So basically unless it aligns with what you think is the truth (or want to believe), its all propaganda?

No, not at all. I don't deny climate change.

I think you should ask your question to the alarmists who refuse to listen to anything contrary to what they think is the truth (or want to believe).

There are legitimate and distinguished scientists out there that question the current dogma and provide ample evidence but they are always shut out of the debate by the hysterics of the alarmists. You know there is a problem when it is socially unacceptable to go against the mob mentality even if you are an expert and can back up what you say.



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What comes around goes around

i really think that we all here have not enough skills to understand this whole issue - none of us have studied it or even have a deeper knowledge in this science. the only thing what i do is just a simple research to find out who get paid from whom.

as only 3% of scientiests of the whole world do not doubt the human made climate change and the most of this 3% are outed as being on the payroll of companies like exon or koch than I use simple logic to decide who i believe.

i will not even go so far to say that i can feel it (even when i think that winters in the past have been much colder) because i know that nobody can trust his own brain and memories.

but i can see that weather phenomenons are rising since 20-30 years extremely - when i see that the temperature of the oceans are already nearly 1 centigrade higher as in the last 100.000 years - when i see that islands are gone already and at least know enough about physics that I know what happens with the oxygen in salt water when it heats up, than i do not have another chance as to believe them.

look what alternatives do we have?

1. we can wait if it happens or not - but IF 97% of all scientists are correct there is no way to change that anymore.

or

2. we do something against it and when it will NOT happen BECAUSE we did something - all the deniers will stand up and say : see? nothing happend ! we told you?

i personally prefer number 2 because i better live with idiots as to die because of idiots.

it's disgusting these people are being fooled by the people they vote for

For example?

I have an idea. Pick a single item around Climate change, and post it here. Leave out any passion or politics and focus only on the item, and let's discuss it.

I think that one thing that happens all the time is that discussions tend to break out into multiple tangents all the time making points harder to focus on. So if we can, let's stick to a single item or group, and see if we can come to some kind of agreement, or correct the other's misinterpretation. Sound like fun?

I don't think it's because of the deniers, it's just global warming this time.

I don't really have time for this right now but I can check in occasionally when I do have time. For now, we could start with thommy's statement above:

How are you supposed to discuss the topic with anybody that seriously believes that? The 97% figure is a bogus claim based off of a bogus study and there is no proof of the supposed other 3% being on oil company payrolls.

Any debate is a non-starter for people like him because he has been force-fed the propaganda and he accepts it without question.



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Jesus travels to denile in Egypt riding a dinosaur, Really!

https://s1.postimg.org/2ktynhdxsv/jesusdinosaur.jpg

Just like those fake news charts!

https://skepticalscience.com/graphic..._consensus.jpg

https://skepticalscience.com/graphic..._Consensus.jpg

https://skepticalscience.com/images/poll_scientists.gif

so whatever if it is 97 or 96 or 95 or 90% - it is the far bigger majority and if you research a bit for the background of the deniers you will end up in most cases at the oil and coal lobby who finance them.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ying-lawmakers

Fitty degrees :Graucho

First, I don't want to have a debate. I want to have a discussion. However, you make a good point, for everyone. Before anyone can talk about the issue, every has to at least agree on some common ground. If I say that the atmosphere contains oxygen because NASA says so and someone else won't trust that statement because it came from Nasa, then the discussion is already dead in the water.

exactly, just a little odd to have this heat this time of year.

The Agenda Behind Global Warming Alarmism

https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...rming-alarmism