I have Sling here ( using VPN programmed router - DDWRT ) and like it sa lot. Quality is great .
Plus CBS on demand as well as quite a few free channel on Roku ( I have a US subscriction with Comshit in Florida ) .
All good as long as ... net neutrality remains .
Otherwise, throttling will take place .

So peer to peer cam services would appear to be the way forward ?

The MFC / Chaturbate model is the one that appears to be threatened.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-bigg...ality-meeting/

Good read about the bullshit pushed.

Informative read here,

Now what are the options to tackle this?

Need to wait for the first occurrence of censorship or when the ISP's try to curb competition?

It took that post... lol I figured it out 5 years ago..:1orglaugh

The option was to not vote Republicans into securing power of Congress and the WH at the same time.. You know the very republicans who have been trying to kill off net neutrality, sell our national parks, end medicare, social security and steal as much tax dollars as they can..

You know, that's what had to be done to stop this...

Did you not read the part where Comcast was blocking or slowing down bittorrent?

Peer to peer is not a safe space, it's one of the 1st areas they went after previously before they were forced to stop by the FCC...

There seems to be a lot of this going on.... People are using fake information to sway opinion. God only knows who is behind this.

Here we go again!. You and your fake nic shit.

So what we are really looking at is this regulation of 2015 was a way to stop big companies from doing bad things.

That makes sense.

My question would be though...you and a few others have said you don't have any competition in the way of ISP's to choose from.

I know for a fact that there were tons of them just a few years ago. Even in the small town I lived in in South Carolina ten years ago I had over a dozen choices. (And yes, I know that there is a small percentage of people who live in the mountains and other remote places who have no choice but slow satellite service...but I'm only talking about people who live in civilization lol)

Is it possible that the "Net Neutrality" regulation itself may have helped destroy those smaller companies?
I'm just asking.

If I had all of those choices in a tiny town of 10,000 people in shithole South Carolina...what happened to change that in the last few years for everyone?

SOMETHING must have knocked those small innovative companies out of business.

I'm just trying to see both sides of the issue. The media isn't reporting both sides (well, the business channels do...but they report an entirely different thing than what is being said here).

I am just like everyone else on here...I don't want to lose anything on the web. Nobody wants that. Hell I already pay $150 a month for my 1 gig up and down speed internet service. I certainly don't want to pay any more than that.

Anyway, I was just wondering about all of this. Like you said...it SEEMS like "everyone is against this". But I'm not sure that everyone has even gotten the proper information about it.

I know that I don't have what I feel is adequate info.
Seems like EVERY thing that happens these days is instantly politicized. And that makes it hard to get FACTS for all of us. We all end up reading OPINIONS that are political.

And no, I have no idea why in a sane world this would be a political thing. But in our country now...it is.

In some cases getting internet is difficult and there are few choices.

In my case, I surely could go and use a different company. I could choose from any of them; I live in the suburbs. However, I would be going from free Internet to paying $100 (or whatever it costs for Internet). So now that net neutrality is dead, my upstream ISP AT&T can block Skype. Skype is a requirement for my job, so it would cost me $1200 a year. However,

It's really easy to say "Well, move to a different Internet provider". That's a great idea, but I can move to another company and run into other problems - Perhaps Comcast has a policy that doesn't allow Netflix and Youtube because it uses too much bandwidth. Or perhaps another Internet provider won't allow me to work with the payment processor I use.

In other cases they do not have choices for Internet providers. I live in Lincoln, California, and while most of us live in the suburbs just outside of town is farm country. They don't have Internet or even cable television. All they have is "satellite Internet".

This isn't a political issue Robbie. Almost everyone is against this. Why would anyone remove protections for consumers while destroying any attempts at innovation? This is just a bad idea from the start.

I had... No idea people pay that much....

Brad explains it better than me, these companies are not on consumer or businesses side and there are not many options in some markets. Even here in Marina Del Rey - in Los Angeles I have only 1 option for internet service- Spectrum. There are NO other providers, if they decided to start charging me $500 for 100MBPS or more to access Pornhub or Chaturbate-- who am I to stop them>? The government won't now.

I live in a smallish town about 15 minutes from Portland. I have two choices for internet. I can get it through the cable company (which is what I have) or the phone company. Their prices and speeds are comparable. Last summer I caught my ISP throttling my service during prime time hours. I pay for 50mbs but from 7-10pm I would be lucky to get 5mbs. At first, they didn't believe me so I did a bunch of tests and found that it only slowed down during those hours. After several complaints, it suddenly stopped happening. When I talked to my neighbor about it, he was having the same issue, complained, and suddenly it was fixed for him as well.

As for what happens to those other companies, some of them get bought up. My local phone company was bought by Directlink a few years back and the cable company has changed hands a few times. Big companies are swallowing their smaller competition up. If a company wants to come into my town and offer internet service, they are going to have to go to the expense of laying the cable then they will have to offer better services or prices. It might be hard to find companies willing to do that.

If you want the best, you pay for the best.
I always have to have the fastest internet speeds (especially uploads). When I'm updating Claudia's site I'm putting up huge size files.

