Thank you Stormy Daniels!

Guess I am a VIP for Google :1orglaugh

Anyone would like to discuss last algorithm changes?

I would like to brainstorm on what can be done to reverse the trend/bring positions/traffic back. (for those who got hit by last update).

Also, would be very greatful for examples of pages which got boosted in rankings - especially from dating/adult dating niche.

Add me on skype - future2rob

Btw. - if there is any SEO/Growth hacker willing to help (for money ofc) to increase organic traffic of adult dating sites (several countries) - pm me.

I did a lot of comparisons of my sites and blogs with the ones that gained traffic and every single of my indications lead to a very simple dilemma:

1. backlinks were "recalculated"
or
2. random reshuffle, as funny as it sounds




My case study #1 - two of my own blogs (same theme, different unique pics, different unique text, same post structure)

Blog A - used to be top traffic one in my network
average session: 01:55
average ctr from google: 18%
300+ posts (pic + short text)
----> DROP to roughly 10% of previous traffic

Blog B - used to be one of the smallest ones (traffic and post wise)
average session: 01:12
average ctr from google: 12%
100ish posts (pic + short text)
----> RISE to 700% of previous traffic

BACKLINKS are practically identical, no strong ones on either - this one I attribute to RANDOM AS FUCK




My case study #2 - My paysite vs competitor

both sites:
- fueled by same script
- both with roughly 15 000 videos
- same niche

competitor
- stole my "preview mode" site idea and even chunks of my html for it
- site half broken (literally, it's a hard script to template for :))
- 10 sec video previews
- enGrish text (very lousy writing skills, bad english)
- very low amount of text overall (titles + video descriptions)
- no gallery section
- 10y old site

my site
- 15 sec video previews, HD
- 100% unique handwritten text, flawless english, for every video, 5x more than competitor
- 100% mobile friendly and fully responsive
- free galleries section (hundreds of full galleries, fully free and surfer accessible)
- 6y old site

RESULT OF LATEST UPDATE
me: google traffic down 80%
competitor: google traffic up around 500%

Conclusion:
Only thing that competitor beats me at is site age and somewhat (potentially) stronger backlink structure.
Therefore I can only attribute this to BACKLINK recalc kind of shit.




Small addition - after March 7 core update - ALL of my sites were growing heavily
March 14th, so called "google tremor" was like someone turned off the light, literally - almost all sites in my network dropped instantly (currently, I get more bing and baidu than google traffic, that speaks volumes)






WORTH MENTIONING:
I've already written here that my sites are constantly targeted by site scrapers and site cloners. Considering the lack of information from google on that matter, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine how badly and how much it affects the site, since it turns the (text) content into duplicate content. I wouldn't be surprised if google considers my sites spammy because of it, but no real way to prove or recover from that.

Did some writing about it on a mini blog last year, if anyone is interested - Site Cloning And Google Issues – Google rank and traffic dropping? Is your site cloned?

there is no way to draw such conclusions without proper tools and knowledge. There are multiple factors involved that you simply can't see just like that.

Have you compared quality of SEO work for each keyword that you are comparing with the competition?

Things are simple. Traffic depends on two factors.
1. On Site SEO
2. Backlinks to that SEOed page (what results in domain authority).

Every single keyword you are competing had to be approached this way. (check top ranked competitors and then measure those factors).

On-site SEO is way better on my site, guaranteed (hit me up on icq if you want, I'll show you the links to both sites I compared).

Regarding backlinks and seoed page stuff - neither me nor the competitor have a high volume keyword. We both get traffic from multiple long tail keywords (shitloads of those).

I didn't lose traffic because I lost rank for "sex videos" or whatever big keywords. I lost traffic because ALL of my small keywords vanished in a minute. Competitor on the other hand had an opposite effect, his small keywords gained positions like crazy.

Like I said, you're welcome to hit me up if you're curious :)

I'm experiencing exactly the same, it literally looks like someone pulled the plug. Now I have paltry traffic compared to previous levels, and this update has negatively affected all my blogs. It's fun that sites that don't have any content now qualify so much better than mine ones.

Not sure if the clones may be the cause, but I also have a problem with that.

when checking my sites , the ones that i actually worked on and gave a fuck about building unq txt contents, updates, and general link building to are the only ones that gained substantial SE ranks. i'm talking 2x - 5x gained SE traffic to those since 3-5 days ago

this seems too huge of a algo dance for anything to stick for too long unfortunately, imo

New wave this night, lost again 70 %...

I really do not understand what's happening since one week ...

What kind of site do you have ?

Cam agregator with unique content (on profiles and categories) / UX focused / https / "clean"backlink strategy, very fast loading ...

I don't know why but I'm seeing positive fluctuations in the last few hours. I'm not sure what they're doing again but I think there's a new update coming. I hope it'll be in the right direction.

