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BigFurry 08-23-2017 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21966473)
I'll be looking into MPA3, cause all i need is to track sales and have different tours. I'm using maybe 5% of what NATS have to offer, not needing anything else they have built in. And the cost could be cut but more than half.

From an affiliate perspective, MPA3 is useless compared to NATS, missing tons of features. But if you don't have affiliates, and don't use the advanced features anyway, it might work.

Konda 08-23-2017 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SendSeek_Brian (Post 21965581)
For existing clients

Tier 1 - $165
Tier 2 - $375
Tier 3 - $715
Tier 4 - $935
Tier 5 - $1300

Lets say that you are at the bottom of Tier 5 (just reached the tier), it's 5001 sales *NOT COUNTING* rebills. If the average sale is $20 (NOT COUNTING rebills) it's $100,020.00 in sales.

Do you consider $1300 instead of $1150 over $100,020.00 not counting rebills too much?


Actually if you do that many sales you would have a lot more than 1 Nats server and you have pay the license for each server.

I do agree it's not a lot of money but if you are in a dying business I don't think it's smart to increase prices.

Konda 08-23-2017 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jreg81 (Post 21965949)
When do paysite owners get to increase their base subscription prices? It's been $29.95 (give or take) for 10+ years now.

I think it's going the other way. More towards $19.95 and $9.95, see vixen.com (9.95/month) and fuckingawesome.com (free for 1 month then 9.95/month) for example

Customers these days are used to cheap prices because of Netflix, Spotify etc.

It takes longer to make the money, but in the long term you'll earn more with cheaper prices, you get more customers and they stay longer
(this only works if you keep producing high quality content and update regularly of course)

SendSeek_Brian 08-23-2017 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21966921)
Actually if you do that many sales you would have a lot more than 1 Nats server and you have pay the license for each server.

I do agree it's not a lot of money but if you are in a dying business I don't think it's smart to increase prices.

True if you balance the whole server but - from my experience - it's pointless.

About 80% of resources used by NATS is the database and you can balance the database on as many servers as you want without paying another license.

It's all about splitting services. I agree with you in case you want to balance the traffic on multiple servers.

adultchatpay 08-23-2017 01:56 AM

for new clients only?

Jel 08-23-2017 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21965499)
So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

yeah, a lot of my friends can't afford a house, fuck those house prices! greedy bastards!

I tell you what's even worse - a lot of people are struggling these days to buy a car.... just last week I was talking to a mate who saw a bmw he wanted, but couldn't afford it on what he earns. Turns out bmw have been raising their prices every year, so he either has to up his game to afford one, or go without. BMW = mercenaries :(

NATS = everything to do with what someone earns from their paysites. Drop fees to $1 a month, I say. That should stop paysites/programs going out of biz :1orglaugh

OldJeff 08-23-2017 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21966041)
just got to think outside the box, right?


http://i.imgur.com/sQRYJCW.png

:thumbsup

That's not 12clicks join page

OY 08-29-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 21966877)
From an affiliate perspective, MPA3 is useless compared to NATS, missing tons of features. But if you don't have affiliates, and don't use the advanced features anyway, it might work.

Curious to know what those missing features are? Please enlighten me.

BigFurry 08-31-2017 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OY (Post 21977075)
Curious to know what those missing features are? Please enlighten me.

I checked again, MPA3 doesn't miss as much as I remembered, sorry :)

But some things it does seem to miss:
- detailed member information on each transaction - member & transaction ID (for identification & keeping track of lifetime value in our own system), exact time (hour:minutes:seconds), full transaction history (the time of the first join and each rebill), country, biller, package/subscription type
- nested stats breakdowns - eg. I breakdown by site first, but then I want to break down only that single site by campaign
- affiliate S2S postbacks on transactions
- add manual bonus to affiliates - when some affiliate program had some issue, they were unable to add the extra money to the MPA3 affiliate account (NATS has this option, called manual invoice)

This could be just a sponsor I checked, but these didn't seem to work well there:
- breakdown by continent/country - showed Unknown for all clicks
- payment history - no payouts shown there, NATS also shows unstored/carried over sum

Lewis11 08-31-2017 12:32 PM

Very true

seeandsee 08-31-2017 12:41 PM

My story:

Never paid me for a ref.

The Porn Nerd 08-31-2017 02:25 PM

My story: they never paid me nuthin'.
Then again, they owed me zero so it's all good. :D

Nitzer Ebb 08-31-2017 03:21 PM

Use ccbill.

