A few years ago we use to get Mormon teams visit our house - they were sent there because my wife's mother was Mormon and was attempting to convert us. As a general rule of thumb only known to me I would only stand at the door and talk to the really hot missionary girls - and they often moved them around from town to town regularly and stayed at the same house to avoid relationships. Most of the girls were watched closely never to get involved with anyone - but I swear only a few smiled and talked with me when I told them that I worked in porn. Outside of that - when others visited a month or two later - oddly enough my revelation never seemed to make it in the notes only that I was pleasant to talk to wrote one or two of the female missionaries LOL

I spent a month in Provo, Utah near BYU in July 2020 and I've never felt more embraced by a community in my life. As I mentioned in your other thread, I'm highly recruited by the gay and Mormon communities, probably because I look like an alter boy, as one of my teenage friends nicknamed me. I didn't tell anyone too specifically the kind of work I'm involved in, for obvious reasons.

One night I went to one of the very few bars (drinking my OJ, cranberry and soda water mocktail) they had in Provo and began shooting pool. Within a few minutes a few people joined me and we began talking. We started having the usual conversations like where are you from, what are you doing in town and such.

I just went right ahead and told them I'm looking for a wife. They didn't laugh or seem too surprised. One of the guys just nodded, smiled and said, "that's smart, Mormon women are great!". Then he began talking about his life history (I think he grew up in Cali and was of Latino descent) and how we was raised by a Mormon family and he is incredibly grateful for them because in his younger years he was involved in gangs and credited his adopted family for saving his life.

Most days while in Provo, I went to the Rec center which was the nicest sports/gym facility I've ever been to. Everything was in top-notch condition. It had 4 full-sized indoor basketball courts, indoor and outdoor Olympic sized swimming pools, weight room, running track suspended above the ground floor and water slides/park for the kids. I've never seen so many white dudes that could dunk a basketball in my life or how they would all play as a team for that matter. I couldn't believe how courteous and wholesome everybody seemed.

You'll hardly see anybody smoking or have any tattoos. It's like the Jim Carey movie, The Truman Show, complete with the white picket fences.

You just get this feeling like this is how we're supposed to live. Everybody seemed happy and genuinely cared about others' well-being. The young women would have aerobics type classes by the weight room area and I definitely liked what I saw. I plan on returning there in a few month after I launch my new business.

They have a saying "modest is hottest" and they really don't like to flaunt their wealth. It's like they don't want to hurt the feelings of anyone less fortunate than they are.

I would say they thought you were gay based on what you were drinking. WTF is this post??? :helpme:error

Talking about spending time in so and so in 2020?

If you hadn't noticed, I created this thread on 05-25-2020, 2 months before my trip to Utah to conduct reconnaissance.

I quit drinking alcohol the Christmas before my trip to Utah and don't always want to drink water at restaurants/bars/clubs. I used to drink Crown Royal or Maker's Mark on the rocks. Here in Mexico, my go to drink is Lemonade (made with limes) con (with) mineral (mineralized soda water).

Based on your toon avatar holding a bottle of Jagermeister with title of 'So Fucking Fabulous', you are an obese alcoholic in denial. :2 cents:

Yes because it's always a good idea to base assumptions on toons that were made in 2006 :1orglaugh

So you've slimmed down since then?

Well I'm glad you had that experience. For me it was just after my divorce and I was one of the few men in Canada that actually won custody over 2 kids. Now that being said - I needed a nanny who could manage the house - kids (not in school) while I worked. I was never looking for a wife - never wanted one. Yet the kids fell in love with her and after a while with her caring/love they even started calling her mom. That took my attention.

She came from a Mormon background (and before anyone says it she wasn't grooming them) - my kids really had a difficult biological mother and must have for me to get custody. So - with all being said - I got married for the kids so they would grow up in a balanced home with loving parents who raised them. Now it's 5 kids all together and after 11 years of marriage still going strong.

It took me a few months talking to my dad and two advisors I keep in my life to assist me from making stupid moves and they were all in agreement.

Look I may not have much to offer the world in total - but if anyone asks the reason why I should rest in peace I merely have to look at the balanced - well being and loved children I have and I know that's enough

Pure gold! Thank you for posting this. Every man should print this out, laminate it and hang it on their bedroom wall as a reminder. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Not being an alcoholic myself I did have a recovering one as a roommate for several years, plus being in the music industry in New York in the '90s I certainly knew a few dozen. So I say this with love and respect to anyone in recovery: the #1 thing you have to watch out for - and this, I think, is the OP's issue with getting those "10 pack abs" - is something called symptom substitution.

Symptom substitution is where you simply swap out one addiction for a supposedly healthier one, like going to the gym. Often it shows up with smoking, or taking drugs (meds), or eating (getting fat after rehab is common), etc. So you may still be addicted but you have simply switched that addiction to another substance albeit a healthier one.

Also: find a partner who doesn't drink and has never had any substance abuse issues.