Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385814)

so you admit you're a nazi?

btw. the "accurate subtitles" are everything else than accurate

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22385835)

Does he need to admit it? A dog doesn't need to admit to being a dog but it's obvious as hell it's a dog.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22385398)

You didn't answer the questions I asked.

But did confirm that it was good when Obama pulled troops out and bombed places in the ME but bad when Trump does the same.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385867)

true words.
but the real question is:

are all trump supporters nazis or all nazis trump supporters ?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22385231)

Civilians cannot run wars - they just can't.

Vietnam is a perfect example of this. We didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam. However, the civilian government ran this war worried about the political implications. Their goal wasn't to win the war it was to say in office. This is why politicians cannot run a war.



No, this couldn't be more wrong. NO ONE WANTS WAR. Ever. No one.

Generals don't want war. They have employment no matter if we go to war or not. Same thing with a Private. And every between them. If we go to war in the morning or not, they will both still have jobs next week.

It's the same thing with the people who make the planes and missiles and tanks. If we invade North Korea next week, are we going to suddenly put in orders for new planes? Ships? Tanks? No. It doesn't even work that way. We don't go to war and say "we need to build more ships". It takes years to build new ships, and planes. Even missiles. We don't go to war, launch two thousand missiles in one week, and say "oh, we need more". We have millions in storage "in case" we go to war.



Each country has it's own issues.

We need to be in Afghanistan. It's pretty simple. The Taliban allowed and encouraged 9/11, and after we were attacked refused to do anything about it. So far as the United States government is concerned they were a part of 9/11.

Iraq..... Iraq attacked an ally. When one of our allies gets attacked, we go to war. It's pretty simple. Obama left because we needed to leave. The Iraqi government and military had been replaced and re-created, and ISIS was chased out of the territory. There was no reason for us to stay - NONE.

Syria.... We shouldn't have gone there in the first place, but now that we are there we need to stay to finish the mission. The mission was protecting the Kurds and stopping ISIS. Your president just lied to you saying ISIS was defeated. Everyone knows that is not the case. Moments before Trump made his announcement, ISIS stated a terrorist strike. Even if they were defeated, that is only half of the reason we are there. What Trump just told the world is he doesn't care about what American policy is and he doesn't care about keeping any promises the US governemnt made....

Jesus fucking Christ Robbie... Mr. trump's chief of staff just resigned and utterly fucking slammed him on the way out. Open your eyes already. Look at what is happening. For the past two years the President has been making a complete ass out of the Untied States, shitting on all of our allies. The economy is about to take a huge crap, and nothing has been accomplished other than a tax cut for the rich and renaming NAFTA. The president is now under multiple investigations in every area of his life, personal, business, and political - and everyone involved with him is either going to jail or pleading guilty.

This is madness.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22385928)

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385871)

no i did never say that it was good when obama pulled out the troops from ME.

if he liked it or not but this inheritance was a existing mistake but not to change by getting the troops out after another president before cooked the chaos soup.

you can not change such mistakes in a few weeks. the problems that have been caused by the military intervention will stay for decades.

no US intervention have ever brought prosperity. all countries are fucked and when they were fucked the army went home.
and THIS IS what is producing the terror.
america have NEVER a mission completed - they just fertilized the countries to feed the terror.

if a country says A it MUST say B for not losing face and to PROVE that they can make things better.

trump is clue and planless - he just does today this and tomorrow the opposite.
he does not need a reason or sense. he is just playing president and checks out
where else he can make some mess.

i hope this drama will soon have an end so the world can turn to more important things than shaking heads about a stupid clown.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385986)

how could obama create ISIS ?
ISIS is existing since 2003 you idiot

and the ones trump lets alone now have lost a lot of lifes by fighting ISIS and have been attacked by the turks at the very same time.

so trump let´s the ISIS fighters alone and made instead a big weapon deal with their biggest enemy.

but i never expected that some hating neanderthal-man without a brain can get the facts.

so fuck you - fuck trump - fuck your nazi ideology and fuck your stupid lies you dumb cunt.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385986)

how could obama create ISIS ?
ISIS is existing since 2003 you idiot

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22386020)

The USA has been doing that since the end of World War 2, with the same result every single time.

Anyone remember that Bin Laden guy? He got his start with US weaponry.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22386038)

he is not arming the enemies of the extremists he is arming the enemies of the enemies of the extremists.

the kurds have let most of them live by fighting against ISIS. they have held their ass there where no other has done it and sacrificed many lives for it.

which is now thanks to the fact that the Kurds are left to the Turks and the Turks are even supplied with the weapons.

A perfect example of how to breed terrorists. the kurds will never forget that and when such battle-tested people become terrorists it is no fun anymore.

so if you hear in the future from kurdish terrorists then think back to the day trump started to supply the enemies of the kurds with weapons. it was december 14th, 2018 and i hope the story won't be forgotten like all the other reasons that only fools weren't aware of...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386071)

So staying the fuck out and keeping out is the only viable option. As these people are not civilised enough to be trusted.

Unless you Germans want to get your hands dirty and not make deals with the Turks.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 22385985)

That is not quite how the math works.

LMGTFY

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22386497)

Sure some companies profit. But the Generals don't profit. The Generals and privates don't want to go to war. Ever. It's the last thing in the world they want.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385871)

no US intervention have ever brought prosperity. all countries are fucked and when they were fucked the army went home.
and THIS IS what is producing the terror.

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386074)

If not for the US getting involved your dumbass would be speaking German. Maybe you would have been happier though.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22386264)

paul if you can´t follow the facts go and try to educate yourself at least a little bit.
we all know here that you are not the smartest and we accept it because you are old.
but your age and crippled world view are not right because you don´t understand it better.

i am really afraid to get that dumb as you are in a few years. give me a bit hope !

