Did you see the bounce rate and time spent on the site? No, because you ignore what surfers do of their own accord and always think you're in control. Do the Google algorithms now favour sites that don't see surfers coming straight back? Do you stay or return to a site that's no good? So why do you expect others to?

Google just gathers huge numbers of surfers then sends them to the sites that match the search words. The surfer makes the decision where, how long to stay and whether to consume. All the money Tubes spends comes eventually from content sales.

A bad site needs more traffic than a good site. And there's your problem.

From 1997 or was it 1996 pornographers were selling online and we all told the same story. Sales were low, prices offered laughable and it was only a secondary market, offline was where the money was.

When approached by webmasters they were offering deals where they got all the content and went off and did what they liked with it and sent us some rev share deal or laughable money. We all had access to models, skills and knowledge how to get the best out of them, Gonzo shooters weren't scared to show their faces, equipment, staff, time, money and a huge inventory of content for updates. We were constantly shooting so new content was coming all the time. Plus we could tweak our content to suit styles. Very, very few were employed by publishers and all it took was for webmasters to prove the money was online.

But it's all over now as Tubes dominate and have most of the traffic which produce a fraction of the money of old. How many here make a 100% living from their own porn sites or selling other porn sites. Pre-Tubes most were making a living, some can retire on their income from porn. :1orglaugh

You still don't get it. They keep the surfers they get, look at the bounce rate, look at the return rate, look at the time spent on the site. If they weren't the best for porn surfers they wouldn't be getting that. Even if all porn traffic landed on their sites, the surfer isn't to be led like sheep they will go where they want to.

1. Why do they have the most content?
2. Why do the have the most embedded videos?
3. How can they afford to have the best streaming technology?
4. Why do the have mainstream media is talking about them?
5. Free is just the start if they were all shit they wouldn't make money.
6. Why do they get people returning?
7. Why do the have all of that they made that much money?

You keep ignoring the main thing. They please the most surfers the best most of time. If they didn't surfers wouldn't stay on their sites. Do you stay on a site that you don't like, doesn't deliver what you want and is wrong for you?

So why do you expect surfers to?

You gave all the reasons a webmaster would, not one you use when surfing yourself.

Bullshit. I'm stating you're lying, prove me wrong.



If mainstream advertises on porn tubes the cost of clicks would rise or not? There's a finite number of ads to be shown before they lose their effectiveness. So a rise in Ad profits can only come from a higher price for clicks or more surfers clicking on them. Will mainstream pay more?

I'm assuming they will, then having Channels of scenes from good models or good studios would be a boost to traffic. That's why Tubes would sponsor or pay more. If there's no more money with mainstream advertising it makes no difference.

So you're saying there's little money in porn, would there be more if mainstream were competing for ad space?

No I don't know how many iPhones are sold through affiliate channels on porn sites. Because you won't show me. Maybe someone else will.

So do tell us what people are on Tubes and porn sites for if it's not to jerk off. Please tell someone who has been in the porn industry 40 years what wankers are doing if not wanking or looking for something to wank over. Maybe they're looking for a good iPhone to buy. :1orglaugh


People are spending $billions on ads because these sites have the best content, then the most surfers. One always precedes the other. If they didn't have the best content, surfers wouldn't stay, wouldn't return and wouldn't see your ads and you wouldn't make any money. Because adverts wouldn't be profitable.

hey old man did you read the link you have posted here?



