Because nobody would have stolen all Paul approved content and got us here with no money in our pockets. :1orglaugh

It's hard to jerk off to videos that cost you more than 20 hookers while making $0. :1orglaugh

thank you, but sorry man, too young and healthy to retire

don't want to end up bored and waste my time trolling people on GFY :thumbsup

Fact : Stolen content that gets traffic proved beyond a doubt to be the king.

:1orglaugh

Great content + traffic will give you more money, better traffic, better conversions, better retention, etc.

Only the traffic is king crew are talking about no traffic. The rest of us know you have to have both. It's down to what you can afford and that's why content is king.

Let's talk affordability and what good professionals will work for.

Let's set the bar at $2,000 profit a day without over working the models, crew, equipment, location, props, etc. That allows the content producers to produce good content that's fresh, different and of a porn quality surfers will buy. 3 scenes for solo girl, 2 for GG or BG.

Which sites paid enough to clear $2,000 profit a day on exclusive? Covering all the models, crew, equipment, location, props, etc costs? There were sites that did pay that much, but they had content creators as partners and rarely bought in.

Once you get into the Private, Hustler, Wicked, Vivid, Penthouse, etc end of the business costs sky rocket. But the number of surfers who will pay for that end will also sky rocket because the number of suppliers dwindle. Unlike the solo girl end of 5 scenes for $1,500 which is flooded.

Jeff can you convert more with better content than crap content? So why aren't you, with your traffic skills, shouting the benefits of better content? Can you afford to buy sites out, fora decent price, without asking them to work with you to make money? Take Old Jeff's Money

Free content is something most sites can manage. The problem is getting enough to make a mark because content isn't free. Someone somewhere has to pay for it.

Today's problem is Tubes have so much content given to them by desperate sites there's little money left to make anything much worth paying for. When was the last time you saw great porn, apart from a few sites? We just churn out the same old repeat of the last scene we did and expect people to believe it's great.

you talk about 10 years ago.
today nobody have to steal content. it is cheap enough to buy a few hundred or a few thousand szenes every month. and we do not talk yet from the thousands of free clips with watermark that are given from paysites.
these paysites even pay people to upload that stuff to the tubes.

so why should anybody lose time with stealing content?

Watching everyone in the industry cry and fight and sue and threaten about tubes when they took off was pathetically sad. It's not like we didn't have the DMCA to read or YouTube to look at for how things would be handled in the courts. So many people here ruined their businesses fighting the inevitable veraciously for zero good reason.

Remember those sites that charged to send bulk takedown notices? :1orglaugh

And Paul was here cheering on those idiots all along the way.

Tube sites make me money.
Google makes me money.
Affiliates make me money.
Ad buys make me money.

Paul Markham does not make me money.

Lesson: follow the money.

I can tell you what's NOT King. Middlemen. The content (models) and the traffic (customers) are now doing their own thing directly... While this gibberish is happening on a dying porn board.

Promoting dating, pills, sexshops or games solves that problem.

Hello,
Who is the king ? Content vs Traffic ? None of them.
"MARKETING is the king".
How ? If your content is good, you are more likely to push your product more aggressively because now you believe in your product :)
More aggressive marketing results in more traffic.
First focus on great content, then believe in it.
Results will follow.

Regards.

When did this person join? Because if in past month things for gfy are gonna get exciting. Can't see on phone and middlemen took my desktop.

exactly !

and there are a lot more things that can be sold through porntubes. and because they are MUCH more profitable as a porn membersite they can also pay a much higher price for a click.

what paul does never understand is that a tube is not in porn biz just because they show porn. they are in publishing biz and they sell traffic to the highest bidder (wich are definitely NOT the porn member sites).

marketing is not a believe. marketing is a mix of research, interpretation, communication and comparison. advertising activities and sales are only 2 things that end a long chain of marketing activities and measures.

but basically you are right. marketing is the king of all but marketing starts already before you decide with what you want to make money.

Explain what you sell to us. I think you will find Tubes, Google, Affiliates, Ad buys are just tools to get surfers to look at your content.

both are king

The type of content most models can create and put out on their own is low level porn and all the same. The few that do stand out do make money, real money, the rest make pin money.

You're right when you say "If your content is good" yes if it's good it will need less marketing to sell a scene than a bad scene.

Try pushing bad content by just using some of the tools lauded here. You'll fail no matter how great you are.

This type of traffic is different from free tube traffic.Users already wants this type of
content.THose clicks have much better views to sales ratio.


Free tube traffic is far away from targeted affiliate traffic.
Tube sites are like radiostations.You listen to a song and maybe you buy later the whole
album. 35k to 1 sale is nice.

Wrong. I can track my trafficsources (where users come from) and if site 123564.com
or keyword blablabla converts with faketaxi, i´ll pay for ads and send more from this source/keywords.
My roi will be much higher.

You are mixing up here a lot Paul.

He just does not understand or refuses to admit.

Paul is from an era where everything sold with minimal effort and middlemen easily got rich. Quit before the era we are in now. Which means he knows jack shit about what is actually going on now, and keeps trying to apply 2 era ago logic to an entirely new ballgame.

