We voted for this, to pwn da libz.

Wait until this part kicks in:

"Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot. It should be outlawed. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered."

https://static.heritage.org/project2...rship_FULL.pdf

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Geezus, what in the actual fuck?! Wonder if anyone has been able to find these sacred plans of theirs?

Seem relevant to who, you?

You can always start your own bromance post and talk about all the OGs. Sounds exciting! :1orglaugh

Just a word of advice to you or any others that feel it's appropriate to attempt to silence anyone from leaving comments. Freedom of speech is a fundamental human right that allows for the open exchange of ideas and information and plays a crucial role in promoting accountability and transparency. The attempt to suppress freedom of speech through attacks or intimidation, is bordering on the same level as what these very laws have done. :2 cents:

A few things I forgot to reply on:

True. I can't speak on other countries, but in the US, you should also make every attempt possible to get (unfair and/or unconstitutional) laws changed, or make sure they don't get passed.

Pretty sure this will happen sooner, rather than later. They will start, how do they like to say it "setting examples" and/or "setting precedence" for future cases.

I thought the Freedom of Speech Coalition was sort of the equivalent, but for adult? Both organizations advocate for First Amendment rights. The Freedom of Speech Coalition (FSC) focuses on freedom of expression within the adult entertainment industry. Both engage in political advocacy and lobbying to advance their interests. The FSC lobbies at local, state, and national levels for the adult industry. Now here is a significant difference and could be one of the reasons they haven't done more. Amount raised in 2023:

FSC: $1.4 Million
NRA: $178 Million

Attorney fees are a big part of the problem. You would think more would want to protect their interest, or perhaps there is not much to protect. I suppose we'll see what other companies get sued, because at that point they'll be forced to hire an attorney.

Side note: Isn't that one of the many contributing factors and/or reasons incarcerations rates are so high? People get stuck with public defenders (because they can't afford insane attorney fees) who do nothing for them. But, that's a whole other can of worms.

Welcome to America, land of the ______ home of the _______?

You decide!

I need you guys to think about something for a minute.

The bread and butter for many of you is traffic. You sell it, trade it, leverage it, and make money by directing it to your affiliate subscriptions. You even get other webmasters to sign up for affiliate programs and you get a cut.

Have you considered what kind of power that is to wield? There's so much free smut out there it boggles my grey matter, yet you guys, get dudes to PAY FOR IT!

If you put even a little of your mojo to direct your marks to raise hell about these AV laws, 4 Chan would tip their hats to you.

Bingo! Thanks for sharing your valuable input. :thumbsup

And if enough people raise hell, that's when shit happens. There are many ways that can be accomplished. It's typically most effective if it involves cutting off money somewhere.

The problem is, the 'big companies' in adult these days, don't really care any longer, they're making their money, just like the FSC does in the background.

The more 'webmasters' that fold, the more money these larger companies will make.

We made our beds, now we must lay in them.

This has been on the horizon for years, we (collectively) did absolutely fuck all about it, all it took was a slight whisper of what Acaia was doing and the entire industry went ape-shit... All it took was a whisper about what was going to happen to the Sweets and the entire industry went ape-shit... All it took was what happened to Max Hardcore and the entire industry went ape-shit... COPA, COPA2, etc, etc...

As more and more companies grew, pushing out the smaller ones, reducing the size of the affiliate market, nobody cared about the overall adult industry any more, just ensuring they can grow their businesses while diminishing the need for affiliates.

We fucked ourselves, with the helping hand of those large adult companies so many people booklick.

Its been an 'adapt or die' industry for at least 10 years, the writing has been on the wall, nobody stopped to read it instead, they started throwing shit at the wall to see what would stick...

mix of ideologies.
Why care?

It's hardly small when over a billion people visit pornsites daily.

The problem is that there is no collective 'solidarity', even at times like this.

And look at this forum, the premiere adult webmaster forum. Half of the posts are people fighting with each other.

And then you will get the usual type who will immediately say 'this is a great thing, only a Satan worshipper would think otherwise!" whilst themselves never making any attempt in all their years as an adult webmaster to install age verification on their sites voluntarily. And some of them will try to make a buck from selling age verification solutions.

And porn fans themselves just seem bizarrely passive. Compare with gamers who are up in arms in their millions against the decision by itch.io and Steam to drop adult games.

THERE IS NO ADULT INDUSTRY . . .

Context:

https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content

2nd element of context: they seem to be pro-life

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indus...er-from-there/

So I think the left is not to be blamed for this one.

There are thousands of free horse tubes on the internet. Those were illegal even before AV. They still exist.

:thumbsup

And with those kinds of numbers, and a plan of action:

This could be something worth looking into. I'm game and have some ideas. I think figuring out the money spot (hit them where it matters) def needs to be part of the equation.

(Asorelli, it's not that I necessarily disagrees with you, but you are very recent. So what are you trying to do ?)

Let's be honest. The whole "Click here if you are 18" idea is something we in the adult industry have got away with for way too long. It is of course, a complete joke that never did anything to stop minors from accessing adult content.

The new age verification requrements present 2 main issues: A technology challenge (my favourite), and a sales challenge.

The technology: How can you detect where a user is coming from? How can you then verify his age legally, while simultaneoulsy protecting his privacy? The sales challenge: How do you keep the customer on your site when faced with the age verification requirement? How do you keep him from leaving?

First, you can at least relax in knowing that the technology is already here. We have one. Yoti is another excellent one.

As for SELLING it, that is completely up to you. Be creative and experiment. Even A/B-test it like you should already be doing with membership signups. Challenges are good. Pour another coffee and get to work.

