the food.. I think you have been reading to many Russian propaganda sites.

The major goal of TTP was to slow the movement of China into the pacific. Lets say China decided to kick the USA out of the south China Sea, which is a HIGHLY likely scenario, for the USA to take a stand and say no, they need to support of regional countries to do that and under TTP, that wouldn't of been so hard.

Without it well Australia is trading 80% with China, NZ has a free trade deal and basically every other pacific country is following. Highly unlikely we will shoot ourselves in the hand that feeds us.

Also the beloved sanctions on Russia, without TTP many countries will still trade with Russia, TTP was going to snip that in the arse... hence why the Russian propaganda machine went into over drive.

I'm glad TTP was dropped! But I'm a Kiwi Australian, if I was American, I'd be Sad because surly America is the biggest losers.

thommy 07-30-2017 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21923074)
Actually the only baffling is yourself. TTP was bad in many ways I agree, but it was totally in Americas favour and as for the food.. I think you have been reading to many Russian propaganda sites.

The major goal of TTP was to slow the movement of China into the pacific. Lets say China decided to kick the USA out of the south China Sea, which is a HIGHLY likely scenario, for the USA to take a stand and say no, they need to support of regional countries to do that and under TTP, that wouldn't of been so hard.

Without it well Australia is trading 80% with China, NZ has a free trade deal and basically every other pacific country is following. Highly unlikely we will shoot ourselves in the hand that feeds us.

sure - but some americans still think they have to allow that.
ASEAN became already such a big trade thing that even the european union (what have underestimated that for a long time) wants to get into that - and the first contracts are already signed.

Quote:

Also the beloved sanctions on Russia, without TTP many countries will still trade with Russia, TTP was going to snip that in the arse... hence why the Russian propaganda machine went into over drive.
this sanctions are exactly for what?
the one and only reason for that bullshit is to replace russian gas delieveries with US gas.
why should europe do that? why there should be build new piplines to a country what delivers us gas for the same price made from fracking?

Quote:

I'm glad TTP was dropped! But I'm a Kiwi Australian, if I was American, I'd be Sad because surly America is the biggest losers.
THIS !!!
glad to have someone in that round from outside us who also understand how global economy works.

not that i would underline every australian decision - you guys make also a lot of rubbish there down under - but at least you have a great diplomacy what works perfectly in regards to economy.

Barry-xlovecam 07-30-2017 06:05 PM

You can squarely blame Trump and his "America First" policy. The TTP also had Obama's name on it, so Trump had to trash it, on general principles. Whether is was to the USA's benefit or not -- the TTP had certain trade decision sovereignty issues that many here objected to. How this was that much different from the WTO court -- I don't see it myself.

So, if it is America's loss and the China's gain so be it I guess -- all a part of MAGA :upsidedow

Bladewire 07-30-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21923224)
You can squarely blame Trump and his "America First" policy. The TTP also had Obama's name on it, so Trump had to trash it, on general principles. Whether is was to the USA's benefit or not -- the TTP had certain trade decision sovereignty issues that many here objected to. How this was that much different from the WTO court -- I don't see it myself.

So, if it is America's loss and the China's gain so be it I guess -- all a part of MAGA :upsidedow

Interesting times ahead :2 cents:

BaldBastard 07-30-2017 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21923167)
sure - but some americans still think they have to allow that.
ASEAN became already such a big trade thing that even the european union (what have underestimated that for a long time) wants to get into that - and the first contracts are already signed..

TTP sucked, but it sucked for everyone equally, over all it was a good policy but if you broke it down everyone was winners and losers, Trump just cherry picked a few off as justification for scrapping it. Its very hard to get that many countries agreeing on anything, it will never be replaced. Back to individual deals again.. which was one of the main problems in the first place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21923167)
this sanctions are exactly for what?
the one and only reason for that bullshit is to replace russian gas delieveries with US gas.
why should europe do that? why there should be build new piplines to a country what delivers us gas for the same price made from fracking?.

Yeah, I understand that but I also see the American side, lets all be clear its not Russian gas, its Russian Oligarch gas. The only solution to that was Government policies promoting alternative fuel and energy innovation. And Trumps killed that BUT.. that's only short term to he is ousted, pity he's set the world back 15 years. I hope Europe fight these sanctions, because your the ones paying the price for American/ Russian bullshit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21923167)
not that i would underline every australian decision - you guys make also a lot of rubbish there down under - but at least you have a great diplomacy what works perfectly in regards to economy.

Australia is fucked, first we are now Chinas prawn, they can screw us very quickly anytime, This whole American ally thing is over, we are very much in Chinas back pocket. And I'm afraid we will have to be bitch slapped a few times before everyone wakes up to that fact.

The other issue is Australians overwhelming faith in their Government. This is the most over regulated place on the planet, daily policy comes out restricting citizens freedoms and everybody just bends over and lets the Govenment shove it up their ass.

Paul Markham 07-30-2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21922006)
oh what about voting for someone who have a CLUE of econmy? wouldnīt that be a better idea?

globalisation did not kill jobs it created NEW ONES !!! thatīs what you can see in ALL OTHER COUNTRIES !!!!!!!

Globalisation moves jobs from the First World to the First.


