Then maybe you should send more, better, traffic and make more than the bare minimum on these sites? Then you'll be cashing larger checks.

get some joins first,then decide

I agree totally.

I think adding Paycom as a billing option in a cascade is going to make you more money. But it is like using solar panels on the roof of a home, it will make you money, but cost you more upfront. If you can afford to buy NATS and add Paycom to the cascade, you will be making more money and paying this venture off faster in the medium to long run.

strange about paycom though, we are in the process of adding them to our cascade but fuk their site and admin does suck. Cant work it out, a company like paycom generating millions in revenue .... and having the worst stats I ever seen. Design of the site is awfull to. But hell if they process well who gives a fuck. :2 cents:

Sos, sorry I missed this thread, NATS at your stage was a mistake. It's not going to help you breakdown where your lack of conversions are coming from, not any more than a simple counter would have already. And as you mentioned with not being able to offer CCBill, the benefit of cascading is largely lost on you.

There should be some grace period, and the NATS brass must understand that this is a 19-year old guy with his FIRST solo-girl paysite ever, and refund/cancel your order until you're ready. There is no way in good conscience they should allow that sale to go through, it's the proverbial using-a-shotgun-on-a-fly.

So your translation is we should refuse to sell to people based on age or whether or not we feel they are "ready" for it?

We've refunded people before who have fallen through after they've paid us and we'd do it again if we saw that the person made a mistake.

You shouldn't be assuming what he can/can't afford tho. And as far as it not helping him, you're way off base.

Wrong.

I'm saying that NATS people should do the right thing here. This is a kid who has zero paysite experience, literally none. This is his first paysite. GFY is a tight community, and while yes, it's great to make money off of us, it's also nice to have someone for once say "hey...I'd love to make the sale, but there's a better way..."

That's what I'm saying.

NATS is a great tool, I'll be purchasing it myself for a program that's launching in October, I endorse the product. I think everyone running a PROGRAM should eventually have it. Program meaning multiple sites, a large affiliate base, and established conversion/sale data.

But for a 19 year old with his very first paysite, getting his very first traffic from two affiliates, it's the equivalent of using an ICBM on New Zealand.

Not a knock on NATS at all, when you need to nuke it, no doubt it's great. But this is an arm wrestling tournament, no need to go to Defcon one.

As I told AWD, you don't know the details of any deal we may have worked out with him, etc. He felt it was affordable for him and he's going to give it a try. As I said, if he tanks, we'll look at what happened and possibly refund him. It will be usable by him, it will help him get going. It will give him tools (both cascading and not cascading related) that he can use.

Thank you for the support of our product, I really do appreciate it. I also feel tho that our $150/mo price allows those just getting started access to it, which is the case here with SoS.

Dang.. yeah.. I was gonna say I like promoting ccbill sites as well.... oh well... but yeah, paycom stats REALLY suck :)

50.........

Right on time :)

The monthly option is great for sure, but with installation and walk-through isn't the initial up front fee $1500?

I hope it works out for sure, but if it doesn't, I hope the "possible" refund turns into something more solid.

Like I said, you don't know the specifics of what we may have worked out with him as far as his costs go, we try our best to work with everyone :)

As far as a refund being "possible" of course it has to be possible. I can't offer a blanket 'yes you'll be refunded if you're not happy' becuase if he winds up doing great with it and decides to have a regligous awakening and do something else (or any number of other wacky scenarios) I can't refund him in that case. Everything has to be on a case by case basis. That is why it is a "possible" refund.

Sounds good, hopefully he won't need to and it will all work out.

That's what we'll do our best to help him achieve. Then everyone wins.

Shoot me an icq when you have a few btw.

It really depends on how many sites you plan to have open and currently have open.
Ya got 4-5 sites get some stats software:)

Ya got 1 site, just wait till ya got 5 or so:)

I will, thanks J

hook him up good john :thumbsup

nats is bomb :upsidedow

SOS is not a newb... Not a player in the industry either but he does seem to learn pretty quickly and unlike most, he makes mistakes only once before he uses them to his advantage.

I think SOS will come out on top of the nay-sayers who haven't turned themselves into shit... I am sure people talked about Kobe coming straight from High School into the big leagues and how he couldn't cut it. Three rings later (4th coming this season BTW) and now what? Fucker makes 9 million a year peddling shit. How much do the shit talkers gross yearly? Probably $80K or less... mostly a lot less.

What some of you fail to understand is you have to pay to play in this game. Most of you probably try to do shit for free when ever possible and can't understand why there are not more zero's behind your income. SOS knows that if he wants to climb a latter he needs to buy more rungs.. the more rungs the higher he can climb. Stop detracting from him and start promoting his shit for him instead. Stop bitching about how he can't do it and offer him something inciteful.

heyyyy thanks buddy, appreciate the kind words.... hopefully you are right, and i do go somewhere with this :)

Sam.... please let us all know your overall thoughts after you implement the NATS system and add me to your ICQ. We're rooting for ya! :thumbsup

will do buddy, i'm really excited.... will be nice to see how my tour is doing and what needs tweaking :)

Nats isn't that expensive. You guys are talking about it like it will cost with him mucho dollars

Hey, if you plan on having alot of hosted galleries and banners - go ahead and get NATS - the ADTools will make your life alot easier. I currenly only use CCBill with my NATS, adding Paycom soon (but their tech support is taking forever to reply or add sites)... I think NATS pays for itself, it helps you locate what traffic sources are performing the best!