I already killed cable and just use Roku and apps... You wont miss it. I saved $80.00 a month and only spend like $25 on HBO, Netflix and Hulu. No taxes on Internet.

I know that back in the 1990's I had just gotten the brand "new" internet cable connection in the little town I was living in.
Before that it was 56K dial up. :(

So I was super happy to have 1 MB download speed! It was like a whole new world opened up. lol

But they told me then that as more and more people got it...it would slow down like any other network and they would have to add more switches to get it back up to speed.

Maybe that's what happened with your local provider? They might not have been "throttling" you...they may have simply not have enough to handle the amount of bandwidth happening at the peak hours. And then after enough complaints, they went ahead and spent money to upgrade and fix your problem.

That's my theory. :)

Why isn't there more competition? How on Earth did you end up with only ONE provider?
That is something you should be asking.

As I said earlier...even in dial up days you had dozens of choices. Now you find yourself living in one of the biggest cities in the U.S. and you only have ONE choice?

Something happened. And it didn't happen "now". Trump hasn't done anything until yesterday with the rollback of the regulation.

So SOMETHING with the govt. (under Pres. Obama) happened to kill all the competition.
I would think that people would be just a little bit curious about what happened.

When I first moved here I was a little bit worried about the "free Internet". You get what you pay for, and free is free and usually sucks. However, basically we have AT&T. I have no idea what the speeds are but I've never had an issue. I can be playing a video game, uploading a video, and watching Netflix while my kid is watching Netflix at the same time and never an issue.

But damn, $150 for Internet....

I have no proof of this, I am just basing it on what I observed and heard from some people. I'm confident that they "oversold" the network and there were too many people on it so it slowed down during peak usage hours. I think they throttled users during that time to keep it from going down. The reason I think it was throttled is because of how my tests went. Every day I did four speed tests with two of them being during those peak hours and two being during other times of the day. I found that at 6:45pm I would get 50mbs or very close to it. At 7:10pm I would be at around 5mbs and it would stay that way until 10pm then at 10:10pm it was back up to 50. I suppose it could have been a lack of hardware and a need for an upgrade, but it just seemed fishy to me that it always happened at the same exact time every day. Also, when I called to complain and suggested this was what was happening, the support person I was on the line with immediately transferred me to his supervisor who promised it wasn't happening. After a second complaint and me emailing them a list of the speed tests, suddenly it stopped happening.

Maybe it still was hardware and they were throttling while trying to upgrade, but I have my doubts.

Either way, since it was "fixed" it has worked fine and I haven't had those issues.

:thumbsup

Yeah, I run my business here. So watching netflix and playing games would be just fine on a "normal" internet connection.

But since I use my internet connection to make money and move giant files...I can't be slowed down. My connection is fiber optical line running into my office. I can't fuck around when it comes to making money.

I'll tell some of y'all like me who have large homes something too:
I have bought every expensive ass wifi router over the last 10 years. And they all worked well...but never could really get the job done.

But I just got the EERO 3 piece system. Wow!
Super fast speeds throughout both stories of my home AND in the "Casita" (guest house) out back by the swimming pool.

No loss of signal or speeds anywhere on the property. And it has to be the most simple thing to set up ever.
I got the "Pro Wifi" version. It's expensive...but worth every penny. https://eero.com/

Its now 100% legal for ISPs to block, throttle and paid prioritization on the internet. Not sure what more info you need. :Oh crap

Well, thanks to the man you voted for and would vote for again... They will be able to throttle your connection for whatever reason and you will have no protections at all.

There's actually a ton of factual information. The only "differing viewpoints" comes from talking heads on Fox and other conservative media who are either a) idiots or b) bought and paid for.

Title II classification protects consumers. Full stop. During it, the major ISPs faced constant litigation for fucking over consumers. Before it, they didn't. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen. :winkwink:

For Robbie this seems to be a political issue, and he is getting all of his news from one source - a political source. Namely Fox News. How anyone other than large corporations can support this is mind blowing.

It's just like the Jerusalem issue... While the Jerusalem thing is clearly political, there is just no upside to moving our embassy to Jerusalem. None - at all. The only reason to move the US embassy to Jerusalem is make Israel happy (which we clearly do not need to do) and in the process it's going to piss off the Palestinians, piss off everyone else in the middle east, and completely derail any peace process. I had no idea Congress voted on it in 1995 or that our President has to sign a waiver about this every six months, but still after all of the research I put in it's crystal clear that there is NO UPSIDE to this - which makes perfect sense being as Clinton, Bush, and Obama always signed the wavier.

Stop acting like a fucking asshole. You don't know SHIT about where or how I get my info.
I watch all the news channels.

And I got my "source" from the head of the FCC himself. Not you or Anderson Cooper or John Oliver or MSNBC or Sean Hannity or anyone else giving their OPINION.

And the reason I said these issues are politicized is BECAUSE these "reporters" and comedians ARE weighing in on it in a negative way and it seems to be going down a partisan line.

Instead of being a jerk to me, you should start READING what I write. I've never said I "support" any of this. I asked how this can be so bad if it will all just be the exact same way it was before 2 years ago.

