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Bladewire 11-05-2018 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 22362018)
I gave you the geography stuff already.

I am not in Raytown. I am near Raytown but not in it. Raytown has it's own issues.

Yes, there is crime around me, and as I said, I do what I can to help when I can.

I do not abandon a city and friends that I have grown very fond of because of the actions of some idiots.

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Notice how it drives on and on and on?

His mentality is very narrow

He thinks if you lived around blacks you would hate them, or see them as inferior, because that's what he thinks.

So he keeps finding excuse after excuse, and raising the bar, saying that you haven't lived near the right kind of blacks yet to come to the same touch when he does.

sarettah 11-05-2018 07:20 PM

http://www.madspiders.com/images/opus_hordes.jpg

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Paul Markham 11-06-2018 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22361924)
Stop getting your information from Fox News.

If this caravan gets through there will be more. To add to the 11 million you have now costing you $112bn a year.

Matt-ADX 11-06-2018 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362281)
If this caravan gets through there will be more. To add to the 11 million you have now costing you $112bn a year.

when if finally gets to the border it will be a few hundred and most will go to a port like usual and apply for asylum. Some get in and others don't and we all keep it moving. This is as big a threat as it was last year when the same BS happened in the news.

_Richard_ 11-06-2018 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362281)
If this caravan gets through there will be more. To add to the 11 million you have now costing you $112bn a year.

you know illegal immigrants tax revenues within the US far exceed the services they use right? It's in the third paragraph, right before it discusses the lower prices the immigrants bring to whatever industry they happen to be working in, you can read it here with it's 3 different cited sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...nite d_States

what is the purpose of spreading false information about a matter thousands of kilometers from you about people you have never met regarding a country you have nothing to do with

Paul Markham 11-06-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt-ADX (Post 22362345)
when if finally gets to the border it will be a few hundred and most will go to a port like usual and apply for asylum. Some get in and others don't and we all keep it moving. This is as big a threat as it was last year when the same BS happened in the news.

If this caravan gets through and is allowed in. There will be a constant stream following them.

Paul Markham 11-06-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22362355)
you know illegal immigrants tax revenues within the US far exceed the services they use right? It's in the third paragraph, right before it discusses the lower prices the immigrants bring to whatever industry they happen to be working in, you can read it here with it's 3 different cited sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...nite d_States

what is the purpose of spreading false information about a matter thousands of kilometers from you about people you have never met regarding a country you have nothing to do with

I read those parts, ie.

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Consumer demand
An employer may benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. If paid under the table rather than using an ITIN, hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.

Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US
What would happen if employers couldn't find illegal migrants to employ? Would they be forced to pay a higher wage, would they go out of business and a business paying better would take over the demand?

How many illegals send money home?

Low wages and high real unemployment cause a huge burden on a country. People have less to spend, pay less in taxes and raise demands for welfare payments.

I have close family living in California, my parents lived there and dealt first hand with illegals.

Also mass migration is a problem for the West not confined to the US.

Bladewire 11-06-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362401)
If this caravan gets through and is allowed in. There will be a constant stream following them.

Obama sent troops to the border to confront a bigger caravan a few years back.

14 people were arrested

The rest were processed, which is what they came here to do, just like this caravan. They've been coming to America like that 2-3 times a year for over a decade.

This is nothing new for us here in California. But since Trump is making such a big deal about this Caravan, for political reasons, a lot of people are afraid of something that they didn't know existed.

pimpmaster9000 11-06-2018 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362409)
I read those parts, ie.



What would happen if employers couldn't find illegal migrants to employ? Would they be forced to pay a higher wage, would they go out of business and a business paying better would take over the demand?

How many illegals send money home?

Low wages and high real unemployment cause a huge burden on a country. People have less to spend, pay less in taxes and raise demands for welfare payments.

I have close family living in California, my parents lived there and dealt first hand with illegals.

Also mass migration is a problem for the West not confined to the US.



how much businesses would go under if they were forced to employ expensive labor? how much legal workers would be out of business, how much of a burden would this be on a country?

it works 2 ways paul you can not constantly cherry pick consequences...

ANAL PASTE 11-06-2018 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22361021)

I know 75% of trump support base never finished high school, so let me give you little lesson in geography son. You see that little flag on cop's shoulder. Ye, the one with 2 blue and one white stripe. Thats not Mexican flag. Its either Honduras, Nicaragua or El salvador.
Thank me later.

sarettah 11-06-2018 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22361021)


None of those are from the current migrant caravan. Yet again, don't let facts get in your way of a good propoganda job.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/me...aravan-photos/

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_Richard_ 11-06-2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362409)



What would happen if employers couldn't find illegal migrants to employ? Would they be forced to pay a higher wage, would they go out of business and a business paying better would take over the demand?

