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SexySarah 05-30-2003 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

you'd expose yourself as a shouter of slogans, not a thinker of thoughts.

Oh. My. God.

That's rich coming from you.

:1orglaugh

Regards,

SexySarah

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


No, not afraid to tackle it... just thought it was funny... still do.

What you you suggest if not a true democracy?

I suggest a Republic with tripartite division of powers.

Gutterboy 05-30-2003 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


No, not afraid to tackle it... just thought it was funny... still do.

What you you suggest if not a true democracy?

It shouldn't take a whole lot of brainpower to figure out why mob rule is not the best form of government.

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:09 AM

I don't know why anyone would think that letting people that live in mobile home parks would somehow make better governmental decisions than oil barons. Maybe it's just me but I feel a lot better represented by oil barons.

NBDesign 05-30-2003 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


I suggest a Republic with tripartite division of powers.

Ok, and this would be better why?

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Ok, and this would be better why?

It's not better. It's what we have now.

NBDesign 05-30-2003 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
I don't know why anyone would think that letting people that live in mobile home parks would somehow make better governmental decisions than oil barons. Maybe it's just me but I feel a lot better represented by oil barons.
Because people in mobile homes are not as likely to be as corrupt as oil barrons... All they care about is lining their pockets... nothing more...

If you really think that our government actually does anything it does for their people... wake up and get a clue. There is always a hidden ajenda... either... to get re-elected, line their pockets etc...

Hell, look at all the lies that the US govt. has been caught in already... The Iraq war... the harmfullness of certain products and so on.

For example... if the US govt was so concerned about the health issues of smoking, they would have punished the tobacco company (as they did with fines) but they should have put a price freeze on the price per pack... hit them where they live.. the wallet.

Do you know where most of that tobacco settlement money went?

Here... read this.

Up In Smoke!
How Are States Spending Their Tobacco Settlement Funds?

Remember that huge settlement between the states and tobacco companies in 1998? The tobacco companies agreed to pay $200 billion to the states to help pay for medical costs from smoking-related illnesses, and to help prevent kids from smoking. The settlement was hailed as a legal victory against "Big Tobacco."

President Clinton called the deal "a milestone in the long struggle to protect our children." (Politicians always stress protecting "the children.") Washington state's attorney general, Christine Gregoire, said: "These lawsuits by these attorneys general were on behalf of those 3,000 children who were addicted every day." New York's then-Attorney General Dennis Vacco said, "We're going to save the kids of America."

But once the checks arrived, most of the promises regarding kids went up in smoke.

Michael Horowitz of the Hudson Institute once called the tobacco settlement "the foulest, rankest scandal" he'd ever seen. Now that the money is in play, I see what Horowitz meant.

While much of the money did go to programs like Medicaid, the General Accounting Office says less than 7 percent of it has gone to anti-smoking programs. Where else did it go?

In North Carolina, politicians gave $200,000 to a place that holds horse-riding competitions.

A county golf course in New York got almost $1 million, including $200,000 for golf carts.

And of course the lawyers got even more. Dickie Scruggs, brother-in-law of Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., is said to be getting more than $800 million. Peter Angelos, who's rich enough to own the Baltimore Orioles, is getting $150 million.

Yet Mike Moore, Mississippi's attorney general, had the nerve to call the tobacco deal "probably the finest hour for trial lawyers in America."

Tobacco farmer Bobby Bisset agrees with Moore. He thinks it probably was their finest hour, "because they made a lot of money out of it."

And guess who else got some money out of it? Tobacco farmers like Bissett.

"Why shouldn't I get some of the money?" Bissett asked.

"After the money gets to rolling in, everybody gets interested in money," said Keith Beavers, a North Carolina tobacco farmer.

They sure do. North Carolina has now spent more than $42 million to help the tobacco industry, giving some of its settlement money to a tobacco auction house and a museum of tobacco farming.

The states say all this will help create jobs and stimulate the economy.

The bureaucrats cut a deal promising they'll help stop kids from smoking. But who was really helped? Rich lawyers got richer and farmers got help producing tobacco.

Give me a break!

Commentary
By John Stossel
ABC News

Gutterboy 05-30-2003 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Because people in mobile homes are not as likely to be as corrupt as oil barrons...

:1orglaugh

Not corrupt, or is their corruption just not as visible as the misdeeds of a public figure who controls a billion dollar corporation?

Assuming someone is moral when they've really just not had the opportunity to do evil is incredibly naieve.

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Because people in mobile homes are not as likely to be as corrupt as oil barrons

If you really think that our government actually does anything it does for their people... wake up and get a clue. There is always a hidden ajenda... either... to get re-elected, line their pockets etc...


You really believe this? What kind of laws do you think people that live in mobile homes would pass through the hallowed halls of congress? My guess is they would pass laws that would benefit people that live in mobile homes. I'm a lot closer to being an oil baron than living in a trailer park so I'll take my chances. Thanks.

Nothing done "for the people"? The legal code is filled with laws "for the people". Nearly every law is for "the people". How did we get a Bill of Rights, Civil Rights Act, FCC Regulations, "fairness in the workplace" legislation, anti-monopoly acts, anti-trust acts, universal suffrage and so forth. The general trend is towards greater rights and liberties for more and more people.

