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SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 09:32 AM

What a fucking retarted thread...

Humans are responsible for WAY more violent murders.assaults than pit bulls EVER have.. So why do you let humans in the same apartment as your kids ??

hmm makes you think doesn't it..

Infact ( as south park once did a great parody of this fact )

Children are 10 times more likely to be murdered or sexually assaulted by THEIR OWN PARENTS than they are getting bit from a pit-bull

Are you starting to see the point..

Black people are also 5 times more likely to commit murder than a white man so maybe we should ban black people .

Its easy to point to an ISOLATED case and make an argument for it , until you open your eyes and realise its just an isolated case..

Remember the texas mother who drowned her kids.. ?? Maybe we should BAN mothers... What were they thinking letting those kids be with their mother , when mother are KNOWN to murder their children ?? case after case of mothers murdering their own children. At least with pit bulls the cases appear to be accident , but the mothers are INTENTIONALLY murdering their children..

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
What a fucking retarted thread...

Humans are responsible for WAY more violent murders.assaults than pit bulls EVER have.. So why do you let humans in the same apartment as your kids ??

hmm makes you think doesn't it..

Infact ( as south park once did a great parody of this fact )

Children are 10 times more likely to be murdered or sexually assaulted by THEIR OWN PARENTS than they are getting bit from a pit-bull

Are you starting to see the point..

Black people are also 5 times more likely to commit murder than a white man so maybe we should ban black people .

Its easy to point to an ISOLATED case and make an argument for it , until you open your eyes and realise its just an isolated case..

Remember the texas mother who drowned her kids.. ?? Maybe we should BAN mothers... What were they thinking letting those kids be with their mother , when mother are KNOWN to murder their children ?? case after case of mothers murdering their own children. At least with pit bulls the cases appear to be accident , but the mothers are INTENTIONALLY murdering their children..

LOL yeah way to rationalize owning a useless beast.

How about we make the numbers pretty much the same...since not everyone owns a pit...but just about every kid still has a mom.
So for every house that has a kid we put a pit bull in there and then let's see how those numbers play out.

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 09:41 AM

Forgt the hype for 5 seconds and ask yourself this question..

In your ACTUAL experiences , how many dog bites are you aware of and what type of dogs were involved.. ?

I have owned several dogs including pit bulls, and in my life , i have never seen a pit bull bite anyone i know. BUT i have been bitten by or witnessed bites by , ( terrier's dobermans, pomeranian's, great dane's and countless others )

If anyone else has experiences that differ from mine ( i.e. pit bulls biting more frequently than other dogs ) then i would be most interested to hear.. Everyone i have ever spoken to has had at least 1 dog problem , and pit bull is the LEAST likely of them to bite in my experience.. Terrier's and doberman's being at the top of the list of most frequent attacks..

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 09:42 AM

Okay I've decided I'm going to buy ashark and put it in a pool that will be designed to contain it.

We can safely swiim in it daily because as you all know the odds of being attacked by a shark are only 1 in 11.5 million

candyflip 06-04-2005 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions
Threads like these remind me why I love the PUG breed:

http://photos.roythepug.com/albums/family/pug.sized.jpg

I've got money set aside for a new pup this month. My problem is that I can't choose between the Pug and a Mini Pinscher.

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Forgt the hype for 5 seconds and ask yourself this question..

In your ACTUAL experiences , how many dog bites are you aware of and what type of dogs were involved.. ?

I have owned several dogs including pit bulls, and in my life , i have never seen a pit bull bite anyone i know. BUT i have been bitten by or witnessed bites by , ( terrier's dobermans, pomeranian's, great dane's and countless others )

If anyone else has experiences that differ from mine ( i.e. pit bulls biting more frequently than other dogs ) then i would be most interested to hear.. Everyone i have ever spoken to has had at least 1 dog problem , and pit bull is the LEAST likely of them to bite in my experience.. Terrier's and doberman's being at the top of the list of most frequent attacks..

LOL the hype?

How many pomeranians do you ever hear of mauling people?

When I hear about dog maulings it's usually pits or rots.

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
LOL yeah way to rationalize owning a useless beast.

