So if there's no irrefutable evidence that masks make things worse, don't you owe it to yourself, and the people around you, to wear one? What's the worst that could happen?

Geeezzz letting other people telling you what to think seems like it's not working out for you.

So here's some crazy old fashion ideas that probably won't work but if you're bored you can try anyway.

• How about educating yourself?
  You can look up the numbers and then do the math.

• The maybe if you're feeling bold and not too mentally exhausted..
  You can use your brain to come to your own conclusions based on the math you just did.

I know such suggestions sound like foolishness. You see I'm an old man and therefore probably senile. So I have these CRazY nostalgic ideas from the 1940s that it's better to use your own brain and to think for yourself.

The anecdote you refer to. I be more specific below.

See Miami's curve here:
https://www.google.ca/search?ei=XE1a...4dUDCAw&uact=5

Miami mandated masks indoors April 9th.
https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2...2020-masks.asp

As you can see on the graph, cases were unchanged after the mask law. So masks didn't diminish the case count.

Then, with masks still mandated indoors, they mandated them outdoors July 2nd.
https://www.bizjournals.com/southflo...rd-county.html

So you would think that cases surly would go down especially after mandating them since April. But as you can see on the graph again they started going up mid-June (nothing to do with the July 4th weekend). They were already going up with masks mandated indoors. Cases shouldn't be going up but they are. Then masks were mandated July 2nd outdoors and they stayed high until the end of July.

If masks worked then cases should have gone down in April. But they stayed the same.
They definitely shouldn't have gone up the way they did in June.

Every country, state or area has similar curves regardless of how hard you lock down or wear masks. Just look at Peru - highest deaths per capita with an insane and inhumane lock down and mask mandate vs other areas with no masks, lighter lock downs and less cases and deaths.




Yes they did okay. But why did cases spike if they were wearing masks? They should have at least gone down a little.

This is speculation. And your math is wrong. The USA has 6.8 million cases reported. Japan at 73k ... so their cases per capita is much lower.

But still they were all wearing masks and still had a spike of cases in July. If masks worked that should not happen.

If masks worked we should be able to measure it.

https://www.google.ca/search?ei=_09a...UDCAw&ua ct=5

And plenty against. I could cite a page full.

One of my close friends got it, he was healthy one day and the next day he got super sick and now he's recovering, also saw someone die from it in my neighborhood

LOL ... I think you're funny. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful manner.

I do think for myself. I get other people's opinions and expertise then make my own decisions. That's what I meant.

I'm not saying to ask for justification. I'm saying wearing the same mask all the time when in wherever is disgusting. Masks don't do shit. Friend works in a warehouse. Doors all open, fans blowing like crazy, all wearing masks, half of the workers (around 20) just got the shit bug over a 4 day period and had to go home for 1 to 3 days because it was so bad. Again, all wearing masks. They did not get the shit bug through their eyes.

Rest of your comments are dumb. No need for reply :2 cents:

In addition to this I have a friend who is partially blind. He replies on lip reading for the most part.
Since everyone now wears masks be is feeling depressed and suicidal as he doesn't think he can communicate.

Did his condition exist pre-corona?

I've had a few affiliates with it. As well as a few coworkers family members.

Obviously. He could read lips before. Now he can't. Sucks to be him.

The general consensus for those against masks is the lives of those with pre-existing conditions don't matter and they can just stay home like a pussy.

He doesn't have pre-exisitng conditions apart from being hard of hearing. He is very fit and healthy..

You can't figure it out? What do you think happens?

A blind person that relies on lip reading?

Freudian slip

Everything is normal here...

Sorry America's answer to DVTimes, I don't recall asking "what happens". I did however ask if masks were mandatory in pubs in the Czech Republic.

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https://twitter.com/SECAmb_Danny/sta...71390107361285

You know the old saying? Opinions are like assholes in that everyone has one.

So let me say something from my generation.
There are 2 kinds of opinions

• 1) Opinions that you earned the right to have
  IE: Those are the opinions that you did your own research and now hold from a position of knowledge

• 2) Opinions that have been given to you by other people
  IE: A bunch of assholes told you what they think and now you believe similarly

Have any of these NOBLE mask wearers stopped to think about what they're doing to children?

