Not porn, but still Adult space.
$125 worth of content, mid 7 figures yearly.
In my case definitely traffic is king, and it's fucking expensive.

yeah. innit fucking just... :2 cents:

I only push Paul Markham approved sites

No you can't. Just because someone else has it you still need something to sell.

Yes money is left on the table, just not as much as there could be for people with shit content.

If I'm wrong it would be easy for you to list all the sites making big bucks with shit content. For instance why did you send your traffic to Clickcash? Is it the best site most suited for your traffic based on the content it has, or is it the first site you found?

Who here is pushing traffic to shit sites? There must be 100s of you because traffic is king. Time to prove it.

It's a Dating site so not really something we're discussing.

You're send traffic to someone else who is spending money putting a site together. That makes you money.

Would you spend money on sending traffic to a site that doesn't convert? No and that's the problem most people have today in porn with sites without great content.

Even today people say they think traffic is king, then won't push sites without great conversions, great and endless samples, unique and great content. Then tell you they can get content anywhere. The opposite is true, shit traffic is easy and free to get. No one spends a dime to get it.

Nope not dating, the $125 of content is the complete members area.

12% credits, 9% chargebacks... tsk, tsk...


PS: what about the other billers :D

We've been over this, asshole. I sold my own damn customers and sent to a join. I sold them with 600x800 max size screenshots of cams NON FUCKING NUDE. 4 pictures, a lot of words.

50 people think Paul is trolling.

But Paul is not.

2 pages of content and skimmed traffic

I can't sign up to my own sites with my own cards and it drives me crazy.

That's the game though, unless you want to start running uncoded transactions :warning:warning

I've said it a few times here but in the last 15+ years I have successfully test signed to a CCBill site exactly 0 out of a dozen + times. All different banks, cards and even names.

iFriends took all cards. MTree same. Chaturbate same. iBill got them all no problem before they ran. :1orglaugh

Some people here that run sites on these things should give OnlyFans or similar a try because it's insanity.

Hey any Only Fans info you could send my way would be much appreciated. I am starting some Only Fans accounts for 2020. :)

paul discussing content quality is like the blind discussing colors...

Sweet jebus, are we still discussing this?

Please explain how a paysite can operate with only $125 of content.

So you had customers who had bought content on your site?

Then sold them to another site with content on their site.

You chose the site to sell customers to because it was the best to sell them to, made you the most money or the first you found and couldn't be bothered to look more because traffic is king and you're a genius!!!

Despite affiliates attempts to prove they are the greatest and the porn Internet couldn't survive without them the truth is different.

Affiliates do no more than suggest to surfers where to go, if they do send them to the join page they can only do that honestly with content from the site.

They don't create traffic, the people are already looking for porn. If there were 1% of affiliates there would be no less surfers looking for porn. In fact today the most traffic is on sites that rely very little on affiliates. Has traffic dropped in the last 10 years? Since the introduction of Tubes affiliates earn a lot less from suggesting porn sites today.

Content was always king, from the days of Newsgroup, to TGPs to today's Tubes surfer go to places that have content. They're not looking to be herded around by anything else but content. The idea that they're sheep to be sent where the affiliates decide is stupid. Any shepherd who loses 46 out of 47 sheep would be sacked. That doesn't include the people who look at a sample or page and reject it without clicking a link.

For over 20 years ratios have told you how good affiliates are. 1 in 200 means 199 out of 200 didn't buy when sent by these geniuses to the sites. Maybe as many as 999 didn't anything by going to the next promotion.

The reason is simple, the people see what's offered and didn't like it. It wasn't good enough, free is better and does the job, they don't trust the person suggesting the site or the site, etc.

So no excuses that you convert 1 in a 1,000 because 999 don't like porn, don't have credit cards, etc.

So tell us why so few buy porn when there are so many surfing porn sites. You must have a better answer than mine.

the affiliates you are talking about are dead like the biz-model that helped you to survive.

i am right now in bangkok at AWAsia and from the 3500 participants around 3000 have "affiliate" on their badge. I spoke to quite a few in the past days and did not find one that owns a website or promotes a pornsite.
but all of them want to buy traffic from pornsites and have huge budgets.

Exactly that.

They don't care what type of traffic as long they can throw scam offers at them.

Porn sites became infected whores who offer unprotected sex for $0 - but still, need your credit card.

scam is what the user sees at scam.

if you talk to someone who is not familiar with our biz he will tell you that the biggest scam are pornsites because he knows that you can download a video and duplicate it at no costs 100 million times - and THIS is the value they see in it.

if a user signs up in a casino he knows that the money he will win or lose you can not produce by copy and paste.

if a user is signing up in a dating plattform he have he hope to get a girl - what is also not producable with copy and paste and if he buys livecam or his next holiday trip he is also aware that this is all nothing you can copy endlessly with just a click.