How many illegals send money home?

Low wages and high real unemployment cause a huge burden on a country. People have less to spend, pay less in taxes and raise demands for welfare payments.

I have close family living in California, my parents lived there and dealt first hand with illegals.

Also mass migration is a problem for the West not confined to the US.

if they had no undocumented workers to employ their economy would collapse.

if they generate more tax revenue than the services they consume, lower prices across industries, and are a fundamental component of the economy, it doesn't matter how much money they send home - furthermore sending USD makes the world that much more reliant on the USD as a reserve currency, something under serious attack.

to blame immigrants for low wages is frankly insane with relation to this conversation.. you discuss taxes and freeloaders while a series of corporations with positive tax rates and a series of tax havens across the planet buy and sell politicians at whim while we demonize children and their parents trying to escape realities created by our very own 'western governments'

want these people to stay home? stop killing their leaders

Rochard 11-06-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22361794)
What do you suggest they do to stop people walking across the borders en mass?

I have no idea where you get your facts from, but you have zero understanding of what is really happening here. We don't have people walking across the border "en mass". That kind of shit only happens on TV. This caravan that is heading towards the US is not going to crash the border and run across. They are going to walk up to a point of entry, stand in line at the customs office, fill out a form, and request asylum. All of the barbed wire in the world isn't going to stop this.

They don't even know what state this US caravan is going to arrive at.

The ONLY reason this is being done is a political stunt by the President. Period. They can't even arrest someone.

thommy 11-06-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22362499)
if they had no undocumented workers to employ their economy would collapse.

if they generate more tax revenue than the services they consume, lower prices across industries, and are a fundamental component of the economy, it doesn't matter how much money they send home - furthermore sending USD makes the world that much more reliant on the USD as a reserve currency, something under serious attack.

to blame immigrants for low wages is frankly insane with relation to this conversation.. you discuss taxes and freeloaders while a series of corporations with positive tax rates and a series of tax havens across the planet buy and sell politicians at whim while we demonize children and their parents trying to escape realities created by our very own 'western governments'

want these people to stay home? stop killing their leaders

donīt even try to explain paul how a world economy is working.
this is called "the hopeless level"

thommy 11-06-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22362409)
I read those parts, ie.



What would happen if employers couldn't find illegal migrants to employ? Would they be forced to pay a higher wage, would they go out of business and a business paying better would take over the demand?

nope - they can outsource the production to china or india. and all of them will work legal there. but none of them will even buy a hot dog in US.

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How many illegals send money home?
Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $557.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2017. Goods exports totaled $243.3 billion.

Where do you think they got this money from ?
Printed it?

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Low wages and high real unemployment cause a huge burden on a country. People have less to spend, pay less in taxes and raise demands for welfare payments.
1. US have actually one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world. even european economies what doing 100 times better than the US facing higher unemployment rates.
what is it that they are doing better?

2. Higher wages makes products more expensive. It does not produce prosperity if you give people more money when prices are increasing.
apart of that the prices will not only become higher for the "illegals" they will become also higher for the "legals".
What you are announcing will take prosperity away from people and nothing else.

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I have close family living in California, my parents lived there and dealt first hand with illegals.
If they taught you what you think you know, I don't want to hear their "explanation of the world formula".

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Also mass migration is a problem for the West not confined to the US.
i'm sorry - i don't see a single country in the west with high immigration rates that has a growth problem because of it. the opposite is the case. countries with high immigration rates have a higher and faster growth rate.

UK, for example, can no longer guarantee care for the elderly or pay for it WITHOUT getting the strength from low-wage countries. soon it will be time for the englishmen to start changing the shitty diapers of their elderly themselves - a dream job - i'm sure that pretty much every british person will beg to do this job.

dyna mo 11-06-2018 12:43 PM

MArkham, this is America, we have an obligation to try and help people asking us for help. These people are coming here and asking for help. Plenty of US Americans have no problem helping them out of their misery.

not everything is about how much immigrants can contribute to the economy.

thommy 11-06-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22362567)
MArkham, this is America, we have an obligation to try and help people asking us for help. These people are coming here and asking for help. Plenty of US Americans have no problem helping them out of their misery.

not everything is about how much immigrants can contribute to the economy.

100% correct ! and exactly THIS is what the founding fathers wanted.
they had in mind that america should be an bright example to do things bigger and better.

they have seen all the conflicts in the old world and wanted to show them better alternatives.

if we can get back to this purpose I am with you ! and not only me - the whole world would be with you.