Dont talk out your ass. If they are useless then every dog is useless. So we should ban anything useless and every dog ? I dont agree with that , but as long as you ban them all i guess ..
Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
How about we make the numbers pretty much the same...since not everyone owns a pit...but just about every kid still has a mom.
So for every house that has a kid we put a pit bull in there and then let's see how those numbers play out.

How bout we make a totally different scenario up than would never take place so we can make a statement based on something in reality ?? hmm because why would we ??

candyflip 06-04-2005 09:45 AM

I live in a predominantly black neighboad hood. Lots of Pits around here.

What's the deal with the black folk and the pit bull? Maybe I can make some money better here on the block.

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
LOL the hype?

How many pomeranians do you ever hear of mauling people?

When I hear about dog maulings it's usually pits or rots.

When i hear about car chases its usually a black man , but that doesn't mean all black men run from the police.. It means the news likes reporting car chases with black people..

If you knew the statistics you would know pomeranians are also known as a "dangerous" breed, and have been involved in several deaths..

If you have ever worked in a news capacity , you would know they have a choice what to run and what not to run. They simply dont run stories when terriers kill children.. its not interesting.. pit bulls are interesting, black men in car chases is interesting... Terriers biting people is not interesting..

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Forgt the hype for 5 seconds

Yes it's all "hype."
http://www.dogexpert.com/HomePage/Do...tatistics.html


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From 1979 to 1996, dog attacks resulted in more than 300 human dog bite related deaths in the United States. Most of the victims were children
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The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.
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In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
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From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
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In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
Kill pits.

comeplay 06-04-2005 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx
They are designed to go for the neck. Their jaws lock once latched on. Only way off, bite through or get knocked out cold to let themuscles relax enough for the bone to pop and unhook..


This isn't true. They have strong jaw muscles but they do not lock shut that is a myth.

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 09:56 AM

Smokey's "statistics" got owned...ROFL

candyflip 06-04-2005 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
Smokey's "statistics" got owned...ROFL

I'm still interested in seeing where the Pomeranian is listed as a dangerous breed...up there with the pitbull. :1orglaugh

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 09:58 AM

The plain and simple fact is , you cant extrapolate a news report into "standard practise" with dogs or with people or with anything.. otherwise everyone is a sick murdering rapist..

The parents shoud be shot. THAT i agree. The dog should also be shot... THAT i agree.

Shoot every pit bull because of what a few did ? THAT i don't agree because its stupid.

Shoot every mother because of what a few did ?

Shoot every black man because of what a few did ?

Or maybe we should examine each case individually and make judgements on them as such , not as a whole..

Like gee , maybe its the environment they are raised in ?? whooda thunk eh..

NTSS 06-04-2005 10:00 AM

Pit Bulls just need to be raised properly...too bad about the kid tho.

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip
I'm still interested in seeing where the Pomeranian is listed as a dangerous breed...up there with the pitbull. :1orglaugh

LOL yeah...


http://www.fataldogattacks.com/statistics.html
Breeds involved:

Pit Bull and Pit-bull-type dogs (21%), Mixed breed dogs (16%),
Rottweilers (13%), German Shepherd Dogs (9%), Wolf Dogs (5%),
Siberian Huskies (5%), Malamutes (4%), Great Danes (3%),
St. Bernards (3%), Chow Chows (3%), Doberman Pinschers (3%),
other breeds & non-specified breeds (15%)

I'm sure you can find some cases of pomeranians biting people..and actually killing a small child if the child happens to be an infant or something.

But damn I've owned pomeranians and while they all think they are bad ass not much more than a swift kick takes care of that problem.

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:01 AM

eros, you can fact hunt all day i'm not wasting my time sorting through internet facts about pit bulls..

Its well know they are responsible for more deaths than any other dog..

Just as black people are known to commit more murders than any other breed of human..

So just as long as your shooting all the black people along with the pit bulls , then were ok.

taibo 06-04-2005 10:01 AM

i currently have two pitbulls myself and the most important thing about the breed is to get them used to being around people, other dogs, and children. they are very protective and loyal to the owner. they are definitely not to be kept inside and apartment, let alone 2 of them.

very sorry to hear about this incident.