I was actually here to find advertisers that are not promoting the usual stuff, as I do have more than enough buyers for that. and there are sooooooo many options and nearly ALL of this people do not have a problem to buy the traffic for those products from porn sites.

this idea is not new - I tried that aleaday in the 90s but it was impossible to find this advertisers back than. this is why we all have been forced to sell one and the same product over all those years.
now the market have changed and it brought billions in brandnew revenues.

Social media popularity

We can agree to disagree on this one. Just because the user doesn't understand he is being scammed it doesn't mean he isn't. Many of the high performing offers are misrepresentations of the truth at best, no matter how many in the mainstream affiliate space would prefer not to admit that. It's an inconvenient truth to many, but let's call a spade a spade.

but is that really unusual?

you can buy a pair of jeans that are made from the same people, with the same material in the same factory for a 10th of the price when the brand name is not on it.
is it a scam? i would say yes but a well accepted scam.

but i know what you mean and this is why I am always try to prevent this really ugly stuff and don´t allow to promote it in my network.

but I am pretty sure that we can agree that 99% of the users are seeing the value of a digital product completely different from us.
on the other hand our biz was always selling dreams - and we also know that dreams can´t be sold anymore as soon as they come true.

So show us the mainstream companies advertising on porn sites.

I would love it if you were right. Because bringing on mainstream advertisers would lead to sites being able to afford to produce their own content to publish. Much like TV use to paid for by advertisers. The truth is slightly different. Maybe a few want to test cheap traffic that comes from porn sites, maybe a few want to advertise on 3rd rate free porn sites. Until we see major brands spending huge bucks on the major tubes, you're blowing shit up our asses

Proof would be showing us you're right.

Scams run from showing the few great samples, over selling a site to send people to sites full of crap, to banging cards.

Your business is 100% content driven. Without great content you don't have enough surfers to click on ads, which will only buy from sites with a great product. The fact that you don't have content to sell doesn't mean it's not your most important thing.

Content is King.

Because if you put porn online it will attract billions of surfers to come and consume it. It's a case of if you build it they will come, maybe not to your site but they will come.

That's the way the Internet works. Sites with the best content get the most traffic. Which one of these has bad content https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites which one rips off the user?

Study the Bounce rate, page views and time on site on site of the top porn sites. They've got there by the content they offer, the lack of scams, the honesty of the sites, the fact that they know content is KING.

No surfer goes online to be shunted from site to site by webmasters who think they're in control of them or thinks that they're stupid and that's what we've believed for over 20 years. A conversion rate of 1-1,000 views means we control them, nowadays 1-35,000 on a good sample still makes some (morons) think they're in control of surfers.

Even if you don't have to buy the content, think not using or videos, think content can be found anywhere etc. You're still having to send them to sites with great content if you want to make a living.

what is my advantage if i proof you anything (because it is not US it is YOU who does not know it) ?

I know it and all others here seems to know it as well.
so the only one that do not know how this biz is working is you.

and if you know it or believe or not does not make the world spinning faster.

I give a shit on your opinion as I know how to make money and you do not.
nothing wrong with that.

The problem started early on with paysites bending over backwards to cater for affiliates. 50% rev share, PPS meant the money spent on the core product, the reason surfers were buying the product suffered.

It's very hard to produce good porn on a limited budget unless it's self shot amateur of a great model with the talent to project herself onto the screen. That's not something every girl can do without motivation, direction and someone knowing how to get the best out of her. That's the skill of a pornographer and what separates them from webmasters with a camera.

The problem was from day one few webmasters sought out pornographers and proved they would make more money online than offline. Even though most webmasters would tell you they were making a fortune online and pointing to someone else's site to prove what money was made online. Not one of them could point to their website and prove this is making me $millions. Most of them offered derisory money for content they sold elsewhere for great money.

Today Tubes dominate and unless something drives them out they will continue to dominate. Pre-tubes so many webmasters didn't understand online porn, missed out on a great chance to make money, thought traffic was king, didn't realise the surfer is in control of them and resorted to tricking, scamming or throwing 100,000s of surfers at their sites to make a living and blaming others for their problems.

What is the advantage of proving anything.

A. It proves you're right and not talking out your ass.

B. We all know the major tubes and until mainstream spends money noting will change.

C. It will get you a lot of respect, because so far some mainstream companies have tried a failed on porn sites.

D. It's not my opinion, not what I believe, this isn't a private message everyone can read it.

E. You have a record of blowing shit up people's asses without proof.

F. It would take less time to post the URLs of pornsites with mainstream advertisers on them.

G. This site sells ad space, where are the mainstream advertisers?

H. Why do you avoid proving me to be wrong?

Are those enough reasons for you to prove it or not?

Is this why your entire catalog is selling for 500 bucks ?

