| crockett |
12-19-2017 01:14 PM |
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Originally Posted by Rochard
(Post 22124517)
I disagree. There is always a power vacuum at the end of a war. However, this was vastly different than Germany or Japan after WWII.
First, there is a new way fighting wars. We are "too nice". At the close of WWII the governments, military, and general population of Germany and Japan were just utterly exhausted. They had five or six years of unrestricted warfare that brought everyone to their knees. This never happened with Iraq - it was over too quick, and they just picked up their pieces and went back to what they doing as if nothing ever happened.
Second, for political reasons, we didn't want to occupy Iraq. Look at how we treated Germany and Japan for decades. To this day the United States still has large military bases and both countries. And we will for decades to come.
War is a final option, and it needs to be brutal. Not only do you need to destroy the will of the government and the military to continue the fight, but you also have to break the will of the people. The people themselves have to say "Holy shit, I am going through that again and I will spend the rest of my life ensuring it doesn't happen again". We don't that have now. Instead of rising up from the ashes and discovering every last person in their family is dead, they just brush themselves off and are back in business in three days.
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You making the same mistake Bush made and thinking the middle east is comparable to world war 2.
We are not fighting govts there, we are fighting relgious ideology that goes back thousands of years. We are not going to bomb them into submission.. Has that worked for Iseral with the Palestinians? Iseral, literally bulldozes these peoples homes to build walls and these people havent given up..They still fight back..
If the shoe was on the other foot and Muslims had invaded the West and overthrown our govts and patrolled our streets with their armies do you think westerners would give up a d not fight back and live in submission?
We are dealing with two very different ideologies betwen tne west and middle east. As long as each are left to do their own thing we can live side by side with little conflict. The problem is when one side starts interfearing with the other...
This history goes back to bibical times and fighting of the crusades.. Our invasion of Iraq was looked at as yet another crusade by the west to the extreme Islamist and they were able to use that as a recruiting tool.
The iraq war is the dirrect result in what has happened with the golbal jihad we now face. That war along with Afghan war allowed then to provoke goat herders into a gobal jihadist which had very little world wide support prior to us bombing their holy lands..
Bush Sr then Bush hr had a hard on for oil in Iraq and now the world deals with their mistake of poking sticks in the bees nest. Russia made the same mistake in the 80s and it bankrupted them. |
