Well it's not that easy to stop breeding. I did a project on this in college, on India's population. I mean take China, it took a long time and strict policies, before they could contain their population. Poverty always correlates with having lots of kids. The mother and the father being poor, have lots of kids, so they can support them when they get older. Also the lack of counterseptives and condoms, leads to this.

correction


AIDS reported on the rise throughout Middle East
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_9.html

You're going to tell me that it's natural (from nature) for a person in their 20's to have such an impaired immune system that something as harmless as a cold to most people can kill them?

It's also natural to get a form of cancer that is usually only seen in men over 60 who live in Northern Italy?

It's natural for people to die from Cancers & Pnuemonia over the last 25 years that was unheard of BEFORE then?

You may think you're hot shit telling someone to shut their mouth, but you're not giving a factual explanation in anything you write. So hurl the insults if you must..that's about the best I guess I can expect from you.

nature has its way of controlling populations. again, take a grade 10 biology course and learn about it.

I have to agree with him and I have a Master's in Biology. Whenever there is a population boom, which is occuring in Africa, there is some natural way of controlling it. Same thing applies to the animal kingdom. I know it is cruel, but hey thats nature.

Freaking insightful post. wow!

"Duh..Death is natural, so if hiv kills people, then it's natural."

Do you understand the difference between death from NATURAL & UNNATURAL causes?

You think a population boom created HIV?
And you have a Masters in Biology?

I'm glad you are well educated, but didn't you also post this:

"Na, it's been discovered in the Republic of Armenia and I don't think it will be offered in the States in any time soon. But they have a big clinic there for foreigners. I think Magic Johnson was thinking of going there."

Armenia has a big HIV clinic that is so popular that Magic Johnson is going to go to it? Where do you come up with information like this?

I do not come up with any kind of information, the drug is called Armenicum and the website is http://www.armenicum.am. And Micahel Johnson, indeed was planning to go to Armenia and try this new drug. I do not know if he actually went, but there was a news article about it. What's this post have to do with my previous post? I certainly do not see the connection here.

As for the population and HIV, I did not say population boom created HIV, stop creating things and calm down. How do you think the population for example of deers are contained in the wild? More lions and tigers are born, cause there is lot of food, meaning deer. Then the deer population decreases towards its equilibrium. Same thing goes for humans, except we cant release lions to prey on humans, so the nature have HIV virus, influenza virus and other disease causing microbes to contain the human population. I know it is cruel and unusual to think this way, but thats how nature works. Try to think out of the box for a change :winkwink:

Don't let my posts fool ya. I'm calm.:winkwink: I write in a more impassioned way than most I think.

ok..step by step.

Read the intro on the clinic in Armenia..and they are touting Iodine as something that stops HIV. Interesting..but don't know of many main stream docs that will sign off on that.

My very first post on this was in reply to someone who had written that this is nature's way of thinning the herd..hiv that is.
And it bothers me that so many people seem to take HIV very lightly. It is a very dangerous killer that NEED NOT BE. Thus my opposal to lightly throwing around the phrase "hiv is nature's way of thinning the herd."

Of course death & disease comes from nature, but it is NOT natural or nature specific for the body to behave the way it does when infected with hiv. That is MY point, and to date, no one will acknowledge that.

The hiv virus is very similiar to SIV (Simian) virus that monkeys have. And the consensus of opinion seems to be that somewhere, the virus cross jumped species from monkeys to man.
An infected monkey bit a human or someone ate infected monkey. (YUCK! grin)

If nothing else comes out of this thread, I just hope more and more people who read this becomes more enlightened and/or educated about hiv.

P.S. I truly do not think Magic Johnson is going to this clinic in Armenia to be treated with iodine for his hiv.

For one thing, his viral load has been undetectable for years now and is in very good health.

Iodine does not kill hiv.

Did you finish high school??? Go read the whole thing before making yourself sound stupid again.

"The key components of Armenicum are iodine, high and low molecular weight CARBOHYDRATES (polysaccharides), and LITHIUM."

And for you info the drug did cure many people who had full blown AIDS. And aren't you supposed to be happy that this kind of treatment is available for AIDS patients based on your previous posts?

It will always sound cruel to say that hiv, cancer just came from nature to keep population down, when its just have killed one of your friends. But it?s the truth a least we are teach in the school where I come from (Denmark). The only thing we can hope is there will be found a cure and always use a freaking condome even though its much better without :winkwink:

You are hysterical!

"The key components of Armenicum are iodine, high and low molecular weight CARBOHYDRATES (polysaccharides), and LITHIUM."

Well daaaaamn! Didn't know there were carbs & lithium in this treatment. Of course adding that to iodine makes all the difference. WHAT was I thinking??:1orglaugh

And I love people who say "I saw BigFoot" or were abducted by aliens and this part of your message ranks right there with it:
"And for you info the drug did cure many people who had full blown AIDS."

CURED PEOPLE WITH AIDS! Now you're really blowing things out yur ass. How come NO ONE has heard of this incredible cure but a handful of Armenians who obviously just want to make money off of poor unfortunate souls grasping for anything to cure their diseases.

WHERE ARE THE HARD FACTS ON YOUR CLAIMS GIMMY?
Give me numbers, people to contact, when, where, etc!
It's a complete and total fabrication and you know it!

Of course I agree that technically hiv came from "Nature".
But the original post that got all this rolling was not "Death is nature's way of thinning the herd," but hiv.

Car accidents, plane crashes, shootings, etc. are not part of "nature's plan" to control population. And hiv is by no means a "natural or common" virus that has since the dawn of time "thinned" population. The hiv virus is one of the most "unnatural" virii we've ever dealt with.