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22386605)

They helped together with some countries to free Europe in WW II. And than they started the Marshall Plan that helped Germany to become a superpower. That might have been a mistake. In my opinion, cause merkel want a 4th Reich. Glad she is almost gone. She started to ruin Europe by inviting all the 'refugees'. And for the environment she is even worse than Trump.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386683)

The ME will never be peaceful, they are intent on killing each other. So the options are try to stop as many as possible by occupying the land with troops or pulling out and leaving them to kill each other.

Pulling out means they kill less Americans.

Funny how the liberals insist Muslims are no different to Christians. Do they mean Christians of the Middle Ages?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386686)

You are the dumbest mother fucker on this forum LOL

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386680)

Look at history from books not Hollywood films.

We might be speaking Russian but not German.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386719)

The liberals are now in favour of America policing countries that can't act civilised towards their citizens and neighbours or is it just selective countries that get America's protection? If so what's the criteria for a country to warrant such protection? We know it took the bombing of Serbia to stop Serbs from murdering Bosnians because asking them not to kill their neighbours never worked.

Will the US troops have to work to strict guidelines or will they be allowed to use "reasonable force" when dealing with the enemy?

Is there a limit to how many American lives can be lost in such actions?

The idea of the US selling arms to either side is just one of business. The US isn't the only country in the world selling arms. https://www.businessinsider.com/top-...s-sales-2018-3 there are lots of countries who sell arms.

What other conclusion is there?

Maybe you can enlighten us.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386731)

The west:

*creates, trains, funds alquaeda and ISIS*
"look savages!"
*sells weapons, steals resources, murders millions*
"why cant you live in peace??!?"
*destabilizes entire region, sells more weapons*
"look savages!"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

and paul who gives a fuck how many USIS high school drop out paid mercenaries from the USA die while invading 3rd world farmers?...why is this even being talked about?...if they do not want their bleeding heart heroes to die maybe they should fuck off home? oh right...money to be made with invading :thumbsup

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386724)

You are the dumbest mother fucker on this forum LOL

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386735)

This would have some truth in it if the ME was a peaceful region before the US got involved. The truth is it's been at war with itself from long before the US was discovered.

So I'll ask you straight, should the US pull out and let them kill each other or should it try to stop them?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386738)

Britain had repelled the Nazi invasion long before the US got into WW2. Remember the Battle of Britain?

Hitler fucked up the day he invaded Russia.

Did America help to win WW2? Undoubtedly, it sold arms to the UK, then it's forces helped in the invasion of Europe. But the Russians were the main reason the Nazis lost. If Hitler hadn't invaded Germany would have had the troops to fight on one front. But Hollywood won't tell you that.

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386744)

If not for America Germany would have taken Russia and then Britain would have been fucked and you would have spent your life shoveling shit in a tire factory for a few slices of bread.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386747)

and if not for russia bonobo monkeys would have raped everybody...IRL the USA was a tourist in WW2...tiny shit hole yugoslavia gave more lives than the USA...all the USA did was nuke some fishermen 2x and declare they won WW2 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what a fucking joke the USA always was :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386749)

Well no shit they lost more lives, your country was taken over in a little more than a week. Like yugoslavia had anything to do with winning the war. Still driving a Yugo? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386754)

you were tourists in WW2...nothing illustrates it better than: tiny shit hole "taken over in little more than a week" yugoslavia gave more lives that you did...


history according to americans: "we are such fucking heroes the world owes us everything!" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386756)

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/KA...ry-of-yugo.jpg


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386759)

yugo still gave more lives than fake heroes USA...all you guys did was nuke some fishermen and declare yourselves the saviors of mankind :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what a fucking joke the USA is :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386738)

Britain had repelled the Nazi invasion long before the US got into WW2. Remember the Battle of Britain?

Hitler fucked up the day he invaded Russia.

Did America help to win WW2? Undoubtedly, it sold arms to the UK, then it's forces helped in the invasion of Europe. But the Russians were the main reason the Nazis lost. If Hitler hadn't invaded Germany would have had the troops to fight on one front. But Hollywood won't tell you that.

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386762)

Keep telling yourself that Yugo Boy.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22386756)

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/KA...ry-of-yugo.jpg


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22386769)

i think you are right in that but do you know what the americans did in germany before they left?

and have you ever heard how dangerous Germany was for them in the first 10 years? How many british and american guys got killed from old Nazis and the Werewolf that was active til the 60s?

No you don´t know it because there was no internet and your government was smart enough not to tell you that this is happening every day when your soldiers have been there.

if they would have gone after 2 years the next hitler would be possibly a bit smarter and takes the world piece by piece.

we have a very unique education system in Germany what would not exist without america. I lived with american GIs as my neighbors til far in the 70s and Germans today are the most pacifist people with no national pride at all.
the first time when i personally saw a german flag in the window or the balcony of a house was at the football world championship 2006.
if someone would put a german flag on his house or his car before that he would be at the Nazi observation list.

And you know what: I think that was good for us. In Germany we respect individuals - no matter what they are and where they come from - we respect performance, reliability, a given word - but we are not this WE-ARE-THE-BEST-community blinded by our own national pride. and sure you can tell me that you know one that is different. YES you are right - we ALL are different and this is good that we KNOW AND ACCEPT THAT!

so i am happy that trump was not the american president than and leave the country in chaos. the only funny thing is, that americans teached us something that americans never have learned.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386018)

So America should be the World's Police Force. Do you support the extra military spending, the force needed to keep the extremists down and the loss of American lives?