• Today's children are being flooded with a message of fear and death.
• They're being constantly told that people are dangerous and to stay away from everyone.
• That at any given moment they might come in contact with a virus and die.
• Or they might accidentally cause someone else to die.

I willing to be that in 10 years we're going to see an unimaginable suicide rate among the young. If they're lucky they might only suffer from depression or become social morons.

All because a bunch of scared cowards felt it was more important to wear a mask and lie to themselves that they're being noble. That they're protecting old bastards, such as myself, from death.

I have less days ahead of me than I do behind me. Therefore morally, if anyone is going to sacrifice their life for someone else's benefit it's the old people like me.

How exactly do YOU research this? Do you have a lab? Do you document your own trials, crunch the numbers, look at various permutations and scenarios? No? Then everything you said above is absolute claptrap!


Firstly, I'm amazed at how you went from not giving a fuck about anyone but yourself to "I'm thinking about the children". You're probably not allowed with a 100 yards of kids because if you were, you'd know that they aren't delicate little flowers like yourself. I've seen kids remind their parents about social distancing when out in public.

You bandy the word coward around when the reality is you're afraid of a small piece of cloth over your nose and mouth. People aren't being asked to wear masks to be noble; that's an absurd look at the situation. They're being asked to wear them to prevent the spread of a virus. That's not nobility, that's preservation.

Just because your best days are behind you doesn't give you the right to put at risk the people who actually want to come out the other side of this.

I don't even know why I'm having to explain simple stuff like this to a grown man, and I'm pretty sure you'll come back with some other insane objection and resort to your coward partyline, but I had to try.

I'm not thinking about YOUR children....

More precisely my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Honestly, I don't give a damn what a bunch of Social Justice cowards pretending to be noble do to their families. Rest assure that one way or another I'll make money from them and the more fucked in the head they are the easier it'll be. The way things are going I'm sure in 5 to 10 years that I'll be able to legally produce videos of real sexual suicides.

However, I don't want my family being mentally screwed up because some jackass wants to walk around showing the world what a good little boy he is because he wears his mask.

I agree.

This happens almost everywhere. People all wearing masks yet getting sick in bunches just the same. Warehouses, construction, salons, churches, offices, everywhere.

N95 masks do something but even then aren't 100% effective. Cloth masks are next to useless.

Young students also - grades Kindergarten to 4 - are affected by this. They learn how to pronounce words and learn 2nd languages at school by looking at the teachers mouth as she speaks.

Have you asked all of us if that's what our consensus is? Have you listened to why we don't like masks? Or is it just easier to say that we are all assholes and murders?

I'll agree with you here. Lots of mask wearing is virtue signalling.

Before the mask laws in my area I'd say 40% of people wore them inside stores. That means 60% of people were fine without them.

Of the 40% I'd say that 20% were genuinely scared and 20 were virtue signalers. The virtue signalers are the loudest bunch and because they are more vocal (and the media likes them) they make it seem like they represent the majority.

Of course government mandating masks make it seem like everyone is in agreement with them.

Much of mask wearing is optics and political theater.

I know many id them.

That post of yours above - that's not my quote. I do know someone who got it.

You quoted the title of this thread and mistakenly attributed it to me.

I took the time to replace "masks" with seatbelts in your reply. Notice how suddenly its like we're back to 1976 when the exact same arguments were being made against mandatory seatbelts?

Look at where we're at today and how we look back at anti-seatbelters from back then.

I remember there was a lot of resistance to seat belts back then. Turns out the anti seat-belters were wrong.

There are numerous examples of people resisting change in history. Sometimes they were right and sometimes they were wrong.

Just because you cite an example in the past where "people who resisted change" were wrong, doesn't mean that every single instance of people resisting change is incorrect.

Look at the Woke community. People are resisting political correctness and they are correct to do so. The Woke community is trying to change our society and many are resisting. We don't want the change and are correct about this.

Yeah, it sucks. I have young kids and I tried to do as much as I could to keep them from all of this as long as I could. The first time my son saw me put on a mask to go into a store freaked him out but he didn't see that until mid July.