1 google.com Bounce rate 28.99%
2 youtube.com bounce rate 25.19%
3 facebook.com bounce rate 32.21%
4 baidu.com bounce rate 33.30%
5 twitter.com bounce rate 31.28%
6 instagram.com bounce rate 40.36%
7 xvideos.com bounce rate 26.30%
8 wikipedia.org bounce rate 58.89%

what you want to tell us about bounce rate? that wikipedia is the worst site in the internet?

do you even know what bounce rate means?
it means that a users have left the domain after watching one page.

and what?

if someone is using the video search in google he will probably visit 20 individual domains - watch a movie and leave - is this so impressing for you?

ask them !
ask where the TGPs got the content from and you will be in the near.

you proved here again that you did not even know what i am talking about.

because they make money and started with CAPITAL and a logic idea.


because they are visable and more interesting than you ever was.

heh ???
what a fuck you are talking about. alone pornhub makes over 30 million adrevenue per month, you troll.

because obviously they like it.

because the business model works in opposite to yours.

so you think they would survive with the 10 videos you might call "good"
you have really no idea what internet is.


but you see that surfers DO IT - what are you fucking talking about ?

I don´t even know if this sentence of you makes any sense but i don´t "surf" on pornsites - i analyze them

here we go again - you prove again and again that you do not have a clue where the price for an ad comes from.

the measure is quite simple as it is a competition that is going on.
the one that can make more out of it can pay more than others and receives
the most traffic.

as long as porn sites could only promote porn the limitation was at the maximum what can be made with this products.

now let´s say a casino makes an average of 5000 dollar on each customer in average they can simply pay more than a porn paysite that have an average of 200 dollar per user.

and now imagine that there are in the meantime buyers for whatever and they are smart enough to know that the contact to a buyer who will buy whatever in hislifetime is much more valuable as the first sale. he can even run without profit on this first sale and push all profits back into the bid.
maybe today this gay sells a datingoffer but next month he will sell the same user his next holidays or his new computer.

what do you think will happen with the price?

if you believ it or not - the VERY best traffic comes from sites with no content at all.
parking sites i.e. have HUGE results but unfortunately just very very few visitors.

I NEVER said there is little money in porn. YOU are the one that tells us here month for month that porn is dead.

today we make a multiple with free porn as to sell porn.
porn-users do not only wank.

you won´t believe it anyway and if I would start to tell you that there are people that are paying advertising on pornsites to give iphones for free you will believe it less.

so tell me what people doing on weather sites? buying thermometers?
tell me what people are buying on a recipe site ? cooking pots?
tell me what people are buying on fun video sites? jokes?

you will never understand that a wanker is a consumer.
and BECAUSE many of you old clowns did not understand that you are all fucked by life.

I think you have never watched a tube.
and I think you have never in your life seen analytics stats from a tube and usage of single videos that have such a bad quality that you can buy the licence for less than 1 dollar.

your mind is focused on a group of people that are thinking EXACTLY like you.
unfortunately this group is smaller than 0,0001% of all possible buyers.
where you end up when you focus on just this group we have all seen.
if you want to focus on the mass you need everything for any kind of taste. good, bad, fat, slim, cute, ugly, young old etc.....

and if a user wanks on fat, old ugly women - he will be hungry after that and calls the burger delivery when he sees the banner next to the video.
and if he is in gambling mode he will possibly join a casino or make a spots bet but maybe he just want to win an iphone, get a loan or he will join the dating site with a lot more fat, old, ugly ones.
right now we are selling a lot of winter tires in the german market and you know what? I can not tell you what kind of porn a users likes that needs winter tires. but i am sure YOU KNOW.

:1orglaugh

As we speak I am working on a site that will spend $0 on content, promote multiple offers and make money.

The claim that I need to spend big bucks since tubes fucked us all is so lol hilarious but more so coming from Paul.

So start a tube, numbnuts. As you said it's simple. :1orglaugh

Compare it with porn sites bounce rates.



They still have content, where they get it doesn't matter.


Answer my question.

Yes they have the capital, why would anyone give them the capital if they couldn't get the traffic and then the return on that content. You keep ignoring the fundamental reasons they are the biggest porn sites.



What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Do they talk about you?


Have you seen their accounts? So show them to us.



Now you get it. This is the only reason for all of your reasons they're the biggest.



Again what the fuck does that have to do with it?



what are you fucking talking about?



Look mat the average time people spend on the site.



