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MaDalton 03-19-2018 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22239917)
How many Presidents promised that? Then went on to put it up.

None of them but Trump. Because it would be insanity to claim that this would be possible.

But Trump did, some retards on here even defended his claim, now the debt is on the the way to new records highs instead and the same retards have no problem with that.

Fascinating.

BaldBastard 03-19-2018 05:02 AM

FY2003 Supplemental: Operation Iraqi Freedom: Passed April 2003; Total $78.5 billion, $54.4 billion Iraq War

FY2004 Supplemental: Iraq and Afghanistan Ongoing Operations/Reconstruction: Passed November 2003; Total $87.5 billion, $70.6 billion Iraq War

FY2004 DoD Budget Amendment: $25 billion Emergency Reserve Fund (Iraq Freedom Fund): Passed July 2004, Total $25 billion, $21.5 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2005 Emergency Supplemental: Operations in the War on Terror; Activities in Afghanistan; Tsunami Relief: Passed April 2005, Total $82 billion, $58 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2006 Department of Defense appropriations: Total $50 billion, $40 billion (estimated) Iraq War.

FY2006 Emergency Supplemental: Operations Global War on Terror; Activities in Iraq & Afghanistan: Passed February 2006, Total $72.4 billion, $60 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2007 Department of Defense appropriations: $70 billion(estimated) for Iraq War-related costs

FY2007 Emergency Supplemental (proposed) $100 billion

FY2008 Bush administration has proposed around $190 billion for the Iraq War and Afghanistan

FY2009 Obama administration has proposed around $130 billion in additional funding for the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

FY2010 Obama administration proposes around $159.3 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.
The most recent CBO report, which was conducted after the end of combat operations and hence did not have to estimate future costs, was released in December 2014. It placed the cost of the war operations in Iraq as of January 1, 2014, at $815 billion out of the total $1.6 trillion approved by Congress since September 2001.

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And then... there was the global recession.

pimpmaster9000 03-19-2018 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22239950)
FY2003 Supplemental: Operation Iraqi Freedom: Passed April 2003; Total $78.5 billion, $54.4 billion Iraq War

FY2004 Supplemental: Iraq and Afghanistan Ongoing Operations/Reconstruction: Passed November 2003; Total $87.5 billion, $70.6 billion Iraq War

FY2004 DoD Budget Amendment: $25 billion Emergency Reserve Fund (Iraq Freedom Fund): Passed July 2004, Total $25 billion, $21.5 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2005 Emergency Supplemental: Operations in the War on Terror; Activities in Afghanistan; Tsunami Relief: Passed April 2005, Total $82 billion, $58 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2006 Department of Defense appropriations: Total $50 billion, $40 billion (estimated) Iraq War.

FY2006 Emergency Supplemental: Operations Global War on Terror; Activities in Iraq & Afghanistan: Passed February 2006, Total $72.4 billion, $60 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2007 Department of Defense appropriations: $70 billion(estimated) for Iraq War-related costs

FY2007 Emergency Supplemental (proposed) $100 billion

FY2008 Bush administration has proposed around $190 billion for the Iraq War and Afghanistan

FY2009 Obama administration has proposed around $130 billion in additional funding for the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

FY2010 Obama administration proposes around $159.3 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.
The most recent CBO report, which was conducted after the end of combat operations and hence did not have to estimate future costs, was released in December 2014. It placed the cost of the war operations in Iraq as of January 1, 2014, at $815 billion out of the total $1.6 trillion approved by Congress since September 2001.

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And then... there was the global recession.

the protection racket is going strong in the USA...this is highly amusing because the last people to invade the americas came in wooden ships :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

those figures do not include the massive economic damage done to the countries they invaded and the damage refugees would cause the "allies" of the USA...

thommy 03-19-2018 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22239915)

It's economist like you who got us into this mess.

nope - it was dumb politicians who have been elected from even dumber people who believed in the simple solution what they could understand with their skills.

a smart politician would never be elected because the dumbs would not understand
his strategies.

in a crisis like obama have faced a country NEEDS to make depts to push up the economy (and this is exactly what he did) in good times when the economy is good (as it was up to now) a country should NOT fire more money in the markets because they will overheat and explode (this is what will happen soon) and pay back the depts or at least donīt make new ones.

