Someone above said it best. Net Neutrality isn't a political issue to those who understand it. It's a technology issue. You either advocate for what's best for technology and innovation or you advocate for protecting old businesses using outdated infrastructure while charging people abysmal rates at a huge markup for shoddy service.

Techies understand that it's a huge benefit. Non-techies and old people have no clue and do what their party elders tell them to.

Hey Look!. It's Bladewire's fake nic!

Respectfully...20 years ago would have been 1997 when cable first began rolling out fast internet.

That means your friend would have had dial up choices for ISP.
Earthlink, AOL, Mindspring, and dozens more.

I get what you are trying to say...but it wasn't for "20 years". Maybe he had only 2 choices for high-speed internet over the last 15 to 16 years?

I lived from 1998 to 2007 in tiny Greer, S.C. and I was in the online adult biz since 1996.

We were paying $1,200 a month for a T-1 line at our office in 1999 and were so happy to be able to get 1.5MB up and down.
Your friend COULD have done that as well. SDSL hit a few months later in our little town...we snapped that up and started getting 7MB up and down and thought we were in heaven! (with AL4A and AMPLAND as well as several paysites we owned back in those days we needed all the speed we could get)

Anyway, here are the actual numbers of people who don't have HIGH SPEED choices in the U.S.:
"More than 10.6 million US households have no access to wired Internet service with download speeds of at least 25Mbps, and an additional 46.1 million households live in areas with just one provider offering those speeds, a new analysis has found. That adds up to more than 56 million households lacking any high-speed broadband choice over wired connections. Even when counting access to fixed wireless connections, there are still nearly 50 million households with one 25Mbps provider or none at all."

Note that 25Mbps is the bar that this report is setting for "high speed broadband".
I'm guessing a lot of those people are in remote areas and have to use satellite.
I'm also going to say that 25Mbps is still pretty damn fast. I'm guessing faster than Rochard's free service that he uses.
When I check into hotel rooms they are capped at anywhere from 3 to 10 Mbps download.
So that would mean that hotels don't have "high-speed" broadband either. lol

Anyway...the reality is...the vast majority of places in the U.S. have had multiple ISP choices for broadband internet since at LEAST the mid 2000's.

Most people just use their cable company and "bundle" it with their t.v.

Which ALWAYS means that you can cut cable and go to Direct TV or DISH TV and use their slightly slower internet
DISH, for instance is 12 MB Not too bad.

So anyone on here claiming that anyone in the country only has ONE choice is just wrong. They ALWAYS have DISH, Direct TV, and even using their 4G connection with their phone as a "hotspot" (which is what I do at hotels). And in any area of the country that is not remote...that means they have cable, 2 satellite choices, and smart phone wifi choices at the bare minimum.

It was in response to Robbie's post. I don't know how your name came up when I pressed his Quote button. Sorry. :error

Ok, probably already the effects of net neutrality being gone ....

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Good one!

Time Warner owns CNN. Comcast owns MSNBC. I can't wait until the 2020 election when the same people who support the repeal are bitching because Brietbart or Fox News is slow and the "liberals control the internet now"

(of course, they'll be too stupid to realize the slowness is probably just a coincidence at the time, but they'll still think CNN and MSNBC sabotaged their shit)

Who are all the people who "support" the repeal?
Don't mistake asking questions and pointing things out to people who seem hysterical... to be "support".

As for Fox News suddenly being throttled...why wasn't that happening 2 years ago or all the years before that?

So far I have seen 2 instances that people brought up in this thread of companies trying to leverage internet speed prior to 2 years ago.

In both cases...existing laws and competition took care of it.

That's not me "supporting" anything...that's just me pointing out what Al Gore might call an Uncomfortable Truth.

I AM of the opinion that we have too many laws on the books already.
And this wasn't even a law...it was a regulation imposed by unelected bureaucrats.

If the govt. wants to take control of the web...then CONGRESS should have the balls to do it.

Allowing unelected deep state bureaucrats to rule over us is a cheap way for Congress to avoid making decisions that might cost them votes.
AND it takes away OUR power as voters to vote people in or out based on these decisions.

You are so stupid Robbie and I honestly mean this in the kindest way possible.

So does anybody have a prediction if this will fuck over cam sites and the thousands of performers who work on them?

I predict that it won't.
Cam sites were doing just fine and making a fortune for years and years before "Net Neutrality". Nothing changed when it was made a regulation two years ago...I don't believe anything will change for them now.

There are Trump fanboys who support this. I was actually thinking of people I know personally more than those in this thread.

As far as two years ago, that isn't true. The entire debate started mid 2000s because Comcast tried to throttle p2p sites. Comcast and TW have been battling the FCC over this issue until 2015 when it was finally settled - until now. However, up until that point, communication companies have actually tried to throttle or block during the windows of appeal, etc.