Apart from saying surfers like the sites, you analyse them as a webmaster. I analyse as a salesman and marketing man. I look at why people stay, return and how that leads to the place they have in the industry. You analyse the tools they use. Anyone can use those tools, what separates the top tubes from the others is what I analyse.

Where you send the traffic, will that have zero content and nothing to sell?

Be sure to show us the site when it's finished. It has to be so wonderful no one can copy it because you're so marvellous.

The price would sky rocket. But as you said "imagine" this proves you're dreaming. If you're not dreaming showus the casinos advertising on porn sites getting customers who spend an average of $5,000. 1-5,000 means each click is worth $1, deduct all the other costs, winners, losers, website, marketing etc. Then the price for click for the site comes crashing down.



Andmthese sites send people to sites with no content?



I never ever will say porn is dead, today we have more surfers on porn sites than ever before, it's just that so many get it for free.
So tell us what else is porn for if not to jerk off, get a sexual lift, maybe the drama, Please tell us all so we can all learn. pathos, comedy, horror or just to while away on those rainy afternoons? :1orglaugh



That's possible as people give away prizes. But are they advertising iPhones on porn sites?



They're looking at the weather, looking for recipes and could need cooking pots, etc. So show us the ads where mainstream advertise on porn sites. So far all you do is talk big while wasting time when it would be much easier to show me the sites that have mainstream adverts on them. I've surfed a lot of porn sites and to date the only mainstream I see is a few dating sites and gambling sites. The majority is porn being sold to porn viewers. I turn off my ad blockers, use a VPN with different locations buy mainstream items on my computer and phone, see loads of mainstream ads everywhere else. But not on porn sites and so far no one else has chipped in with a URL to prove me wrong.


A site like a top Tube doesn't get to be a top tube because it only has $1 videos.



So show us the Burger, Tyre, Loan ads on porn sites. No need for the Dating or Gambling sites as we all know they dabble in the porn market.

Thommy told us
So will they spend that money on porn sites and give the porn sites a boost in revenue. Or not?

He announces it like it's big news, then tells us it's already happening even when I tell him I don't see much proof. Yes we know dating and casinos spend money so nothing new there.

Will they advertise on porn tubes or JSWENSON site with no content and send the traffic to their sites with no content. Just because these two people don't use their content to make money doesn't mean it's not King, just they're not using content to send people to site with content, even if it's a dating site. The content is the 10,000 or more people on the sites.

Content is what people want online, what drives them and makes them eventually spend money.

So this show has 3,000 out of 3,500 affiliates that don't own a site of any kind, rather than site owners of brands with sites selling their products/content.

Do so few product owners buy advertising space and leave it to affiliates working on a small % to make it work for them? Or is it just this show?

Also imagine an affiliate who finds a gambling site where the average customers spends $5,000. Advertisers don't analyse customers like that and any marketing man would know this. They want to know where the customer comes from, what type of site sent them, what they income is, the best time to attract them and more.

A type or class of customer who has all the desirable attributes (such as gender, age, location, financial capacity, lifestyle, brand affinity, etc.) that increase the possibility of an opt-in or a purchase, (your perfect type of client).

So would that be surfers on a porn tube site spending an average of $5,000 each and paying affiliates the whole amount?

The click rate and sales level would have to be so high Tubes would be spending a lot more to get the best traffic. While making double sure they only get what they want.

I am tired to explain paul the world - can someone else take over the geriatric care ?

Don't you get it? If all the bread makers would stop selling bread for so cheap they'd all get richer. But no, they want to pay the workers a living wage, pay a fair price for ingredients, pay a percent of their profit in rent and electricity. If only all these bread companies would stop catering to cheap bread buyers they could get $10 for bread and everyone would make more. Then these idiots let the store make up to 50% of the sale price while doing none of the bread making.

I made bread in 1980 with the best stones but nobody will pay for my bread because they want the better tasting, better looking, less pretentious bread these companies are just giving away.