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign



If you really think that our government actually does anything it does for their people... wake up and get a clue. There is always a hidden ajenda... either... to get re-elected, line their pockets etc...

Voting to get re-elected requires that one votes in line with their constituency which is exactly what you are arguing for. You're saying people should have a more direct voice in their government and if a congressman votes the way of the majority of their constituency they have done exactly that.

Libertine 05-30-2003 09:46 AM

The whole problem is using people to make decisions. A third of the people are stupid, a third are corrupt, and the ones remaining are both.

So, just let people decide for themselves how they want to fuck up their lives, and not meddle too much - just enough to make sure nobody is starving or without medical care, because that would get people pissed off and cause revolts and such.

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:48 AM

All we need for a better America is a tax credit for mobile home owners, a line item tax deduction for beer and replacing the Stars and Stripes with the Confederate Flag, right?

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

So, just let people decide for themselves how they want to fuck up their lives, and not meddle too much - just enough to make sure nobody is starving or without medical care, because that would get people pissed off and cause revolts and such.

I'm down .. without the medical care part. ;-)

Trolleater 05-30-2003 09:54 AM

as a country, as a whole...not one bit.

for the people themselves...yes.

cherrylula 05-30-2003 09:59 AM

and legalize marijuana.

Gutterboy 05-30-2003 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
The whole problem is using people to make decisions. A third of the people are stupid, a third are corrupt, and the ones remaining are both.

So, just let people decide for themselves how they want to fuck up their lives, and not meddle too much - just enough to make sure nobody is starving or without medical care, because that would get people pissed off and cause revolts and such.

:thumbsup

theking 05-30-2003 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Ok, and this would be better why?

:1orglaugh

FillmoreSlim 05-30-2003 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
The sheep/cattle/lemmings or whatever other animal kingdom metaphor of the day you like say America is falling and George Bush is Hitler. Another round of Nazi regimes, Stalin regimes, World Wars, and a great Depression is coming and coming fast. The four horsemen are riding again.

My mass hysteria meter is going off the charts. The only other times in my life it reached this level was during the dot com boom, the Rubik's cube craze of 1979, and the 1975 pet rocks ruckus.

News flash! You guys sound like the National Enquirer. Neo-Nazi's, fascism, the great coming depression, and the end times. Your words exactly echo none other than the covers of the weekly tabloids we Americans have seen in Publix, Winn Dixie, Wegmans, and Piggly Wiggly for the past 20 years. Congratulations on your wisdom.

Well this is the pied piper telling you brainwashed huddles masses that I've lifted my lamp beside the golden door. Enter ye the Kingdom of all that is Good. Liberate yourself!

Nothing like getting high and venting to a bulletin board.

take some downers kid.

theking 05-30-2003 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
The whole problem is using people to make decisions. A third of the people are stupid, a third are corrupt, and the ones remaining are both.

So, just let people decide for themselves how they want to fuck up their lives, and not meddle too much - just enough to make sure nobody is starving or without medical care, because that would get people pissed off and cause revolts and such.

Hmm...three thirds equals 100%...let me guess which third you are in. My guess is "both"...correct me if I am wrong.

theking 05-30-2003 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by charly
No you have it wrong, he's a comic genius.
I am not really a genius...just in your eyes...but thank you for your acknowledgement...Clueless.

ADL Colin 05-30-2003 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by FillmoreSlim


Nothing like getting high and venting to a bulletin board.

take some downers kid.

Sorry. Drug-free since 2002. ;-)

loverboy 05-30-2003 01:16 PM

what's the point

ADL Colin 05-31-2003 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by loverboy
what's the point
Are you new here?

FATPad 05-31-2003 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


No, not afraid to tackle it... just thought it was funny... still do.

What you you suggest if not a true democracy?

Hmm...

quiet 05-31-2003 04:44 AM

fucking foreigners!!

:glugglug

manilaheat 05-31-2003 06:17 AM

You fucking guys are unbelievable.

When you are walking outside to get into your BMW that you can actually drive down the street in a non-polluted city to go to the McDonalds to get your food because you have been up all night making your living through 2 copper wires think of all the fucking people in Africa and the 3rd World who don't have shit much less know what democracy is ...

You want revolution? You don't think democracy works? Wrong ..

Libertine 05-31-2003 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by theking


Hmm...three thirds equals 100%...

Congratulations on passing math 101.

NBDesign 05-31-2003 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by manilaheat
You fucking guys are unbelievable.

When you are walking outside to get into your BMW that you can actually drive down the street in a non-polluted city to go to the McDonalds to get your food because you have been up all night making your living through 2 copper wires think of all the fucking people in Africa and the 3rd World who don't have shit much less know what democracy is ...

You want revolution? You don't think democracy works? Wrong ..

Democracy is great... what is bad is capitalism.

The whole porblem is with these major corporations buying up business's or these hostile take overs where they spend billions to gain these company's, then need to make up the money they just spent. So, in return they dismantle the company's and sell off what they can putting the people who help build the company in the first place out of work.

There needs to be a limit on how big a corporation can be or some kind of structure to disallow this type of corporate take over.

This will help keep prices down, people working and a better way of life for everyone.

Corporations are the decay of this country!!!!!



:321GFY Major corporations! :321GFY

ADL Colin 06-01-2003 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


what is bad is capitalism.


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