The people have spoken (models & customers). They'd rather deal with each other directly and generally don't give a single iota of a fuck about anybodies superficial cookie cutter big budget porn productions anymore.

Marketing is King and social media is God in this industry these days.

These poor girls that don't have the professional touch of a perverted old fuckhead contributing to them getting herpes.

https://i.redd.it/hq78dux45m441.jpg

this made me chuckle

See Paul HERE is where your entire attitude is fucked up. YOU - and only YOU - can tell what is "good porn" vs. "bad porn". Again, judging by your own work you are not in a position to comment on ANYONE'S porn quality.

But aside from that: you obviously do not understand what is "good porn". Amateur models, hot porn stars, housewives, fetishists - there is "quality" in all that. And there is crap, too. But the genre matters not.

So whenever you go on and on about content and how shitty it all is - and ONLY the "good porn makes money - you show your ignorance, bias, arrogance and cluelessness.

Carry on. :)

Another thread with a great topic ruined again by Paul creating it for the sake of arguing.

Jesus christ dude, just stop. Every reply you show how out of touch you are, and why you're a failure.

Tell us what kind of content people want to consume isn't on Tubes? The problem today is all the major and average niches are on Tubes being consumed by your customers.



And maybe you don't buy later. Once upon a time we didn't give porn away and people had to buy there and then. There are mire people consuming porn today, but fewer pay for it.


If you had a great product, you would buy traffic. We agree on something. The problem is getting the great product that other people are not giving a similar product away for free. Because a similar product does the trick.

Do you agree everything is content driven first with traffic following the content.

So you're saying the "Amateur models, hot porn stars, housewives, fetishists, etc" side of the business is as popular as the mainstream. Thank you for your insight into how narrow minded you are.

The way you think I define good porn couldn't be more wrong. Yes only good porn makes money, because surfers reject bad porn in large enough numbers to make the production of it pointless. Then there's poor porn where them production of it ensures the producer can't run a decent size business. Mostly where you find site owners unable to make enough money to employ professionals in fields where they lack the skills.

You make a lot of money, why not employ a good content producer to create great content instead of you doing it yourself.

Are you saying all the models creating their own porn are doing great?

I said some are but most aren't. Then it comes down to what we decide is a decent income.

One or two girls making 6 figures doesn't mean everyone does.

completely agree but there is also another thing that paul does not understand:
you can find a few billion of porn consumers out there but only a fraction of them is and was a porn buyer.

entertainment is just setting the kind of entertainment a user wants but it is not really the product. no hollywood production would ever be produced when cinema rights are the only income.
the big mass of money comes by time when they go to free tv where are millions of products are sold through advertising to the mass that will never spend a dollar for cinema.

he also missmatch things like ATTRACTING visitors and MONETIZING those visitors.
every visitor is a consumer, no matter if he likes HQ teens or LQ selfies with ugly fat ones. actually both kind of consumers are consumers for all and everything and you can not even say that one that likes LQ selfies from ugly fat ones would not be able to buy a ferrari.

he is still nailed on the 0,26% of the budget that porn visitors are spending for porn.
he does not see the 99,74 % that nobody touched before.
I do not say that we ever get much from that but if we get just 1-2% of this 99,74 we are talking about BILLIONS that are more in the pot.

wich one that worked with you made 6-figures ? or even 5-figures?

Not the ones he paid 10 Euro for a shoot.

This thread is like playing chess with a pigeon.

No matter what strategy you use for a good game, the pigeon just knocks over the pieces and shits on the board

Don't go from "King of Trolls" to "King of Fools", Paul . . .

The one's we paid $500+ a day and booked them for many days did.

You employed our make up artist after I sacked her for dishonesty, you also booked girls after we had shot them. So you know what we paid models.

Which one of these sites is a top site because of the traffic you drive and which one a top site because of the content it has?

Please explain why traffic is king and content not.

Remember, never take content / website / traffic advice from someone with no traffic, a shitty website and content like this.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050524...kham-teens.php

The problem is so many here can't produce great content in today's or yesterday's market. They can only drive traffic and therefore for them traffic is not only king it's also queen, prince and the royal family.

I couldn't drive traffic and spend my days shooting content. The fact that most here think I should have done both shows how high they aimed. Do they not believe a content producer should produce content and a traffic guy should drive traffic. Obviously not as one only has to look at the number of affiliates who think one can.

How many traffic guys could afford to buy exclusive content for their own sites and promote their own sites 100% or nearly?

How many content guys could afford to buy exclusive content for their own sites and get affiliates to drive traffic for them?

Ask Porn Geek he knows loads of them.

Therefore for the industry Content is King.

or maybe she didn't like working with you?

don't even know who you mean, we employed dozens over the years, 90% of them I never even met

great is what users like and come.
and if it is free 10000 time more will come.


nobody ever said that you had to do both. in fact it makes a lot of sense to concentrate in the things you can do best.
what DOES NOT MAKE SENSE is that you try to teach us the job that you do not understand and this is: HOW TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE WITH PORN (wich does not ultimately mean with SELLING porn)

WHY should anybody do that?
they are investing the money they made with cheap and free content in a new house or a new ferrari.