God damn, I've just written a detailed description of a situation and a browser crashed. Anyway, will try to be short now:

From what I am seeing and investigating here on multiple samples, everything is just fine and like it should be from the perspective of people that followed SEO and quality rules.

This business can be done in different ways. Every webmaster I've worked with before or that was my client, had a different approach to business. That is just fine as long as you are earning. But what is in common for most of them that they are pretty clueless about SEO stuff. Some of the big and successful sites will fit this category, believe it or not.

Google is not that smart as many people think. This is why they are upgrading algorithms constantly, fixing errors. So many people rely on luck and they are not aware of that. As jcsott mentioned above, sites that were treated properly (onsite SEO, backlinks, relevant articles, etc) gained traffic. There are simple rules for making a quality site and I hope that this update helped people who invested time in effort doing it by the book. I am one of those.

I know webmasters are buying links or doing various black hat stuff and I think that is fine too. When it comes to SEO, the only conclusion I have from samples examined is that Google favorized quality sites (that were down before, without a noticeable reason)

What I am about (probably) to do now is to pull out ( actually I already did) keywords from google webmaster tools, compare with their previous rankings and pick those that entered SERPS but were not SEOed. Then I will improve those pages and get higher ranking for them. This is a slow and painful process but that's the game. I was doing this kind of updates for many months and now I am getting results. Still, I will totally ignore this update and resume work by the rules that are clean and available to everyone. Problem is that most of webmasters don't believe in SEO, thinking it is some scam, cheat or something like that. I've seen that so many times, even from the close colleagues even when faced with data and results.

If you have some question that you don't want to post in public, go ahead, use contact info from my sig. More examined sites, more reliable will be the conclusions.

I'm definitely interested in what you wrote. I admit I don't really know what I'm doing, so I'm going to write you an e-mail.

as we talked on ICQ, and as much as I'd like to agree and I do indeed see your point..

all the ON-SITE SEO stuff we discussed (title tags, image optimization, headings, texts.. )
and everything else that I didn't mention - I have it, to a degree (could it be better? well, yeah, always).. howeveeeeeeeer:

if THAT is really the cause of (my) downfall for 1000 or so low volume keywords, then it feels like those on site elements became valid only a week ago on march 14th - and we both know that is NOT the case, since all of it is the basis of SEO since ages

that being said, I'm still fairly sure it is purely backlink related - on a domain level
and that on-site seo is given even less weight in the overall equation

Look at my E-Penis.

1 site. 9x increase.
http://i65.tinypic.com/10fb9fl.png

To good to be true. Enjoying it while it lasts.
Have to say however that I was having similar numbers years ago before google started dancing around a lot.

Your e-penis is nicely curved and definitely one of the biggest erections I've seen as result from latest google update.

Hey...let me put it this way. Imagine a scale from zero up to 100 presenting SEO quality. Every page has its own SEO quality that can be shown with a precisely defined number. Pages I've checked for you had a score around 37 or so what is low on the scale and can't compete with the guys having a score near or over 90 (I've given you their names, don't want to post your data here in public). Your score is a pure luck and basically, every page has some score. It is very precise and exact how it is calculated and it is up to the webmaster to follow those rules and get a high score if he wants to compete. If I remember good, few pages I've checked didn't have a keyword at all. If you put a - between keywords, it is not the desired keyword that you want to target(like it should be without - ). Those words are there but this is not a proper format.

Simply speaking, there are two important factors for ranking. First one is on page optimization that we checked and backlink profile. (of course, both of them have own rules and regulations). The first thing you should do is to optimize a page properly and then fight for the backlinks. I 've tested this and it works perfectly and as you mentioned, it is nothing new. Still, it should be done and it takes time to get the results.

On the top of that, the factor is that competition is not sleeping and you can clearely see that for each keyword you are checking (or wanting to rank for). Some are less and some are more competitive. So, link building is always a huge factor, probably the most important one but there is no way to fight for ranking with non-existing on page SEO.


As mentioned backlinks are always a factor but there are other things that you simply can't see just like that. For example, words used on a page. You can't write about cars if you are promoting ice creams. I mean, you can. And you can even make the longest page ever that looks good where driver is eating ice cream. But if other guy promoting ice creams come with a page mentioning things like ice cream history, types of ice cream links to more ice cream, ice cream recipes, ice cream top list,etc....google will give him an advantage over your site. This is something you can't see without proper analysis. This is also something I am doing for each of pages I am optimizing and that works.

As far as I know, you don't have any of mentioned things so you can't blame backlinks if the latest update is about quality.

So to answer to your question how onsite SEO became factor suddenly. It is not, there are tons of other things that you can't see that is Google taking into the consideration. But one is for sure, if you are going against the rules, don't expect to rely on luck and lack of competition forever. It took me years to learn that.

I'm not saying that on-site seo is not important.
All I'm saying is that this update didn't primarily target that at all.