TRUTH :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

That is funny as fuck

That Paul is now in here saying that ad buyers know less than him is so perfect. If you can't figure out why you can't win buying ads it's because someone else does it better. Nobody is bidding up the ad buys in bulk to lose money.

And as thommy mentioned, some companies look 40 years into the future. I looked forever for an article on 1-800 Flowers I think it was but when I was in that space and researching Adwords costs their model was to spend something like $40 or $50 to acquire a new customer knowing that they would sell them flowers on multiple holidays over multiple years. They lost their ass on the first sale just like Dollar Shave Club and a million others. Even Facebook and similar use that model, take market share then laugh to the bank. And in the flowers example it might have been multiples higher, was like 15 years ago I had all of that data on hand.

It's also why Paul thinks it's stupid to pay affiliates 50% or a high PPS. He doesn't comprehend the ancillary benefits of owning the site nor does he factor in long term revenue. Hell a lot of companies factored in that once they quit paying affiliates 3 years later they'd cash out X. :1orglaugh

In reality, affiliates and those with traffic dictate the payouts programs have to offer just like the ad buyers dictate how much banner ads cost on a tube. You pay me $5 PPS I'm not sending you a single surfer, $35 and we can talk.

Literally nothing Paul says is based in reality but he says it with such ego and confidence that it cracks me up every single time all these years later.

CAN YOU JERK OFF TO THIS?

https://previews.123rf.com/images/pe...high-heels.jpg

NEITHER CAN WE. IF YOU WANT TO JERK OFF TO REAL GIRLS WHO SHOW IT ALL LIVE ON WEBCAM THEN CLICK HERE.

https://chaturbate.com/accounts/regi...filiate=notyou

There you go Paul. A crash course into monetizing traffic with no high quality content. Linked to join, whole pitch could be a lie. Site could suck, girls could be ugly, webcams could be low resolution or pre-recorded Russian feeds.

Now you too can sell porn, finally.

not true - because when you are seraching for porn in google you will not see this sites in the top 5.

in this really big keys there are sites with NO CONTENT.

search for free porn - result is

1. ixxx - own content = ZERO
2. redporn - own content = ZERO

search for porn

1. fuq - own content = ZERO

search for porn movies

1. ixx - own content = ZERO
2. tiava - own content = ZERO
3. again tiava

the big tubes are not that nailed on the top 10 but they get of course a lot of visitors through the clicks on embedded players that are included in millions of small sites

Eh, they aren't really targeting generic terms hardcore but they do dominate anything more specific no matter how many sites host it.

2)

TUBE SITE, 1 MILLION VISITORS PER DAY. BUY BANNER ADS FOR ONLY $XX PER 1000 IMPRESSIONS. SELL ANYTHING LEGAL.

There you go Paul, now you have two ways to make money in porn without buying high end content or any at all.

paul does not have the very smallest clue of internet marketing as he never did it.
he thinks 50% to an affiliate is too much - but direct buying companies are spending 70-80-90% of their revenue in ads buying.
so the 50% affiliates are actually not overpaid they got fucked because they have send the traffic on their own risk also.

if you really mean pay per sale with "PPS" 35 dollars are peanuts.
someone who can only pay this price must have a conv-rate above the moon or he can not play the traffic buying game.

that´s why you can not see classic member programs with ads because they simply can not pay the price.
whenever you see an ad of a classic membersite in a porn tube it is in exchange for content or the site is owned by the tube owner or you have such a strange location and browser fingerprint that nobody else booked it and you see simply fallback banners.


i have seen really a lot of dumbs in 23 years but paul tops them all. he seems to have a learning allergy or maybe he is really not able to count 1+1 together or he simply need to deny everything for his own ego because to admit would mean to admit that he was not more than any other fool who could make money with no skills in the first few years when internet came up.

I used $35 because it's what programs were paying last I even looked. I am a webcam degenerate that uses Revshare only and I think the 20% there is way more than fair.

they are dominating the video search because at the end it is their chanonical that google finds in the video.
but don´t underestimate this "search tubes" with no own content - they get millions of visitors each day when they are smart onpage SEOed.

if you work with real traffic (and this is what actually everybody should do) revshare is on the long run the most profitable.