The idea that a disease is "nature's way of containing population" is utterly stupid, ridiculous even. It's the kind of thinking which is popular mainly with people who are looking for a replacement for a God and find that in nature. However, the implication that nature is in fact an anthropomorphic, conscious being or something of the sort displays the anthropocentric fallacy primarily found in the most basic of religions.

While it is true that things like overpopulation, poverty and very little education create circumstances which can make a population more susceptible to epidemics and such, speculating about a rational drive behind that violates the main principles of science.

Furthermore, combining this type of semi-religious talk with a prime example of the naturalistic fallacy leads only to a very random, unfounded and undefendable ethical position, which is so full of holes that one can only wonder how people can seriously believe it.

Very well put!:thumbsup

i could easily be wrong, but HIV seems to me to be about two addictions - drugs you shoot and sex addiction - guys who feel that having the perfect nut is worth risking their own (and their partners') lives. oh, yes, and then there's religeon.

if you really feel that not using a condom - especially the newer urethane ones - is worth dying over, your priorities are so different than mine that i suspect we are not the same species.

btw, one of my best friends has had HIV since 1986. he isn't dead OR dying, although he lives on a constantly changing assortment of pills. he got it from drugs, and he isn't gay. a drummer i work with ALSO has HIV, and for almost that long. same story. APLA is giving the most money towards AIDS research - the govt has always given a mere pittance by comparison.

imo if won't wear a condom, and you don't get tested and stay faithful to your wife/gf, you risk killing other people, just like a drunk driver. it's a fucking shame.

Scientists discovered what they think may become a vaccine for aids in the near future, so as long asthe reseach continues on the same pase, aids will be completely gone in 3x generations or so

fuck you are stupid

Hey dimwitt, ever heard of politics. Why would U.S. who spends billions of dollars on HIV research accept some treatment from a tiny country like Armenia?

Again, why are you arguing with me, aren't you supposed to be happy that at least some kind of treatment is available for AIDS patients, that there is some kind of hope? I don't understand you man.

Hey dumbfuck, did you ever take a science course in your life, oh sorry you dropped out from high school. Somethimes the most complicated diseases require only a simple treatment. Look at the bacterial infections, which is now easily treated with penicillin, which destroys their cell wall. Before it would be absurd to think that a substance from a fungi could cure people with bacterial infections. So keep the story short for you, it does not have to be a complicated drug, with lots of chemicals in it to cure a disease. I am not going to argue anymore with you since your intellectual abilities are far more inferior to mine. Have a good day.

P.S. And here are interviews with real patients from U.S. and other countries who underwent the treatment with Armenicum

http://armenicum.nt.am/interviews.htm

And here are interviews with real patients from U.S. and other countries who underwent the treatment with super penis
enlargement pills.


http://www.penis-enlargement-secrets.com/emails.html

Always proves it!

:thumbsup

Nothing gets through your thick head. HIV is "unnatural"??? WTF are you saying. Next thing you are going to say that cancer is not natural??? Unless you have some proof that man made the HIV virus, shut the fuck up.

I don't know what science class you took, but a bacteria and a virus are COMPLETELY different...especially on how they are treated...

one of the major problems with the US are doctors prescribing antibiotics for viruses...killing good bacteria while a viral infection is raging in the body.

A simple cure just isn't how it goes for viruses...
its called letting it run its course and hope you live... ie. common cold

This is a serious issue clouded by a freaking pissing match!

:321GFY

I did not SAY that combating viruses and bactreria requires the same techniques. I said that even the most complicated and life threatening diseases require a simple cure. Viruses are harder to combat cause they use the host cells to proliferate and make their own enzymes and proteins. But I am sure in near time future there will be some drug that exlusively blocks the transcription of viral genes without affecting the host cells. And maybe this drug is right under our noses, like penicillin was.

Its very serious, unfortunately most ppl that get HIV are those that don't listen to information...

true there are the unfortunate cases that it was completely by accident, blood transfusions and such and the more unfortunate cases babies being born to parents that have HIV...

but if you won't listen, and think you're the exception... well what can you expect?

I see what you're saying...

I hope its right under our noses too

But I truly doubt it:(

Give a person enough rope..many times they will hang themselves. Let's see, just a short summation of your arguments supporting your notion that a cure for HIV exists in Armenia:

"Hey dimwitt, ever heard of politics. Why would U.S. who spends billions of dollars on HIV research accept some treatment from a tiny country like Armenia?"

My answer: There is no acceptance in any form by the U.S. for this treatment.

"Again, why are you arguing with me, aren't you supposed to be happy that at least some kind of treatment is available for AIDS patients, that there is some kind of hope? I don't understand you man."

My answer:I would be very happy if your program cured HIV. Unfortunately, it does not.

"Hey dumbfuck, did you ever take a science course in your life, oh sorry you dropped out from high school. Somethimes the most complicated diseases require only a simple treatment."

My answer: When you run out of credible arguments, rule #144 on gfy is to turn to calling a person derogatory names. You've never proven there is a working simple treatment that cures hiv.

"And here are interviews with real patients from U.S. and other countries who underwent the treatment with Armenicum."

My answer: I can give you several links to sites who have interviewed people swearing Elvis is alive and running the 7-11 in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

As for your "interviews" with people "cured", the site and interviews are so bad it's almost funny..pathetic to be sure.
The answers given by "Americans" is in such broken English it's obviously fake! Even one "American" said his viral load was at 30,000. I thought you said this treatment CURED them (as in got rid of hiv)?

I took special note that these interviews were in 1999 and the last time the website was updated (on the website itself!), was October 18th of the year 2000.

Gimmy, if you truly got a masters degree in biology, I think you need to go to an accredited school to get a real one.

I don't think it is I that is "un-intelligent" or un-informed on the subject of hiv.