However! How different is this from what the 'greatest generation' kids went through during ww2?
Constant messages of fear and death? Yep.
Constantly being told people are dangerous and to keep away? not quite the same but some people were definitely villainized.
That any given moment they may come into contact with the virus and die? Yep. Any moment they could be bombed or nuked, etc.
They might cause someone else to die? Yep, kids were often the source of light during mandatory blackouts.

its not ideal but who knows maybe they will grow up to be stronger as a result. Though I'm sure there will be some negative lasting effects. One thing I really worry about is kids not being able to be collaborative. Not working together to solve problems, etc. That is a vital part of society and without people looking out for each other and being able to work together for the greater good, we are no longer civilized.

The mother of my 1st born was anti-Thalidomide.

Notice how suddenly it's like we're back to 1960 when the exact same arguments were being made against giving pregnant women Thalidomide for morning sickness?

Look at where we are today and how we look back at anti-Thalidomiders from back then.

I was a child during WW2.

What I remember was being told to stay alert, vigilant and to report anything and anyone suspicious. We had legitimate fears about foreign operatives or sympathizers trying to sabotage our factories or cause terror. We were at war and those things actually did happen.

On the other hand the fear that I remember the most was the bomb. We had drills in schools and we were taught to be suspicious of anything appearing to be communist. However, we were also taught that if the bomb was dropped we needed to work together, to be brave and to be as tough as possible.

This Covid bullshit not only tells children to FEAR EVERYONE (including their parents) but that they too might accidentally kill someone.

That's a fucking hell of a lot to dump on a kid and it's just one big major head game.

Sorry but I see a future in which a lot of children kill themselves because of lack of fear and lack of human contact.

If you're honestly a parent then you should be taking a stand against the masks and physical distancing.

In my scientific head, schools will usually see maybe 20% of students catch the flu each year. In mask wearing world example, 50% caught the shits in less than 1 week period. That seems really high and I believe it's because one little nasty gets caught in the mask they were breathing it in all day long. Not to mention warehouse workers ain't going home and washing their masks each night.

Masks are escalating sickness, absolutely not preventing anything.

Um, check again, SD is NOT "doing fine". It's number of cases have spiked AND that huge (400,000+) rally in Sturgis is blamed for spreading the virus all over the country. Where you get your data, and how you intepret it, is the real issue here.

Oh - and it's not about the mask mandates and comparing graphs to mandate orders. LOL It's about how many people actually wore the masks. And in the Red States, where the Governors were mandating masks one second while down playing them the other, including the Governor SUING people in Goergia for requiring masks to be worn even after his mandate to do so. Florida?? LOL The majority of people did NOT wear masks post-mandate. So it's not about the mandates.

How do you explain the ONLY place in America (New York/New Jersey) where 90% of people wore masks as being the safest place in America while everywhere else, where only 50% of people wear masks, Covid-19 is out of control, spiking and certainly NOT going away? Coincidence? Please man stop. Doctors and nurses wear masks so I do what they say, period.

No dude, your family is mentally screwed up because you are their father and grandfather.

Dude, NYC has the highest death rate per capita for plandemic in the world by multiple factors. You've got some real problems to type what you just did. Deep down psychological problems.

DUDE are you fucking high? NYC and NJ have THE LOWEST rate of CURRENT transmissions in the country. Death rates were highest back in the beginning of the pandemic, not NOW. NOW is when the rest of the country, including where you live in Cali, are out of control.

We have an expression here in New York: don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I'm talking about the grand total of reported deaths in NYC, to date, is the highest by multiple factors per capita. You high, last I checked it was 6 times the death rate of Sweden, maybe that's changed to 5.5 now. I'm too high right now in the great state of liberal to check.

I keep saying most numbers are fake but NY, specifically NYC, went out of their way to KILL perfectly healthy people in the name of covid. Food for thought while smoking your bong and editing 15 year old content.

You fucking believe every piece of shit you are fed.

Back at ya Drizzley Adams.

He does, that's what makes him the porn turd errr nerd