Doctor Dre 06-04-2005 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi
WTF is someone doing with these things in a apt?

Dog owners always say, "oh, he is is really friendly...he won't hurt you."

They are full of shit. All dogs are potentially crazy. When their owners say this, they are really telling you to be careful.

It's mostly bad dog owners ... pit bulls can be really good dogs if you know what you are doing with them...

comeplay 06-04-2005 10:04 AM

YOU CAN'T TELL ME PITBULLS AREN't CUTE!

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comeplay 06-04-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
Pit Bull and Pit-bull-type dogs (21%), Mixed breed dogs (16%),

Yeah notice pitbull and pit-bull type dogs? since when can you merge all terrier or mastif breeds into the pitbull just to boost their percentage of fatal attacks?

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
eros, you can fact hunt all day i'm not wasting my time sorting through internet facts about pit bulls..

Its well know they are responsible for more deaths than any other dog..

Just as black people are known to commit more murders than any other breed of human..

So just as long as your shooting all the black people along with the pit bulls , then were ok.

There's a difference...human beings are supposed to be rational thinking beings who we hold responsible for their actions.

An animal is a being we don't expect to be rational they are driven by the most basic instincts in life.

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by comeplay
YOU CAN'T TELL ME PITBULLS AREN't CUTE!

http://pornified.com/tony/dozer/dozer1.jpg

And these are cute too...but I'm not gonna own one.

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SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip
I'm still interested in seeing where the Pomeranian is listed as a dangerous breed...up there with the pitbull. :1orglaugh

I'm interested in seeing where i said that ?? LOL

What i said was "pomeranians are also known as a "dangerous" breed, and have been involved in several deaths.." nothing about any comparison to pit bulls

If you need help using google let me know.. :1orglaugh

RAM 06-04-2005 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions
Threads like these remind me why I love the PUG breed:

http://photos.roythepug.com/albums/family/pug.sized.jpg

Don't be fooled by this picture you know the minute you get close to one of those little pugs it will LICK YOU !!

dig420 06-04-2005 10:13 AM

man, even a TINY amount of research shows that locking jaws and killer pit bulls are a myth. Almost every time an attack like this happens you find out that the innocent sweet attacked owners were raising Pits for sale (ignorant breeders/dog fighters) or the fucking Pit was locked in a closet for 20 hours daily for 10 years. Pits are less likely to bite that German Shepards, Akitas and several other breeds of dogs known to have problems with people.

Everybody just jump on DarkJedi's bandwagon here, he's definitely the voice of reason and intelligence lol...

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Buster says FUCK THAT DARKJEDI BITCH!!!

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
There's a difference...human beings are supposed to be rational thinking beings who we hold responsible for their actions.

An animal is a being we don't expect to be rational they are driven by the most basic instincts in life.


LOL your making your argument even sadder...

Humas are "rational" therefor we murder people in RECORD numbers ??

Dogs are "irrational" therefore they only kill a few people each year ??

Im missing your point ? we should ban irrational things that kill a few people a year but its ok for "rational" people to kill countless people every day ???

So if you shot every black man you would have THOUSAND fewer deaths, if you shot every pit bull you would have a couple every year.. hmmmm sounds like we should shoot all black people. save lives..

jimmyf 06-04-2005 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NTSS
Pit Bulls just need to be raised properly...too bad about the kid tho.

true..

I use to puppy set my friends 2 Pits often never did i have a problem.

Well one there was one probelm one of'em had 2 sleep with me and he liked the middle of the bed.

dig420 06-04-2005 10:18 AM

There was a guy whose kid got bit by a neighbor's dog, and Animal Control wouldn't do anything about it, so he called the news station and they weren't interested. He called a different station and told them it was a Pit Bull (which it wasn't) and they send a photographer along with the journalist to make sure they get good pics of the slavering killer dog.

It's all fucking hype.

Roald 06-04-2005 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
eros, you can fact hunt all day i'm not wasting my time sorting through internet facts about pit bulls..