The FCC has maintained it wanted to keep a "free" internet for decades. ISPs always had them as their enemy whenever they tried. Now that they have their puppet leading the fcc, they will be able to do what they want without fear.

Regarding my examples, I was only half kidding. I doubt comcast would be that brazen to do something like that so soon after the ruling, but you know as soon as a right wing site goes does, Alex Jones is going to be blaming the liberals at Comcast.

I think someone is always gonna try to pull a fast one.
And perhaps this regulation was a good thought.
But, agencies have too much power.
Congress needs to stop dodging things (which they have done for over 50 years) and cut out these "regulations" and start making real law.
They are supposed to be our representatives.

You make a good point.

A better comeback would have been: It takes one to know one :)

LOL. Standard Republican platform line right there.

Robbie will ignore your facts and try to divert your post to something irrelevant, this is his modus operandi. Distract, Deflect. Deflate, Divert.

Robbie will sink with the ship, as any cuck does, to his own demise.

So you don't believe in Democracy? You don't believe that Congress is supposed to make law and answer to us...the people?
You are a real piece of work.

This is just insane.

Listen to yourself. Yes, Congress answers to us, the people. But there was no vote by the people to kill Net Neutrality. There was no vote by Congress to kill Net Neutraility. The FCC, run by an official appointed by Trump, made this decision without a vote by the people, and without a vote by Congress. Nearly everyone is against this, but they did it anyhow.

It's just like the Jerusalem decision all over again. Everyone is against Trump's decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. NO ONE is for this. Today the UN voted on a resolution against this and the only country to vote against the resolution was the United States.

This is just insane. Our president has a choice between the right decision and the wrong decision, and every time he makes the wrong decision.

The best part is that you blindly believe in everything Trump does without question. You brag about how big your connection is, but don't come crying to us when you Netlix spends thirty seconds to buffer because Netflix refuses to pay your ISP it's blackmail fee.

I love Robbie but his politics is just plain stupidity :1orglaugh

I too like Robbie. We usually run into each other at Internext every year and we usually have a brief chat.

He is quick to accuse others of not researching an issue, when it seems rather obvious he doesn't know anything other than standard Fox News bullet points. He has plainly told us he voted for Trump and would vote for him again. He only sees the Fox News viewpoint.

Your statement is moronic.

Pres. Obama stuck the govt. nose into the internet in 2015. Until then there was no falsely named "Net Neutrality".

Then he had the FCC REGULATE the internet. Do you understand that? Can it somehow get through that hatred you have for Trump to understand?

Trump REMOVED the FCC regulation.

None of us ever voted for that regulation. Do you understand Einstein?

CONGRESS is constitutionally supposed to create law. Federal agencies are supposed to ENFORCE those laws.
But a few decades ago, Congress figured out that they didn't have to worry about voters getting pissed at them when they pull shady shit with laws. So they basically allowed Federal Agencys to go into overdrive with REGULATIONS so that they could avoid doing their job.

And these agencies have stopped enforcing law (because there is none)...and started enforcing REGULATIONS.

Are you beginning to comprehend this yet Rochard????

People and businesses are being punished by AGENCYS with REGULATIONS. That is un-American and not the way it is supposed to be.

We VOTE for Congress to represent us. Congress is the LEGISLATIVE branch of govt. It is their job to make LAWS. Agencys are under the EXECUTIVE branch. Their job is to ENFORCE the LAWS that CONGRESS creates.

You act like you want the govt. to do everything for you. Well, then you need to vote for Congressmen to make LAWS that do that.

Regulations are what killed our economy.

You always ignorantly scream "What has Trump done?"

And I have patiently tried to tell you that he is doing what we voted for him to do. And one of the MAIN campaign PROMISES he made was to get rid of unnecessary regulations.

THAT is why the economy is booming. THAT is why the country is turning around.

Trump has killed a shit load of regulations.

Do Democrats like that?
Hell no! They are the party of "big government".

Anyway...since you never bothered to pay attention in civics class in school....now you understand about the difference between LAW (made by OUR elected officials) and REGULATIONS (made by un-elected bureaucrats who don't answer to the people).

Love Trump or hate him...you should at the very LEAST have enough fucking common sense to understand that having un-elected bureaucrats enacting regulations and punishing people is NOT American.

You need to go back to high school and get some education. Don't even think about college...you have way too much to catch up on.

^^^ Off his meds again :2 cents:

When exactly did our economy "die"? I've been doing killer business going on nine years now. But our economy is doing great NOW? Oh wow man.

The country is turning around? How and where, to look at its' own ass in the mirror? LOL

Robbie is proving that most Americans live in a bubble of their own creation where they let in certain information and disregard everything else. With technology making isolation easier (and more desirable) this "bubble-ization" of America and its' citizens will continue unabated. IS the economy "better" now or "better" under Obama? Who can tell since everything is "fake news"? There are no referees that both sides have agreed to trust so it's virtually impossible to believe anyone about anything regardless of how sincere and well-meaning they may be.