depts are not generally bad but they have to be used smart.

but you might know the difference of a teen pussy and a mature pussy but donīt waste your time in understanding economy.

thommy 03-19-2018 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22239953)
those figures do not include the massive economic damage done to the countries they invaded and the damage refugees would cause the "allies" of the USA...

thatīs exactly the point.

i donīt know why americans are so blind for their problems.
the US politicians (or better: the ones who control them) are breeding rats and after that they sell the rat poison.

now trump wants to allow death penalties for drug dealers (he learned that from the dictator of the pihilippines) instead of starting where addictive and overpriced drugs are prescribed to ill people who are forced to get the cheaper version from the street at the end.

all totally illogical and frustrating to see how brainwashed dumb masses can be.

pimpmaster9000 03-19-2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22240005)
thatīs exactly the point.

i donīt know why americans are so blind for their problems.
the US politicians (or better: the ones who control them) are breeding rats and after that they sell the rat poison.

now trump wants to allow death penalties for drug dealers (he learned that from the dictator of the pihilippines) instead of starting where addictive and overpriced drugs are prescribed to ill people who are forced to get the cheaper version from the street at the end.

all totally illogical and frustrating to see how brainwashed dumb masses can be.

europe will turn away form the "alliance" with the USA in time...sooner or later people will realize that the US gov. is no ally at all but only a protection racket seller...americans will open their eyes sooner or later...in 10 years an aspirin will cost 1000$ in the USA and the """"""""""""""""defense""""""""""""""" budget will be in the trillions...

the bill always comes due...in one way or another...

Paul Markham 03-19-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22239933)
None of them but Trump. Because it would be insanity to claim that this would be possible.

But Trump did, some retards on here even defended his claim, now the debt is on the the way to new records highs instead and the same retards have no problem with that.

Fascinating.

So they all from Ford just increased the debt with no attempt to bring it down. No wonder they are in such a mess.

Did Obama say of the national debt, ?If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition?? | PolitiFact Florida

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancol.../#6bcf65513e8d

Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt | PolitiFact

What Hillary Clinton's plans mean for the U.S. debt | PolitiFact

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...idency/504905/

You can see they either ignore it or promise the impossible.

Debt to GDP is misleading. It assumes GDP will keep rising on real goods made by real people.

Rochard 03-19-2018 09:09 AM

What's disappointing here is that people bitched when Obama raised the national debt. I too was disappointed, but we clearly needed to do something to move past the recession.

Now we have a great economy and... Trump is going to increase our national debt for no reason? And suddenly Republicans are okay with it?

Paul Markham 03-19-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22239950)
FY2003 Supplemental: Operation Iraqi Freedom: Passed April 2003; Total $78.5 billion, $54.4 billion Iraq War

FY2004 Supplemental: Iraq and Afghanistan Ongoing Operations/Reconstruction: Passed November 2003; Total $87.5 billion, $70.6 billion Iraq War

FY2004 DoD Budget Amendment: $25 billion Emergency Reserve Fund (Iraq Freedom Fund): Passed July 2004, Total $25 billion, $21.5 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2005 Emergency Supplemental: Operations in the War on Terror; Activities in Afghanistan; Tsunami Relief: Passed April 2005, Total $82 billion, $58 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2006 Department of Defense appropriations: Total $50 billion, $40 billion (estimated) Iraq War.

FY2006 Emergency Supplemental: Operations Global War on Terror; Activities in Iraq & Afghanistan: Passed February 2006, Total $72.4 billion, $60 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2007 Department of Defense appropriations: $70 billion(estimated) for Iraq War-related costs

FY2007 Emergency Supplemental (proposed) $100 billion

FY2008 Bush administration has proposed around $190 billion for the Iraq War and Afghanistan

FY2009 Obama administration has proposed around $130 billion in additional funding for the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

FY2010 Obama administration proposes around $159.3 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.
The most recent CBO report, which was conducted after the end of combat operations and hence did not have to estimate future costs, was released in December 2014. It placed the cost of the war operations in Iraq as of January 1, 2014, at $815 billion out of the total $1.6 trillion approved by Congress since September 2001.

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And then... there was the global recession.

The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money.