??????? I don´t know what you want to say with that but THIS is how business was done in your good old days. affiliates could not sell anything else than porn. there was nothing else.


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you are still talking about selling porn. this time is passed - we give it for free and make a lot more as those little peanuts from porn member sites, that are not even able to adapt modern marketing needs.

As for me I have a different business model Paul. I do not shoot myself anymore but prefer to find Producers who have content they are either not using or monetizing or find non-English content that I can promote in the English-speaking territories. This way I keep production costs at zero but my profit is 100%. :) Yes it's a different way of doing things BUT I have survived and grown this way for a decade so I am not about to stop now. :)


All that you say is true Thommy BUT not all of us have the resources or interests in selling non-porn on porn sites. I do not own a cam company, or a dick pill company. And I am not an affiliate trying to promote these products. Nor am I interested in 60k monthly ad buys to get a 4% return (or even 10% return) selling fake dating memberships or sex video games.

So while you are correct - everyone is a customer - this does not help those of us who only sell one or two porn products. From your perspective, being essentially a middleman who profits from selling ad space on websites, you welcome all comers with money (as you should). :) But for those of us who are porn people (selling porn, shooting porn, etc) your arguments that tubes make great money selling dick pills and video games does not really apply to us. We have two different perspectives here.

But yes, when it comes to "quality porn" that is so subjective it's a joke to discuss what's "quality". :)

I think you totally missunderstood my point.

there IS still a market for porn - but it will not feed all of us.
this biz did not SEEM to go down because of tubes or anything.
it was the simple maths of supply and demand.

if you have at the end of the day more people that want to sell porn as people that want to buy porn it will not work.

so the natural thing that happend is that there are still a few that sell porn and can live from it. the others gave the traffic in hands of someone who is able to make money.
these are the advertisers and professionals media buyers,

they do not care where a buyer comes from and they have the skills to lead them even from porn to buy stuff that have nothing to do with the supply and demand I was talking about.

and this will hardly work without the middle men (except you have a site with really TONNS of traffic). trafficbuyers always look for big numbers and only competition between many smart trafficbuyers brings the price for advertising to where it´s value is.

these are the people that test everything on every site and on THEIR RISK. no webmaster is able to test that much and he will also never have this much traffic that he can receive the payouts that a big buyer receives.

I have many many examples from publishers who thought they are doing great when they made 5000-10.000 per month. with competition on this traffic they make usually twice as much and don´t have a risk or spend a lot of time in testing things.

but at the end of the day this ADDITIONAL money is made through porn consumers.
and believe me - with 5 dollars you make with selling porn you can´t buy more than with 5 dollars you made with other products.

THIS is actually what made the market bigger for the same people that lived from porn only before.

I have never said there there are no buyers for porn - but in compare to the size of the biz and in compare to the traffic this biz is generating, porn is just a small part inside a much bigger variation of income sources.

I was just looking today in the revenues of a very big and well known livecam company.
they made in 2001 (when they where unique) the same revenue as they made in 2018.
but in 2018 they had 100ds of big competitors.

so from their point of view the market stuck..
but in the reality it is 100 times more than it was than - just shared through much more market participants.

even under the stupid assumption that paul would be right, the same thing would happen with the HQ market.
if HQ is the key - EVERY BODY would try to do it this way.
but this market is limited and the cake would be shared through too many people.
too few to live and still too much to die.
this is not what I call a biz.

Ahh yes, the good old days... I fondly remember going into my local newsagent and glancing up at the top shelf... Although the mags were expensive, the fact that the newsagent put a gun to my head and forced me to buy was scary at first, but I got used to HAVING to buy it every time I entered the store.

Sometimes I would just go in for a pack of cigarettes and come out with nearly £300.00 of magazines, because I HAD to buy it... With that gun pointing at my head, I had no choice... :(

I Didn't even want them, so I tore them all into small pieces and distributed the pieces on wasteland as sort of an erotic jigsaw puzzle for people to find, but that's another story...

Would of been nice to have had a choice, but hey ho... No such luck... But It was the good old days... What ya gonna do, eh?

http://i.penisbot.com/p/paul-markham...4205557/01.jpg

Professionally shot. Professional props like that "teen" inspired watch. Realistic room, natural pose, wonderful lighting.

vs amateur hour.

https://i.imgur.com/vj9RJUV.gif

https://i.redd.it/aorq1u3dgpp21.jpg

https://i.redd.it/ssn2my9vmej31.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yRuf01z.jpg

https://i.redd.it/bge4lccp5aw31.jpg

https://gfycat.com/MadMagnificentLark

The answer is still the same. Traffic is king.

You can have the best content in the world, but if you don't have the traffic to sell it no one will ever see it. At the same time, you can sell crappy content to the masses if you have enough traffic.

Those top sites grew on traffic . . . Demand bettered the quality of that content.

You shouldn't post chat sales in a traffic or content thread. Chat sales do not require content, nor traffic... just chat affiliates. And with the $35 fee associated with each chargeback... it's getting really ugly.

On what planet is chat traffic not traffic?

Cost of doing business.