Paul Markham 11-07-2018 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22362416)
Obama sent troops to the border to confront a bigger caravan a few years back.

14 people were arrested

The rest were processed, which is what they came here to do, just like this caravan. They've been coming to America like that 2-3 times a year for over a decade.

This is nothing new for us here in California. But since Trump is making such a big deal about this Caravan, for political reasons, a lot of people are afraid of something that they didn't know existed.

So these caravans are a constant threat.

Why do you think Trump is making a political point out of it? Could it be that people will vote for him? Welcome to democracy.

Paul Markham 11-07-2018 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22362499)
if they had no undocumented workers to employ their economy would collapse.

if they generate more tax revenue than the services they consume, lower prices across industries, and are a fundamental component of the economy, it doesn't matter how much money they send home - furthermore sending USD makes the world that much more reliant on the USD as a reserve currency, something under serious attack.

to blame immigrants for low wages is frankly insane with relation to this conversation.. you discuss taxes and freeloaders while a series of corporations with positive tax rates and a series of tax havens across the planet buy and sell politicians at whim while we demonize children and their parents trying to escape realities created by our very own 'western governments'

want these people to stay home? stop killing their leaders

The economy of one company doesn't determine the economy of a country.

Are you adding the services the real unemployed need to the services of illegal migrants?

You blame corporations for buying politicians and think they have nothing to do with the present stand on illegal migration.

Paul Markham 11-07-2018 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22362514)
I have no idea where you get your facts from, but you have zero understanding of what is really happening here. We don't have people walking across the border "en mass". That kind of shit only happens on TV. This caravan that is heading towards the US is not going to crash the border and run across. They are going to walk up to a point of entry, stand in line at the customs office, fill out a form, and request asylum. All of the barbed wire in the world isn't going to stop this.

They don't even know what state this US caravan is going to arrive at.

The ONLY reason this is being done is a political stunt by the President. Period. They can't even arrest someone.

I think Trump is telling them to go to a port of entry and apply for asylum.

I agree barbed wire isn't enough, a wall properly policed would be much better.

Paul Markham 11-07-2018 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22362553)
nope - they can outsource the production to china or india. and all of them will work legal there. but none of them will even buy a hot dog in US.

Yes globalisation is a problem. Can they globalise the jobs illegals do? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.f196a642c36f


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Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $557.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2017. Goods exports totaled $243.3 billion.

Where do you think they got this money from ?
Printed it?
The U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico was $71.0 billion in 2017.

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1. US have actually one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world. even european economies what doing 100 times better than the US facing higher unemployment rates.
what is it that they are doing better?
Is that the government figures or the real ones?

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2. Higher wages makes products more expensive. It does not produce prosperity if you give people more money when prices are increasing.
apart of that the prices will not only become higher for the "illegals" they will become also higher for the "legals".
What you are announcing will take prosperity away from people and nothing else.
So why are so many people in Europe turning against illegal migration?

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i'm sorry - i don't see a single country in the west with high immigration rates that has a growth problem because of it. the opposite is the case. countries with high immigration rates have a higher and faster growth rate.
So why are so many people in Europe turning against illegal migration?

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UK, for example, can no longer guarantee care for the elderly or pay for it WITHOUT getting the strength from low-wage countries. soon it will be time for the englishmen to start changing the shitty diapers of their elderly themselves - a dream job - i'm sure that pretty much every british person will beg to do this job.
So allow a certain number of legal migrants to do those jobs. Just the workers not their families.

Paul Markham 11-07-2018 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22362567)
MArkham, this is America, we have an obligation to try and help people asking us for help. These people are coming here and asking for help. Plenty of US Americans have no problem helping them out of their misery.

not everything is about how much immigrants can contribute to the economy.

Fine with legal migrants coming in, I'm not fine with illegal migrants. Do you know the difference?

_Richard_ 11-07-2018 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22363023)
The economy of one company doesn't determine the economy of a country.

Are you adding the services the real unemployed need to the services of illegal migrants?

You blame corporations for buying politicians and think they have nothing to do with the present stand on illegal migration.

" series of corporations with positive tax rates" ?? so you are the only one talking about one company

i can't believe you're still attempting to argue about the cost of illegal migrants.. if they pay more than they use they will be paying for 'the real unemployed'..

i think what now

dyna mo 11-07-2018 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22363029)
Fine with legal migrants coming in, I'm not fine with illegal migrants. Do you know the difference?

I've stated several times here I don't give 1 single fuck about immigration of any kind.

Moreover, you took the bait, not me. This caravan bullshit is a red herring.

Run for your life, women and children needing help are coming.


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