I suspect this is how the scoundrels running things want it. Makes it MUCH easier for them to get away with shit.

We don't vote on regulations.

There is a reason for this. This is because Congress doesn't understand the very basics of what is being discussed. I remember watching CSPAN one time and the Congressman from Alaska (who was in charge of Technology Committee of Congress) called it "that email thingy". The very man in charge the Technology Committee in Congress doesn't know what email was. Can you imagine the EPA or the FCC coming down to Congress to try to explain why they need a regulation passed?

Name one person being punished by any of these regulations?

Holy crap.

What killed our economy was the direct opposite - a complete lack of regulations and oversight of the mortgage industry. The mortgage industry set it up so that they couldn't lose.

And what exactly has he done?

Did he build a wall? Nope.
Did he make our borders safer? Nope.
Did he make our military stronger?
Did he fix the broken VA system? Nope.
Replace Obamacare? Nope.
Halt Muslims from entering the US? Nope.
Move the Embassy in Israel? Nope.
Improve relations with Russia? Nope. (seriously lol on that one)
Renegotiate NAFTA? Nope.
Renegotiate the Iran deal? Nope.
Bring back torture? Nope.
Get rid of common core? Nope.
Create a Muslim register? Nope.
Build up Gitmo? Nope.
Rebuild America's infrastructure? Nope.
Bring back jobs from overseas? Nope.

These were all promises he made. Not one of them have been kept. One year in, and he has accomplished nothing.

I'll give you one Robbie. He withdrew from the TPP. Fucking magical. He just handed everything over to China.

The economy is booming because the last president fixed it. Unemployment went from over 10% to 4% under Obama, not Trump. When Trump took office, unemployment was on a seventy-two month downward trend. Trump didn't do anything to fix the economy, the prior eight years did that.

This is where your narrow focus comes into mind. Fox News has been telling you the economy was horrible, and suddenly Trump came in and magic - without doing a damn thing it's fixed.

Here is unemployment for the past ten years, directly from our government:

https://data.bls.gov/generated_files...d_M11_data.gif

Clearly Trump is our savior.

I have two college degrees.

This is exactly it - all of the Republicans watch Fox News. They bitch about the "main stream media" while the truth is Fox News is complete Propaganda.

Republicans kept talking about how bad our economy was under Obama while our unemployment was dropping, cut in half under Obama. But suddenly everything is "great". What has Trump done to make it great?

Everything this man does is horrible. Today we had the train derailment. Trump gave his speech today about infrastructure, and pointed to this accident as part of our "crumbling infrastructure". This wasn't part of our "crumbling infrastructure" but instead the train was on tracks that had been rebuilt at a cost of $181 million and this was the very first trip. The man actually has no idea what he is talking about - none at all.

You live in your own bubble.

Over 5 TRILLION dollars in wealth has been created since the election took place.
Your idea of "killer business" is relative at best. You are a tiny dwarf business-wise...and to you it might seem "killer"...but it's not.
The economy "died" when the housing market collapsed in 2008 in case you didn't notice.

2009 was touted by Pres. Obama as "the summer of recovery". Never happened.

You haven't got a clue Porn Nerd.

You are so low-information that it's pathetic.

YOU have constantly made an ass out of yourself on here with your pronouncements. I'm not even sure WHY you keep doing it to yourself.

Aren't you the genius who proclaimed that you didn't know or care who Woodward & Bernstein are?
And aren't you the genius who decided the economy was great because no more houses on your street were in foreclosure???

I am talking raw numbers from the business news. Not the garbage pile of "mistakes" that you watch on CNN, or anecdotal horseshit from your tiny point of view in your neighborhood.

Rochard, you are so uninformed and clueless. I don't even know why I do this to myself.

You win. I can't waste any more time hoping you will open your eyes. You never will.
Enjoy the robust economy. It's about to jump even further with tax cuts.

For the past 8 years Obama never had a full year of even THREE PERCENT growth. And "liberal" economists declared that 3% was now impossible and 2% was the "new norm".

Well...the Washington Post is no fan of Trump. They have undermined him at every turn.
But here you go:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fe477f2a8b0f

READ AND LEARN. Stop being a follower all your life and take charge. The economy is booming right now.
Start your own business Rochard.

At least Porn Nerd had the balls to do that. I have to respect him for that.

But you on here making "matter-of-fact" proclamations about things when you don't know shit about shit...I can't respect that.

^^ "But mainstream news is the only real news!"

Meanwhile, Hannity and Tucker Carlson have the 2 top-rated cable news shows.

Drudge Report is the world's #1 news site.

"But but but CNN just makes honest mistakes!" LOL!!!!!

:1orglaugh

Someone who claims a recovery from the worst economic crisis since the depression never happened isn't worth the time to discuss anything with.