Its well know they are responsible for more deaths than any other dog..

Just as black people are known to commit more murders than any other breed of human..

So just as long as your shooting all the black people along with the pit bulls , then were ok.

Are you racist?







;)))

jimmyf 06-04-2005 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420
There was a guy whose kid got bit by a neighbor's dog, and Animal Control wouldn't do anything about it, so he called the news station and they weren't interested. He called a different station and told them it was a Pit Bull (which it wasn't) and they send a photographer along with the journalist to make sure they get good pics of the slavering killer dog.

It's all fucking hype.

i can believe this story

eroswebmaster 06-04-2005 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
LOL your making your argument even sadder...

Humas are "rational" therefor we murder people in RECORD numbers ??

Dogs are "irrational" therefore they only kill a few people each year ??

Im missing your point ? we should ban irrational things that kill a few people a year but its ok for "rational" people to kill countless people every day ???

So if you shot every black man you would have THOUSAND fewer deaths, if you shot every pit bull you would have a couple every year.. hmmmm sounds like we should shoot all black people. save lives..

God for such a smart guy you're really taking the ignorant approach...seriously.

An animal is an animal is an animal. No matter how much training you give it...now matter how much love you get it it will always revert to it's core being an animal. Even the sweetest dog I've ever owned has on occassion growled or snapped at me when I tried to take away something it shouldn't be chewing on or eating.

Or when a female had pups lash out when we the owners of many years tried to touch one.

No rational thinking process involved...just reverting to basic animal instiinct.

Now if a human does this...reverts to animal instinct what do we do? We put it down or lock it up.

But we can't just go around and locking up potential perpetrators...and no we're not going to do that with dogs either.

But any sensible person would, should realise that if you have children take into consideration what kind of animals he/she will be around.

Sure Pippy the Pomeranian might bite their nose, or nip their ankles and if that had been the type of dog in this case..the mother could have easily pulled it off of her 12 year old son...she wouldn't be burying him.

But when you start owning and breeding animals who are much stronger than you, you open yourself up to these dangers.

I don't care how much control you think you have over an animal...LOL

I have worked with animal handlers in Hollywood...and these guys raise tigers, mountain lions and lions from when they were cubs..but they still walk around with them on huge chains and baseball bats *to be used like a rolled newspaper* to swat them on the nose...seriously.

During one scene on a puma commercial the mountain lion did not follow the buzzer cues but instead ran toward myself and the director/director of photography where we were behind the camera.

There were three trainers involved...the one to protect us yelled run...and then he jumped in and smacked this thing right on the nose....it just stopped shook it's head and then went about it's business...they put it back in it's cage.

Animals can take a lot of punishment when enraged, or acting out..and they are much stronger than us...so with that in mind..I have a busy day...if you choose to have such potentially dangerous beasts around your children expect that the worst thing can happen.

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
God for such a smart guy you're really taking the ignorant approach...seriously.

An animal is an animal is an animal. No matter how much training you give it...now matter how much love you get it it will always revert to it's core being an animal. Even the sweetest dog I've ever owned has on occassion growled or snapped at me when I tried to take away something it shouldn't be chewing on or eating.

Or when a female had pups lash out when we the owners of many years tried to touch one.

No rational thinking process involved...just reverting to basic animal instiinct.

Now if a human does this...reverts to animal instinct what do we do? We put it down or lock it up.

But we can't just go around and locking up potential perpetrators...and no we're not going to do that with dogs either.

But any sensible person would, should realise that if you have children take into consideration what kind of animals he/she will be around.

Sure Pippy the Pomeranian might bite their nose, or nip their ankles and if that had been the type of dog in this case..the mother could have easily pulled it off of her 12 year old son...she wouldn't be burying him.

But when you start owning and breeding animals who are much stronger than you, you open yourself up to these dangers.

I don't care how much control you think you have over an animal...LOL

I have worked with animal handlers in Hollywood...and these guys raise tigers, mountain lions and lions from when they were cubs..but they still walk around with them on huge chains and baseball bats *to be used like a rolled newspaper* to swat them on the nose...seriously.