Not even one of those billion people is going to stand up to support porn.
Get a fucking grip.

That's a billion hypocrites. Not a single one of them would even admit that they jack off.

:helpme

The problem is that in some states even going to non nude doesn't stop issues if they want to be assholes. And the cost to verify is far too high to support most current models. More consolidation to come.

There are many ways to have someone support porn without having to admit they support porn. It's more about trying to be creative about things.

This is not meant to sound rude, but where have you been the past couple of years? The "sacred plan" was provided to everyone transparently, and people just said: "it'll never happen/it's not real!"

https://www.project2025.observer/

I don't follow every bit of news, and absolutely stay away from politics, sorry to disappoint. Now how about you answer some questions that I asked, instead of the typical hit and run, and "get a plug" for your software that I see you like to do.

Do you see me selling anything or trying to pitch an agenda? For fucks sake, relax.

Still demanding people answer every asinine question you come up with I see.

Yeah, there's this and a whole lot more, which I won't bother to explain.

Bro, I showed you the receipts, and you still be like "I didn't cost that much". What are you doing in this thread anyway? Did you get stuck trying to install a wordpress plugin on your non-worpress site? :1orglaugh

Proof of mental retardation, in the literal sense.

Anyone with half a brain can go to the two posts and determine who is a bit "mentally challenged". The first one is linked in your sig and the second one is -- oh, look a biz thread that "I supposedly ruined" that has no more comments after your angel signing. Seriously man, I don't mind you posting in "my thread" (I see others have used that reference, so why not) but keep it productive please. Thanks

Who's fake nic? Seems Canadian.

Age verification laws and their potential impact on freedom of speech can bleed out elsewhere, and with recent developments, particularly the Supreme Court's decision in Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton, I thought I would join in on the debate. If you think it's just discussed here, go check the interwebs, the ruling has sparked considerable debate about their implications for freedom of speech on many other online platforms. While the specific ruling applies to age verification for online content "obscene to minors", its potential impact on broader freedom of speech issues is a significant concern. Seeing that these new laws stemmed from the adult community, no better place to have a discussion about it. One would think at least ... :1orglaugh

Who is the dumbest person you know?

I mean they are actually brain damaged.

I don't know the exact quote, but aren't you the same dude that said the govt should be responsible for handling the id verifications. Seriously, for reals? :1orglaugh

If you're more concerned with attacking and/or trying to diminish my character, then the issue itself, then there is a bigger problem, no doubt. And if you want to have the arrogant approach that "oh, we've done this and we've done that, the best this and the best that, and where have you been?!" then again, bigger problems at hand. :2 cents:

I ran one through my dumbass.ai for you, do I really have to do the second one? :1orglaugh

🔹 Initial Misunderstanding (Post #6)
asorelli responded with:

"why don't you just create the layout using AI? Then utilize the API..."

This assumed mainstreammix was asking how to create a layout or integrate feeds.
But in reality, the original post had already shown a layout and was clearly asking:

• []What free or paid tools are there?
  []Are there CPA networks with lots of promo material?

There was no request for layout advice or help with API integration.
asorelli answered a question that wasn’t asked.

🔹 Ignoring the Clarification (Posts #7–8)
When mainstreammix clarified:

"I mean that’s my layout. lol"

Instead of acknowledging the point, asorelli doubled down:

"Look for their API info, then just create a function to pull the data..."

He continued giving advice on something the OP had already implemented.

🔹 Misrepresenting the Topic (Post #10)
asorelli made a snide remark:

"You wanna manually grab the promo material and integrate it? That goes against all your AI agenda..."

This was a strawman — mainstreammix never suggested manually grabbing anything.
It misrepresented the post to criticize a made-up point.

🔹 Deflecting Blame and Reframing (Posts #12–14)
When called out, asorelli blamed the OP:

"Clarity is key. I don't think AI can read minds yet."

But the question was already clear — others like LouiseLloyd and emmasexytime understood it without issue.
He reframed the exchange to make it about vagueness, instead of admitting his own off-topic assumption.

🔹 Escalation and Defensiveness (Posts #16–20)
Even when the OP quoted his post to demonstrate its clarity, asorelli still refused to acknowledge the misread.
Instead, he:

• []Claimed he was "fact-checking"
  []Called the OP a "bloviator"
• Tried to back out while still throwing jabs

Buddy, if anyone wants to read your post with not much clarity, it's available for them, right here:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...omo-tools.html

There, maybe that will give it some attention. Now if you're all done with distractions, please move along, thanks. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

How do they keep getting dumber?

PS, the private chat where all the real webmasters hang out has been mocking you for days. You didn't get the invite?

Maybe someone from pol can stop by to agree with you out of spite.

And here's the AI one for anyone interested:

https://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-a...ogrammers.html

For your sake I hope you've been perpetually drunk all week.

Ohh, how sweet, guess I'm living in your head rent free (quoting blackmonsters). Tell Mindi I said hi! You really think I give 2 fucks what kids are chatting about in a private message? Post it publicly, or is it just a bunch of schoolgirls ranting in a pm.

I agree 100%, and I also agree that they are being completely assholish about it. The law is more about winning and keeping votes from evangelicals than protecting kids. Regardless, the law is the law.

And agreed the cost is high...but what choices do we have?

Cerulean is right, asorelli. These coming changes have been known about for years now.


^^^ This ^^^ :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

No choice, I just don't see a way for smaller sites to comply UNTIL a company finds a much cheaper solution and shares the age verification bringing the costs down.

You should write it. :1orglaugh

Edit: Throw in the towel.

bend over?

more like fucked over.