You don't see a direct link to losing jobs, losing taxes, adding benefits and debt. OK then, guess you never will.

Paul Markham 07-30-2017 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21922411)
Big international corporate deals like TPP, TTIP and CETA only benefit the huge conglomerates and destroys the national small and medium sized businesses, because these deals make it impossible for them to compete. Deals like this are created for and by these huge global corporations to make more money and to phase out competition.

I cannot believe how you can support this, it's really a riddle to me.

Besides that, those deals will also overrule national laws regarding possible harmful ingredients in food which some countries do allow and some do not. It will all be negatively leveled down. If these deals all go through we are all eating bad quality food from the same huge corporations stuffed with chemicals. Hooray for cancer!

The problem is it's Trump saying the right thing and therefore all the anti-Trump brigade came out. Spurred on by the big corporate news agencies. Thommy just showed us how he likes jobs moved out of the first into the third world.

Paul Markham 07-30-2017 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21922423)
The United States has the world's largest trade deficit. It's been that way since 1975. The deficit in goods and services was $502 billion in 2016. It occurred because imports were $2.7 trillion and exports were only $2.2 trillion.

China -- $579 billion traded with a $347 billion deficit.
Canada -- $545 billion traded with a $11 billion deficit.
Mexico -- $525 billion traded with a $63 billion deficit.
Japan -- $196 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.
Germany -- $164 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit.
https://www.thebalance.com/trade-def...county-3306264

This countries which Trump not like ;)

But Thommy sees no link at all in the debt and people losing their jobs in the US.

Paul Markham 07-30-2017 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21922501)
Actually all jokes aside you probably got some roo meat, its used in dog and cat foods a lot, its not bad to eat either certainly more healthy for you than beef. Taste is more like a gamy venison.

And just in case you don't understand my post, under the TTP trade deal America was making more from Australia, than we were making from you, cancelling it as Trump did has a zero effect on Aus, because we just sell more of the same product to China. The long term effect is the American farmers and what ever selling their products to Australia got screwed, no more trade agreement with here. Trump has said he will renegotiate it at some time, I don't think its entered American heads, the deals have already been done with China.. there's nothing to trade with you now... Unless of course you want to pay more.. And don't forget the past TTP took 7 years to finalize. Trump fucked the USA over forever on that, China was waiting with cheque book in hand for it to happen.

Its not all doom and gloom, I fully expect China to have a huge social revolution at some time. Just understand its not the USA's call any more.. Its China's.

TTP was designed to make Pacific nations, dependant on the USA not China.

Australia will be selling as much as they can to China already. The idea they can step it up is silly.

Paul Markham 07-31-2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21922570)
I can live in any country and adapt.

We are already globalised, you are a perfect example of this. A British white nationalist uncomfortable with the browning of Britain you move to all white Czech, take jobs from locals and make your money online by exporting content. What you made was then stolen by Russians & Asians online, redistributed and put money in their pockets.

There's no going back now Paul adapt or die has proven very true in globalisation.

I moved to Czech, not my job. I brought jobs to Czech, not a British white nationalist. So you got all that wrong.

Paul Markham 07-31-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21922894)
Trump doesn't understand the very basics of how any of this works. He's told us this before - He is a salesman who needs to sell things and he sells things by making everything sound "huge" and "grand". He sold us on leaving the TTP because it "sounded good" but in truth he did a huge amount of damage. We now have no partnership with any of the Asian countries - and China was glad to step in and take our place.

I can't stand all of this winning.

He understands 100,000s of jobs leaving the US and going to the Third World means that the US loses tax revenue and increase government costs.

The new jobs created under Obama were mostly low paid who don't pay taxes.

Sarn 07-31-2017 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21923500)
But Thommy sees no link at all in the debt and people losing their jobs in the US.

Slavery in China and 3rd world and unemployment in West world = modern version of globalizations. Business from offshore of course make biggest profits from it and not pay taxes.

Rochard 07-31-2017 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21923002)
You're completely oblivious. Do you even know what TTP means for businesses, products and quality of food you eat every day, same as TTIP and CETA? You are totally 100% wrong about every single thing, it's baffling.

LOL. Sure.

Do I know what TPP means for business, products, and quality of food I eat every day? Yes.

Do you know what without TPP we are falling back on trade agreements that that are ten, fifteen, and twenty years old? How is that better than what we would have had with TTP?

thommy 07-31-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21923776)
Slavery in China and 3rd world and unemployment in West world = modern version of globalizations. Business from offshore of course make biggest profits from it and not pay taxes.

slavery in china ?

i donīt know if you know how china tourism is saving many countries asses right now.
these people are travelling like fuck and spending nmoney in other countries.
even greece tourism is profitable again.

and WHAT exactly IS in bounding tourism? yes it is EXPORT !!!!!

because trump does not understand more about world economy as paul and you do he will fuck this country.

i was reading a nice headline today in a german media:

A dilettante makes world politics

...there is nothing to add on that

Paul Markham 08-01-2017 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21923776)
Slavery in China and 3rd world and unemployment in West world = modern version of globalizations. Business from offshore of course make biggest profits from it and not pay taxes.

Wait until automation kicks in.


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