CPA was only made for media buyers that need the return fast to invest it again and with this fast reinvest it also makes sense for them.

I'm trying! I'm trying!

I'm not saying ignore things like back links. I'm saying when you get a surfer the thing that keeps him is the content, the thing you sell him onto is the content, the reason he's online is the content. Next in a crowded market it comes down to the quality of the content.

And that's where most of us fell down, we thought cheap mediocre content would do the job if we got the traffic tools right. So point out the proof by showing us the badcontent sites with a lot of surfers on them because they have all the back links and other traffic tools.

I can show you the proof of my argument.

Free sites
xvideos.com
xnxx.com
pornhub.com
xhamster.com
xvideos2.com

Paysites
Brazzers
BangBros
MofosNetwork
RealityKings
Babes Network

Waiting for replies from those who insist it's more about getting the traffic when they prove it by showing the shit sites with great traffic.

We don't need to imagine it, play games with gambling that brings in average $5,000 customers, tell stories of bakers, etc. We can look at the proof and judge.

Will someone quote Thommy if he ever proves mainstream is advertising on porn sites in a bigger way than presently gambling and dating do.

https://previews.123rf.com/images/pe...high-heels.jpg

If this is the limit of what's available the answer is yes. In 1964 the hardest type of porn I could get was girls in bikinis and these.

https://www.whitehotmagazine.com/Use.../PussyToes.jpg

https://erotixx.files.wordpress.com/...8&h=620&zoom=2

You don't think religious social standards has anything to do with that?

1964 :1orglaugh

In the 90s cable tv brought free porn to your home.

you have to give Paul that - nobody makes threads with more views than he does currently.

that he sacrifices whatever could have been his legacy over that is a different topic but then again: what do you care what people think about you when you are dead.

Paul got me to post on GFY again :thumbsup

[QUOTE=JSWENSON;22574214]CAN YOU JERK OFF TO THIS?

https://previews.123rf.com/images/pe...high-heels.jpg

That's actually not too bad. Brings back memories of jerking off to the bra and panties section of my mother's Simpson Sears catalogue

Fun Fact: one of Olivia's models became the pornstar Norma Jeane, who yes resembled Marilyn Monroe. I had a MAJOR crush on this all-natural blonde back in the day. Not sure if the bottom pic is her but that's the "type".

paul is a traffic generating machine. Always has been. And the questions and answers are always the same...for the last freeking 20 years.

I wanna know why I can't successfully post a you tube link here. I highlight the link, hit the wrap youtube tags option...and this happens. Help.

And yet Paul claims to NOT know how to generate traffic.

Irony.

I know how to generate traffic. You submit something people want to consume, they come. What I find difficult and a poor reward versus what I did do was drive the huge numbers it takes to sell porn.

It doesn't matter why, we still jerked off to the sexiest thing we could find. Today we are given a huge amount of porn for free, so we jerk off to it and few pay.

People still think it's traffic that makes people buy, it just takes 10,000s to sell something.

Where would you submit that, somewhere with traffic? :1orglaugh

And porn doesn't take huge numbers to sell. The numbers you are using are inflated by design. A banner ad on the side of a video is not targeted traffic. The end.

I would love it if mainstream advertising came in and competed on price for clicks. Because if it leads to a sharp rise in the price Tubes will have to think long and hard at what they do to attract more unique surfers.

The obvious way to do that is to launch exclusive channels. The only place you can consume Mindgeek's content for free would be on a MG Tube for instance. Because MG own MG content. They would have to extend these offers to other companies, keeping their banners so keeping sign ups, and paying them more per view.

It all depends on the price people are ready to pay for clicks, at the moment it's nt enough, can it climb? Then it's down to attracting the traffic.

Once more Content drives traffic, not the other way around.