Just in case people missed it.

Economic costs. The Defense Department reported that the overall cost of the Vietnam war was $173 billion (equivalent to $770 billion in 2003 dollars). Veteran's benefits and interest would add another $250 billion ($1 Trillion in 2003 dollars).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway.../#5505654d7b5f

All these wars you lost in terms of the outcome after the fighting had stopped. The US now has a trade deficit with Vietnam.

Paul Markham 03-19-2018 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22239984)
nope - it was dumb politicians who have been elected from even dumber people who believed in the simple solution what they could understand with their skills.

a smart politician would never be elected because the dumbs would not understand
his strategies.

in a crisis like obama have faced a country NEEDS to make depts to push up the economy (and this is exactly what he did) in good times when the economy is good (as it was up to now) a country should NOT fire more money in the markets because they will overheat and explode (this is what will happen soon) and pay back the depts or at least donīt make new ones.

depts are not generally bad but they have to be used smart.

but you might know the difference of a teen pussy and a mature pussy but donīt waste your time in understanding economy.

In America, it's the smart people, the 1%, who back the politicians who get elected.

Your problem is you only think smart people are the ones who think like you. And you clearly are a dumb one.

Paul Markham 03-19-2018 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22240005)
thatīs exactly the point.

i donīt know why americans are so blind for their problems.
the US politicians (or better: the ones who control them) are breeding rats and after that they sell the rat poison.

now trump wants to allow death penalties for drug dealers (he learned that from the dictator of the pihilippines) instead of starting where addictive and overpriced drugs are prescribed to ill people who are forced to get the cheaper version from the street at the end.

all totally illogical and frustrating to see how brainwashed dumb masses can be.

He's moaning about the US coalition stopping Serbs from murdering Muslims. The Serbs ignored all the warnings and it was only by bombing Serbia that they stopped the genocide.

The refugees were fleeing Syria to get away from ISIS who were adopting the same techniques on fellow Muslims. Now the US insist Assad should go, they haven't learned the lesson of Iraq and Libya. These countries need despots to keep the lid on things. So much for you re-education plans.

Should serious drug dealers face much larger sentences? The most serious aren't in the US, they make sure they keep out. You really are dumb.

Paul Markham 03-19-2018 09:22 AM

The title of this thread is "National debt 21 trillion Thanks Trump". It assumes that it only happened under Trump. Blame yourselves America for allowing you to live beyond what you earn.

Bladewire 03-19-2018 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22240118)
In America, it's the smart people, the 1%, who back the politicians who get elected.

Your problem is you only think smart people are the ones who think like you. And you clearly are a dumb one.

Smart citizens don't vote for a president that settled $25 million dollars for a class action financial fraud lawsuit.

Smart citizens don't vote for a man to rule the country who's been bankrupt 6 times.

Stupid people, who vote with emotions only, vote for a blantant fraud because he hates the same way that do.

The majority of Americans who voted are smart Americans and a folded for Hillary Clinton and she won their popular vote by 3 million. So the majority of Americans got their heads screwed on straight.

MaDalton 03-19-2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22240106)
blablubbbla...

none of them promised to eliminate the debt completely within 8 years, Trump did

save your time posting more links, time is precious

thommy 03-19-2018 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22240127)
The title of this thread is "National debt 21 trillion Thanks Trump". It assumes that it only happened under Trump. Blame yourselves America for allowing you to live beyond what you earn.

if you amateur economist would finally understand that a sum of dept does not show you anything we would be much further.

so letīs start with the bees and the flowers.

if the rothschild family have 1 billion dept - is it a problem????

if YOU have 1 million dept - would that be a problem ????

see - THAT is the reason why one has to measure debt in relation to the gross national product.

when obama came into office he faced the biggest financial crisis in the last 80 years.

so YES he had to make new depts to bring the economy back to life.

and now look on this graphic and try to understand it.

https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-con...th-600x463.png

http://zfacts.com/wp-content/uploads...-GDP-graph.png

and if you not see that obama was THE ONE AND ONLY president WITH A RESULT on the other side of the medal I can only call you ignorant and incurably stupid.

I really donīt care when people donīt know - I only care when people do not WANT to know because they are afraid to leave a completely wrong position where they feel familiar.


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