If I had time I would have done all the marketing required. Finding and shooting new hot talent took up a lot of our time.

Regular scouting trips to Prague and other Czech cities didn't allow us the time.

Where is it now?

Imagine running a site full of new exclusive girls with the ability to update one scene a day. Shot well and performing for real back in the day when so much was shitty filler content. Even the custom exclusive content shot for $300 a scene.

He knows fuck all about Czech and Hungarian girls and why so many came here.

So you both agree being a webmaster is easier than producing content and a guaranty of success.

It has to be something anyone can pick up in a short time. The actual marketing, describing, improving the product I already knew. The webmaster part I always thought was hard to get right as so many failed. I do know what a TGP gallery on The Hun could achieve, and similar sites, because we submitted them and made money from them.

But we left it to webmasters to do the webmaster part. If we didn't have the successful content production side of the business maybe we would have learned to be webmasters and hired a team of in house guys to do the grunt work. Would never of had an affiliate program because we saw too many sites fail by giving away too much to affiliates.

Don't understand. Are you saying you couldn't make a profit with only having to spend $500 on content?

It depending on person, for some is easier to be affiliate , for some easier to be content producer. There is no universal recipe.

And there is the crux of the answer. You needed to actually work. Not just rely upon people overpaying you for pointing a camera at a naked girl... 'Adapting' required actual work... :2 cents:

Porn has to be the only industry ever that destroyed itself by giving away for free what it tries to sell.. haha fucking idiots.

Imagine if tomorrow there was not 1 single site on the internet that shows a porn video or picture for free.

Everyone would rolling in money instantly.

Not really, there is a plenty of examples where same happened. For example, there is no more need for buying music at all, you can either listen for free on youtube or subscribe to some cheap music streaming service which cost almost nothing.

Tons of industries have to figure out the right amount of free.

The people who give out samples at Whole Foods or Costco have a number of metrics they have to hit, which mean they are incentived to give away a lot of food. Some people go to the store on a good giveaways day to basically eat a free lunch and some, while doing their regular shopping, like to check out new things they might want more of.

I'd love to be pulling in 2005 dough with 2005 work from only doing the couple of things I was doing in 2005. But I make money when a site puts up some of my photos with a link. Samples lead to sales when the potential customer likes the product.

In the era of tubes, I would say that my biggest problem is not piracy, but that most tube sites will not post photos with links; they will only post links with videos.

Fiddy dinosaurs

You did try that. All of that. You suck at all of it, including the 1980's style porn shoots.

it sounds like you just don't want to be part of the game in an era where tubes exist.

no one can fault you for that but I think you know exactly what you needed to do to adapt...and it just wasn't worth it to you.

Agree 100%

Rochard makes it sound as if all webmasters were doing what he proposes. Truth is very few did that consistently.

No other online content producer did what we did, consistently sell to offline and online.

Those getting off on free porn would be forced to buy. $30 a month, or even 3 months, isn't much. The problem is a tube is easier to run than a paysite.

At 58 fighting cancer I decided the demise of our magazine side of the business and tubes it was time to retire.

Running a tube site on all our domains would have been easy, the unique traffic they were getting daily would have stayed, building solidly.

The problem was always my health.

Producing content for magazines wasn't as easy as it was for online.

All the good paying magazines wanted sets on film, I would shoot the film set with my wife or employee in tandem. Online content producers were clueless at lighting a set. I would personally visit editors and see the discs they received of sets and never opened.

Online couldn't afford to wait 6 to 18 months to get paid. After paying the model $500, film costs, make up, etc on the day of the shoot.

They wanted to buy from people who would consistently produce the right content for their magazine. The right style, model, poses, location, etc. There was no point in submitting work that didn't match their magazine.

We consistently produced teen style work in solo, lesbian boy girl sets. If we had found a webmaster who could have taken our business beyond what the magazines were paying. We could have increased production, by shooting the best girls even more than we did. Sadly none approached us with an offer that could tempt me to give up shooting non exclusive for online and offline.

The problem is when we were asked to shoot by programs they were offering a derisory price. $300 to $500 for a solo girl set and video, $800 to $1,00 for lesbian, $1,200 to $2,000 for B/G. It made more financial sense to release it on the content stores and let the money slowly roll in.