All drastically growing sites I looked at in this update appear to be growing simply because of backlinks recalculation, or something invisible that was previously ignored (and on-site seo was NOT previously ignored).

So basically, if I may, with all your knowledge and experience (thank you for all that), neither you nor anyone else has any fucking idea what the fuck Google is fucking doing. Yes? LOL

If something sucks on my sites, it is the link profile. It is totally neglected, for years. I hate link building and I am perfectly aware that is a huge mistake. In the last period, I've obtained an insignificant number of low-quality backlinks. Nothing special, I've simply created a page where people in my niche can submit and give link back in exchange.

That is a max, 15 links, on their links page (Personal dominatrix pages) and those are sites with terrible Alexa rank, almost no traffic.

You should take this back fella :1orglaugh

Got a Spike on THAT specific site yesterday 10- 20% or so and Today all will look like it will be another 20 - 30% increase again :2 cents:
Traffic seems to want to go up again :pimp , I know is only few days but i will enjoy it if this is happening.

Just to confirm - I'm seeing massive increase in traffic today. Things now seem dramatically better.:thumbsup

Same here, google is definitely reshuffling again.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh ...

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Just noticed some of our sites disappeard 3 or 4 years in the SERP now got ranked again:1orglaugh

That is BIG G! Make most of us like this girl:)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/26...g?v=1514860004

Mine all dropped for a few days and then got slammed with traffic yesterday. I knew panicking was the wrong idea. :)

anddddd its gone!

all that Google boost has disappeared. was super fun while it lasted :)

Looks like we got the opposite situation. Were your sites doing ok before this? And then a big spike?

Mine did well and then dropped, then did way better. Hmmm. This doesn't make sense.

Good for you that's great news I'm happy for you man :thumbsup

Same here, traffic went up for a few days, now it's dropped.

2 days ago dropped as well, today raises again and it's record number now. Tho, i did some optimizations on site so maybe that played a role. So, today SE traffic on my main site - 569.

For years my sites were doing great, growing in Google.. until few years ago an update almost killed it. But still doing decent.

Until last week, some Google mixup gave almost all my WP-only sites full love back, almost back to the years ago status.... for a week... It took a few days to get up, and took a few days to die back down til now.

... now is almost exactly the same as before last week :disgust for the 100th time... fuck you Google and your teasing sweet lil ass

Well at least it's not all gone, but that's a tease and that absolutely sucks. :Oh crap

So where I'm showing an increase of traffic, you show a decrease and where I'm showing a decrease your traffic has increased? Was your traffic flux as dramatic as the graph bellow? Also you recovered?

https://i.imgur.com/myvZuV7.png

This is how most of my sites behaved during the update, still flying high (after being on rock bottom for a week+).

Look at MY E-Penis:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2e0ldsj.jpg

Thank you for sharing this data. It looks like we're on opposite cycles of the tremors caused by this update. I'm not convinced that this is over and I'm hoping it settle somewhere in between. Perhaps another week of updates being rolled out and tweaked.

If anyone else wants to share some data it would be helpful.

i really think this time it is a technical issue because google stopped the autopings from wordpress and other ping services what seems to make some strange stuff.

I see at the moment sites in google that never existed with www.ww2.domainname and such nonsense.

this is definitely not the end yet - they are changing too much at the same time.
also mobile index seems to be now finally number 1 index.

i am pretty sure that we will still see a lot of ups and downs in the next days and weeks.

I'm getting very high results this weekend. I would say abnormally good results.

https://s9.postimg.org/gi12updi7/result.jpg

Just to add-this is low quality traffic because I see no growth in sales.

That is curse of these times, i think you would need like 10000 se hits growth to see some difference. It's possible how most of these users are used to get tubes and free content so they will automaticly close when they load anything else.

Same here.. but I won't celebrate untill some time has passed and I know it will stay like that..

You know what they say when something is too good to be true..

Yep, I agree completely. This won't last for too long.

https://gfy.com/webmaster-q-and-fuck...ult-serps.html
Also see this thread for more useful discuss:)

I think this update has something to do with backlink profile, backlink recalculation of some sort.
all my sites went up 200%-400%.
I been always white hat guy.

fyi, now my Google ranks are back , and higher than ever before! WTF is going on

Mar 23 it vanished, and Mar 25 is higher than ever. My Analytics graph is looking funnnnnky!

Very interesting stuff

https://i.imgur.com/jJU63e1.png

this is the total stats from a network with around 100 tube sites (that get 100,000s daily visitors from Google)

you can clearly see the changes, and they affected almost every site on the whole network

at the big increase on the 15th a handful went down, and all those that went down on the 15th when everything went up went up on the 23rd when the others went down

more or less the same here but i think it´s not over - actually i see sites in the rankings what really should not be there. others that came up before are gone again and results are still changing every hour.

i think this update will not be stable that soon.

did you also realize the big difference in searches from pictures and videos ?

great news