Paul, you really are near and dear to my heart, Content was king in porn before the internet, The King is Dead, All Hail the King

The true king in online is processing power and money, money buys the traffic and the content. And merchant processing turns it into more money, wash, rinse, repeat
.

but everybody except you knows it.
why should I explain the quantum theory to a learn resistant?

you know shit as you do not even know how to visit a tube to find out wo is promoting there. you cannot even stop your adblocker alone - so how do you want to check those sites from each location and with every kind of device?

are you aware that a modern adserver is even able to deliver ads for a city or a part of a city?

and i can buy what exactly with your respect?
and do you know HOW MANY THINGS are mainstream?

but WHY should I write for everyone things what they already know?

good - I hope that a lot of people will do the opposite of what I say - that keeps competition away.

as I said: you will not even see the site in all it´s variety because you are unable to understand targeting.

why should I post URLs from the sites I market?
why should I tell anyone who my buyers are?
was that in your "golden times" like that to post things about partners and customers???
I can not remember that it ever was like that.

paul you prove yourself wrong - I do not have to do that.
EVERYBODY here knows that.

NO !

Content is still king. What is all that money used for, to gather, to publish etc so that surfers will come to the sites with the best content.

Yes there are better ways to process, to buy traffic and to get better content. But it all leads back to content. Why do the top sites have the most traffic, because they have the best traffic or because they have the best content.

It's actually because they spend millions of dollars a year on backlinks from affiliate sites starting in 2010 to dominate Google for all the porn terms.

Showing URL isn't quantum physics.

That's why I know how to use VPN. I'm currently on a London one based in the Docklands. So are you telling me that's not a good place to advertise?

Everyone can read your posts this isn't a private message. Others would love to show me mainstream companies on the advertising on the major Tubes. So why haven't they? Because it's only happening in your dreams.

Because no one else is saying I'm wrong. So either you're lying or I'm wrong.

Advertisers don't target London Docklands because no one there buys online?

Who says your buyers? I doubt that you have any, so post some of your competitions ads.

Yes you do, because you're wrong. No one else is showing me these mainstream companies so I'm sticking to the knowledge they only exist in your head.

Because you can't prove you're right.

I would love for porn advertising to get so big that it could allow sites like xvideos, xnxx, etc to sponsor their own porn productions more than they do. So that more porn models and small low cost studios could profit from operating like the big Vloggers on Youtube do. No model makes the money these guys do because the advertising revenue isn't high enough. With mainstream advertising that would change. Mainstream companies have marketing budgets that put to shame porn's marketing budgets.

The problem has always been targeting and what mainstream loses by advertising on porn sites. Sites like Youtube, Tumblr, Stumbleupon, Pinterest, Facebook, restrict it or ban outright because it doesn't make money for them. Could big money advertisers pay top dollar for adverts on porn sites? NO, NO, NO. The loss of reputation would cause more harm than good.

Would small advertisers buy adverts on porn sites? What's the target audience for a guy with his dick in one hand and lube in the other? We need someone who is able to understand targeting to explain that to us. Can Thommy because it's a mystery to everyone here except him.

1. because they have the MOST content
2. because they got the most traffic from the start through embedded videos
3. because they had from the start on a better streaming technology as the most paysites
have.
4. because of 1 and 2 they are the most famous because all world including mainstream media is talking about them
5. because they are FREE
6. because those guys understood that the biggest value is traffic and returning customers and they understood that they will not get this mass when they charge users for watching videos.
7. because with all of that they made that much money that they even can afford to buy more traffic from those who did not understand that you can make much more by giving something free and let the sales work do those who understand it and PAY for doing this hardest part of the job.

why shall i prove the world is round ?

loooooooool - I think you realy do not have the SMALLEST clue of the revenue of such sites. and WHY should the produce content? they are not producers and they do not WANT to be producers.
producers PAY THEM to get their content online there.


paul you are an idiot. you compare apples with coconuts. most of the "influencers" are the same poor idiots as most porn producers are.
and also you will find a lot of unsuccessful amateurs - same as you will find VERY successful ones.

you clown do not even know the difference between image marketing and affiliate marketing.
if you would know that you would know that we are talking from 2 VERY different types of marketing. sure apple will never sponsor a porn video but do you know HOW MANY iphones are sold through affiliate channels on porn sites?

THIS is the reason why it does not make sense to explain you anything because you do not even know how many different forms of marketing are existing.

no it is a mystery to YOU.
a small advertiser can not buy ads on a good porn site because he is not able to compete with all the big ones that are already there.

and if you really believe that a wanker does nothing else than wanking, you are completely wrong.

i will also not explain you what targeting means as you again DO NOT HAVE a clue about it.

do you really believe that billions of revenues that are just running through the top 10 porn ad networks are paid because the advertisement is not profitable?
on what strange planet do you live when you believe that people donate this money ?