Just because you don't question anything...well, that would explain how your mind works. Mine doesn't work that way.

I simply wanted to know both sides of the issue. Doesn't matter if YOU "support" anything anyway. Neither you nor I matter one bit to what will or won't happen.

As for voting for Trump. You're so blind to the world around you...I've been telling you that ever since you went on this hate-filled anti-Trump trip you've been on.
Wake up Rochard. The economy is BOOMING.

I know that CNN wants you to believe it was just "coincidence" that it suddenly went into high gear on the day Trump was elected (after your "fake news" sources had declared that if Trump were elected the economy would IMMEDIATELY crash...more lies).

But it's not coincidence. Just like when Brian Ross of ABC put out FAKE NEWS a couple of weeks ago that looked like Trump was in big trouble...the stock market IMMEDIATELY tumbled 350 points.
And then when it was revealed to be FAKE NEWS...the market not only IMMEDIATELY recovered but went even higher.

Maybe if you were not an employee...but a business owner yourself you might start paying attention to the economy and start understanding how it really works.

But that day is NEVER gonna happen because of your negative, hate-filled mindset.

I do read what you write. And it's painfully obvious that you have't been paying attention to net neutrality for the past year. You also came in with the attitude of "it will be the same way it was" without knowing what was really going on.

Net neutrality isn't a political issue. It's a technology issue. Don't you read anything other than political news?

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...91&oe=5AD7B013

Clueless libs :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:pimp

Under Obama, and before Net Neutrality, the internet was rainbows and unicorns. Under Trump, and after Net Neutrality, The internet will be Armageddon. Hey!. Maybe conversion rates will go back to pre Net Neutrality!

I SAID it should not be political. You don't fucking know how to read Rochard.

It IS being politicized. John Oliver just did a big rant about it. It's become "Democrat" to be against repealing the 2015 regulation. That is my point. You really don't have a clue about much of anything brother. I don't know why I keep doing this to myself.
Just forget it.

Keep on hating. Keep your blinders on. I can't be bothered with your nonsense. I keep foolishly thinking that you will somehow suddenly become enlightened. It ain't gonna happen. :(

2 freakin' years of a regulation...and the media and politicians are acting like it's the end of the world.
It's disgusting to me to see people willfully allow themselves to be this stupid.

And "No", I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing.
I'm just pointing out what SHOULD be obvious to people...it was a REGULATION THAT IS 2 YEARS OLD.

Most internet innovation happened PRIOR to that. Most wealth on the internet happened PRIOR to that.

I don't see where this reg did much one way or another. And I don't see how getting rid of it is suddenly going to take away people's fucking NetFlix.

And...apparently over the Obama administration's time...there is suddenly NO ISP competition after over 20 years of lots of competition in even small towns. And nobody seems to even wonder or have any curiosity how that happened.

Maybe if some people didn't spend all their time watching NetFlix and started kicking ass in real life....things would be better.

Dumb dumb fake nick... prior to Obama doing the nn law the ISP were trying to throttle and block content. Its the fucking entire reason Obama had to classify them as title ii..

Jesus you guys will shill for anything aslong as your team says rah rah...

You dont seem to have a clue about anything not global warming not net neutrality.. Just whatever you are spoon fed by right wong political hacks.. Your arguments are exactly what the talking heads spew..

Yet reality never seems to open your eyes..

For the fucking record, prior to Obama classifying the isp's as title 2, Comcast for one was 100% throttling websites inxluding Netflix. They kept pushing the boundaries to see what they could get away with..

You live in a bubble Robbie.. you always have.

This happened in 2014 Robbie... Netflix had to pay Comcast to stop throttling their service..

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/n...-end-slowdown/

Wake the fuck up from LaLa land and educate yourself about shit you decide to start claiming you know anything about...

He's a zombie lost cause :2 cents:

Sounds like Google.

I did not post this in this thread .... Damn, now we have FAKE POSTS ....
Why do you need to invent posts ?

Robbie, I have a friend who started 2 ISP's here locally targeted towards rural customers but using existing ISP's wires - of course, he paid them for utilizing their property but was only allowed to do so because of Net Neutrality. This was only possible because of Title II classification. Before that, in this area, there were 2 choices for 20 years. His kids were set for college (wherever they wanted to go) and he began investing heavily in real estate. He's ALREADY (after a couple days) facing litigation from those ISP's he was purchasing from after the repeal of those regulations. Now he'll probably go bankrupt and live on government handouts. My lawyer is representing him and told a few of us that this person has had to put a bunch of homes on the market just to be able to HOPEFULLY afford the legal costs brought upon him by 2 big ISP's.

Also because of Title II, 3 local towns (20k and smaller) with their own power companies installed fiber that is 1gbps down / up for $30 per month to every resident and business (and it paid for itself in year 1). All 3 of those towns saw a boom in new residents, new businesses and new construction.

I live in one of the most red counties in the country... :winkwink:

There are those of us who have been advocating for Net Neutrality for 15 years for a lot of these reasons - it helps innovation, helps create NEW businesses (not just protect OLD ones), and helps grow the economy in the 21st Century. With respect, it appears you only started paying attention when it became a hot political issue on cable news.