There problem was funding good content, paying and supporting affiliates, hosting, etc. As the 50% to affiliates was a fixed price and the support they demanded. The spend on content was cut to the bone. The problem was that with shit content you're unlikely to get it listed on a TGP, can't afford to buy ad space, affiliates won't promote you, surfers won't look twice and few pay to join.

The only way to make money with poor content was to go the way of ATK, Karups who spent a lot every month on content. But only paying $300 to $400 for an exclusive set and video.

The odds of you running a successful tube at any point in history is zero. The odds you'd even be able to get one functioning on a server that didn't cost you 50k a week in bandwidth is 0. You have not adapted to a single thing since you've been on these forums.

Imagine looking at the literal swarms of girls that run their own shit and make millions per year in 2019 and still thinking any of this mattered. You could have done so many things with those European model rates but instead took 80's style magazine pics, 96 style paysite videos and pissed in the wind to sell it while talking shit about amateur content, cams and tubes all along the way.

Imagine being so fucking stupid that you see YouTube flourishing but swear up and down that porn tubes were doomed to fail, would be closed down, etc.

Imagine.

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

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maybe this is where you went wrong...

there´s enough money still to be made in porn & a huge amount of people throughout the world love watching the Brits, a British amateur, you didn´t need to go scouting to Prague just to make yourself feel special.

Marketing is easy, just using a POS website, a blog and some feeds to the blog...


I´m considering shooting for a large company like Brazzers or Bangbus, maybe film 2 or 3 movies for them, get my name out there now i´ve done the initial job or retaining my name on sites like freeones, IMDB & tubes. We´ve always wanted to keep me and my personal porn name as my own copyright, no one else has any footage, although, dogging don was going to meet up with me, it just never happened.

I can imagine being promoted by a large company like brazzers, my fan base would grow 10 fold overnight...

It was hard NOT to make money. I know one affilaite who bought a domain name, launched a TGP, and was driving a Ferrari before he was legal drinking age.

Instead of branching out into other areas of our industry you stuck with what you knew best, photography. There is nothing wrong with that - we all did this to some degree.

All of us failed to adapt. Looking back at the past twenty years in adult I see I too failed to adapt. I was making so much money running porn sites that I saw no reason to change. Looking back at it all I see exactly what I should have done... Our industry has an amazing business model which is why it works so well, but there is one area of our industry that always makes money no matter what... I am disappointed I didn't move in that direction.

People that were running programs were either doing it for themselves or making so much money doing it that it was hard to get them to go to work for someone else.

I recently read The Burnout Generation (a freebie on Audible if you have a subscription). It was about Millennials and what they are struggling with in society. Highly recommended.

The author, like myself, started out as a freelance writer. Somehow she "made it" by getting steady work, being published (online mostly) and somehow eeking out a living. Just like I did in my twenties. She made an interesting comment, saying how her success was mostly due to being n the right place at the right time, knowing just one or two of the 'right people' and the rest was luck. Just like for me. The thing we had in common tho was an unrelenting, unstoppable drive that kept us going even when failue was all around us.

Her/my point is that her 'success' was unreplicatable, as was mine. The same holds true for my years in the adult business. Sure I can show someone how to do this or that but really each person has to find their own way. The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people. :)

Exactly...why make a thread "how should we have adapted" when it's clear to Paul and everyone else that his heart just wasn't in the game post-tubes?

That's called cognitive dissonance and it's easy to make fun of but we all do it.

Interesting read thanks for sharing.

At the end of the day someone is either about the money or they're not.

I mean I'm "mostly retired" and the business that I built makes pure crap that I could never get off on. But the bullshit sells and realy that's all that's important.

Honestly I would love to go back to the old days when I worked with people like Claudine Beccarie and Lasse Braun. Back then the women were absolutely beautiful and total class and us guys were gentlemen. Lord I miss those days.

Now maybe one day it'll be like that again but at the present moment there are a mountain of people willing to pay me to see crap. So we move forward with that crap.

You're definition of adapting only means people from a side of the industry doing what you do. How about we look at it from the other side.

Met Art level programs make way more than you do. So why didn't you take time to learn how to shoot content at a far higher level and use your amazing skills to drive traffic to a better site than the Bunny Ranch. A site that failed because the content couldn't attract enough traffic and convert it to pay the cost of continual production.