OY 09-05-2017 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 21979807)
I checked again, MPA3 doesn't miss as much as I remembered, sorry :)

But some things it does seem to miss:
- detailed member information on each transaction - member & transaction ID (for identification & keeping track of lifetime value in our own system), exact time (hour:minutes:seconds), full transaction history (the time of the first join and each rebill), country, biller, package/subscription type
- nested stats breakdowns - eg. I breakdown by site first, but then I want to break down only that single site by campaign
- affiliate S2S postbacks on transactions
- add manual bonus to affiliates - when some affiliate program had some issue, they were unable to add the extra money to the MPA3 affiliate account (NATS has this option, called manual invoice)

This could be just a sponsor I checked, but these didn't seem to work well there:
- breakdown by continent/country - showed Unknown for all clicks
- payment history - no payouts shown there, NATS also shows unstored/carried over sum

Pardon late reply. Let me break it down here:

"- detailed member information on each transaction - member & transaction ID (for identification & keeping track of lifetime value in our own system), exact time (hour:minutes:seconds), full transaction history (the time of the first join and each rebill), country, biller, package/subscription type"

Answer: Via admin, open "edit members" and view all transactions under the table "Transactions History"
In the latest version of MPA3 we save timestamp for all transactions, and you can easily extract date, hours, minutes, seconds. We keep country and ALL transaction history of the member with the transaction type. All of this is for ADMIN of the program. For Affiliates we show sales, clicks, etc.

"- nested stats breakdowns - eg. I breakdown by site first, but then I want to break down only that single site by campaign"

Answer: Yes, MPA3 does that.

"- affiliate S2S postbacks on transactions"

Answer: We do miss that in the general version of MPA3. Some clients have added it as a custom solution.

"- add manual bonus to affiliates - when some affiliate program had some issue, they were unable to add the extra money to the MPA3 affiliate account (NATS has this option, called manual invoice)"

Answer: Yes, this is in MPA3. Admin can decide to use it, or not.

"- breakdown by continent/country - showed Unknown for all clicks"

Answer: This option can be turned on/off by sponsor. I would request it, if being an affiliate. Of if sponsor, just turn it on.

"- payment history - no payouts shown there, NATS also shows unstored/carried over sum"

Answer: Not sure exactly what you mean with "unstored/carried - MPA3 does show already generated payouts to the affiliates.

:2 cents::thumbsup

BigFurry 09-05-2017 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OY (Post 21986164)
Pardon late reply. Let me break it down here:

"- detailed member information on each transaction - member & transaction ID (for identification & keeping track of lifetime value in our own system), exact time (hour:minutes:seconds), full transaction history (the time of the first join and each rebill), country, biller, package/subscription type"

Answer: Via admin, open "edit members" and view all transactions under the table "Transactions History"
In the latest version of MPA3 we save timestamp for all transactions, and you can easily extract date, hours, minutes, seconds. We keep country and ALL transaction history of the member with the transaction type. All of this is for ADMIN of the program. For Affiliates we show sales, clicks, etc.

As an affiliate this info is needed too - to properly track lifetime value of each individual join sent. It is displayed for affiliates in NATS.
Quote:

Originally Posted by OY (Post 21986164)
"- nested stats breakdowns - eg. I breakdown by site first, but then I want to break down only that single site by campaign"

Answer: Yes, MPA3 does that.

You are right. I just didnt realize it was a hover menu, I was looking for a button next to the row. :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by OY (Post 21986164)
"- payment history - no payouts shown there, NATS also shows unstored/carried over sum"

Answer: Not sure exactly what you mean with "unstored/carried - MPA3 does show already generated payouts to the affiliates.

I meant that it should also show how much money is held by the program, the "ungenerated"/unpaid amount. ;)
Something like
Unpaid amount: $99
Then you could expand it to get the details, eg.:
2017-07-01 - 2017-07-31 $43 under the minimum payout, carried over
2017-08-01 - 2017-08-31 $56 under the minimum payout, carried over

Regarding the rest, thanks for the info!

It seems like a lot of stuff is there, it's just the program owners not knowing / not using it properly. :(

Matyko 09-06-2017 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 21965811)
I prefer CCBill programs over Nats. At least I will get paid.

What are you talking about? :)
Maybe things like this? --> https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-question.html

nikki99 09-06-2017 10:24 AM

it sucks for me on tier 5

Miguel 09-06-2017 12:12 PM

One more catch: once you reached Tier 5 you will never get Tier 4 back,
Monthly rate could not be decreased depending on current sales...

OY 09-14-2017 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 21986178)
As an affiliate this info is needed too - to properly track lifetime value of each individual join sent. It is displayed for affiliates in NATS.

You are right. I just didnt realize it was a hover menu, I was looking for a button next to the row. :-)



I meant that it should also show how much money is held by the program, the "ungenerated"/unpaid amount. ;)
Something like
Unpaid amount: $99
Then you could expand it to get the details, eg.:
2017-07-01 - 2017-07-31 $43 under the minimum payout, carried over
2017-08-01 - 2017-08-31 $56 under the minimum payout, carried over

Regarding the rest, thanks for the info!

It seems like a lot of stuff is there, it's just the program owners not knowing / not using it properly. :(

Yes, that is correct - Unfortunately we cannot force program owners to use all the bells and whistles that are in MPA3. Some do, some don't.


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