During one scene on a puma commercial the mountain lion did not follow the buzzer cues but instead ran toward myself and the director/director of photography where we were behind the camera.

There were three trainers involved...the one to protect us yelled run...and then he jumped in and smacked this thing right on the nose....it just stopped shook it's head and then went about it's business...they put it back in it's cage.

Animals can take a lot of punishment when enraged, or acting out..and they are much stronger than us...so with that in mind..I have a busy day...if you choose to have such potentially dangerous beasts around your children expect that the worst thing can happen.

I totally agree with almost everything you just said :)

But mainly it boils down to what you explained above "environment" and the mere fact they are dogs.

Small children shouldn't be around "dogs" period. It has nothing to do with what breed just as with humans.. as you pointed out they are animals

Thank you for finally seeing my point :thumbsup

dig420 06-04-2005 10:33 AM

Any animal is potentially dangerous. Pits are currently the most mishandled beast alive, way too many are in the hands of people who want to make them 'tough' and mean. They're already tough, they don't need aggression on top of it, but if you treat them badly enough you can definitely bring out aggression in them just like you can any other dog.

Pre WWII Pits were the most popular breed of dog, except they were usually called Terriers rather than Pit Bulls. Petey from Our Gang was a Pit. They didn't develop this horrible rep until they got popular with gang bangers and there were suddenly 5 million loose pits in every hood looking for something to eat. Every other redneck and gangsta thinks they're Pit Bull breeders and turns them out by the dozen then let's them out on the street once they lose a fight or they go to jail.

Pits by inclination are very VERY people friendly, more so than most large breeds. Like any other large breed, they're very dangerous when mistreated. I believe a person should have to be licensed to own any large breed dog, just like I believe a person should have to be licensed to have a kid. Many people just don't have the intelligence and necessary personal development to have that kind of responsibility.

StuBradley 06-04-2005 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Children are 10 times more likely to be murdered or sexually assaulted by THEIR OWN PARENTS than they are getting bit from a pit-bull

True, but the average child has 1000 times more interaction with his/her parents than with a pitbull. Keep on spinning the numbers Smokey.

:thumbsup

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
God for such a smart guy you're really taking the ignorant approach...seriously.
.

The "ignorant approach" im assuming is referring to the fact i was using black people as a comparison..

And it may be ignorant, but it made you realise that "pit bulls" have nothing more inherently dangerous than any other dog. They are animals thus will be unpredictable.

A "big" unpredictable animal is much more dangerous than a "small" unpredictable animal.

"Children should not be around unpredictable animals period".. i think that statement more correctly sums up the feelings after reading the original article darkjedi posted than " Pitbulls should be shot on sight"

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley
True, but the average child has 1000 times more interaction with his/her parents than with a pitbull. Keep on spinning the numbers Smokey.

:thumbsup


wtf are you talking about ??

IF YOUR A CHILD , YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OR MURDERED BY YOUR OWN PARENTS THAN BITTEN OR KILLED BY A PIT BULL

what part of that dont you understand ?? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

edit- whoops your on my side .. lol

TheJimmy 06-04-2005 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
... pits or rots.

HEY HEY HEY...

I owned 2 Rotties for over 12 years, and they WERE sweethearts...

HOWEVER, knowing that they were large powerful animals, and simply THAT, 'animals'....I would not leave them unattended around my kid...

An interesting side note is that his grandfather's dog (a little black pomeranian looking dog) actually snipped at & bit him once...small scratch really...and therein is the difference, large dogs can do massive damage, little dogs, not as easy to maul someone, even a child can potentially fight off a small dog.


Bottom line, leaving kids unattended around other kids, or animals, or pools, or streets, or in kitchens, around guns, etc etc etc...is a bad idea!


As much as I loved my 2 Rotts, and miss them more than I thought possible... I would never say that I could have trusted them 100%, there is no such thing as 100% with animals or people...




RIP to the kid that started this thread topic, that's a horrible way to go for anyone :(

TDF 06-04-2005 11:01 AM

ban pippy the pomeranian!

beergood 06-04-2005 11:04 AM

that dog breed should be destroyed.


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