This also applies to all the other webmasters who couldn't adapt.

The money made from amateur will always be split amongst 1,000s of sites. It's easy to produce so 1,000s produce it. As you climb up the ladder it gets harder to produce and the increase in sites who can't make it increase. Czech and Hungary have a quality of girls that far surpasses the UK. Don't tell me about markets I worked in.

You can't get on Brazzers because your level of skills aren't as high as there's.

In the content production side I adapted from selling photos, to launching my own paysite and making 150 to 200 sign ups a week by doing very little.

But you are right, very few have adapted into other sides of the business. One webmaster opening a TGP site and being a success is a poor example when 100s opened TGP sites and barely made a mark.

I was never approaching people running programs to team up with after my early encounters with them. I needed a skilled webmaster to handle the traffic side. Designs, galleries, programming, content production we could handle in house, even some affiliate work could be done in house by students working part time.

I'm asking all the clever asses how we should have adapted pre tubes.

My heart went out when the magazine side died. We could have carried on with just that side, it was the bigger money side that required less work and costs.

The magazine level was higher but better paid the online which was far easier to churn out but needed more production.

People who draw a parallel between Youtube and porn tubes are as stupid as those who draw a parallel between the free samples in a supermarket and what the porn industry does.

I could show people how to point a camera and click the shutter. Would that make them as good as we were? No because of my ability to coax the best out of models, to light, pose, direct, control, build a scene.

One only has to look at all the webmaster experts attempts to open paysites to see their failure to adapt. Most could never afford the huge costs of the content to start up.

50 - 100 scenes for $600 - $2,000, Hosting, design, programming was way beyond the fortunes they claimed to be making as affiliates. So they either shot it themselves and came up with a poor product or got another cheap bloke to shoot it for them. Hence your ability to pick up loads of sites or shoot content yourself.

Now wait for all the clever asses to tell us they know someone who started a paysite with nothing and now flying in a personal jet.

30 years a content producer and selling on to publishers and direct is enough. I had planned to retire in 2000 but met Eva and at 22 she had no visions of living in Thailand on a beach and the prospect of doing something new in Czech excited me.

But when the magazines died or stopped buying, it meant working twice as hard to earn half, or retiring and enjoying my remaining years.



What part of this makes you think I could come back? Due to my health.

how do you know how high my acting and fucking skills are??

I give excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex. I´m still at an age where they would be appreciating a new comer to their market, yet have my name already set in stone through the channels :2 cents:

I stay very calm & professional even when the weather´s 40c & i´m wearing a dress just to shoot some photos in...



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You have several tips in this thread. You just want somebody to buy your content packages. Nobody will. Them times are over.

The only chances to adapt I see, you dont want to do because it requires you work... about as hard as you work posting here... lol

Good luck bro. I respect you as an OG in this biz. Legend that had his time, and refused to exploit it in the end. Try not to go out bitter tho.

If you think this is anything more than amateur you're delusional. My Astral Blue scenes were more professional than this. No decent audio, No decent lighting, no decent camera work, not even a camera on a tripod.

There are 1,000s of girls who can give "excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex". But fewer cameramen who know how to film it.

Seeing as you can't afford to buy my content and make a return on it by submitting it to all clip and PPV sites. I would say you can't afford to buy it. Still many others do.

How many of us adapted to other sides of the industry successfully? King Mark never did.

It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.

You do realize I've tried to help you and praise you? Lol. The advice you've gotten in this thread and your other cry for help threads could actually help you bro. Instead you prove that you're just a lazy fuck who insulted everyone who answered the question you asked, and then you try to use the cancer victim card... Lmao

Nobody is buying your content packages paul. They suck. Your best bet is to monetize them yourself like I told you, and use your cranky old porner shenanigans to promote them. Adapt to the social media era.

Anybody can flick their bean on live cam now and earn more than you ever did without buying your shitty content. You don't understand that middlemen like you are no longer needed... Like VCR's.

I also thought you were trolling for a while, but it's apparent you are legit pissed that you became obsolete in this industry.

Have fun dying broke, sick and bitter.

But why can't you get this, I don't need to work, I don't want to work, my health isn't good enough to work even more than posting here.

So show us your live cam show which earns you $1,000s per scene.