Someone didn't read the ambush thread.

tsk tsk.

You say you are never wrong and I can relate to that because I used to be the same way. As I've gotten older I have come to realize how foolish that mindset is.

Do you think your mindset will ever change?

You also give the impression that small webmasters that bother you too much are a PITA and really not worth dealing with if they continue to take up too many of your resources. I can agree with that and face the same issues from time to time. It's not an easy issue to deal with sometimes.

Do you think Franck is a cheater?

I don't think so at all. I've known Franck (Battus) for a long time. (over 6 years) I've never known him to be a cheater. In fact my impression of him has always been the opposite, a hard working, go-getter type of webmaster that is not looking for the "easy way out".

I'm not familiar with what happened nor have I ever spoken to Franck about this but after reading what you posted in Post 95 of your interview:

Its a simple matter to disprove this lie by looking up the programs in the wayback machine and seeing that in the long life of these programs the terms changed maybe, one, twice tops.
We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.

So you admit too changing your TOS.

So in my mind I picture the scenario of Franck building a page according to your TOS and somewhere down the line you change your rules and make new ones and Franck never went back to edit the page or pages he made to promote your program.

If at the time the page he built was compliant then you changed your rules, how does that make him a cheater? I don't see the logic.

So my last question is this: DO you really think Franck set out to cheat your program, or do you think that all this really just got blown out of proportion because of your mindset of always being right and never being wrong?

Let me also say that I really enjoyed your Ambush and that you have my up most respect as being one of the big Old Skewl players in this industry.
But even Old Skewl Players can be wrong from time to time.

I have the same respect for Franck as he has helped me out in the past in dealing with cheaters. In fact one of the cheaters he helped me out with is on your most respected who do you look up to list.

Funny Huh?

Cheers,
BV

some of the biggest cheaters in this industry are some of the biggest players

"Some" hahahaha

More than some Jace, My guess is the majority (51% or higher) of the "Players" cheated at one time. Sad huh?

I can honestly say I never cheated and have been the one cheated on more times than I can even remember.

The answer is in the paragraph you quoted. (last line)

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We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.
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Plenty of programs make changes and adjustments to their TOS on the fly. Not all of them give notice, and of those that do not all of them give a full month's notice.

If an affiliate gets proper notice but fails to make the required changes, exacly who is at fault? Hell, I've got changes pending with a few sponsors of mine right now that I haven't gotten to yet, a few have been pending for more than 6 months. If I'm losing sales or leaking traffic because of it (which I am) I'm certainly not going to blame the sponsor, it's my own damn fault for not making the changes sooner.

If I don't get any notice that's a different story entirely. But I too have been an affiliate of a few of 12click's programs, and I recall always getting prior notice of rule changes. If that wasn't the case he would have certainly gotten a fucking earful from me, small amount of traffic I was sending or not, doesn't matter.

Cheers BV. :D

I agree 100%, but that does not and should not classify you or Franck as a cheater.

I don't know everything Franck does, but I think he does a fair bit of TGP gallery submitting. So let's take a look at this hypothetical scenario:

We all know that once you submit a gallery you are not allowed to change it. (There are a few exceptions) But as a "general rule" everyone knows (Including 12Clicks i hope) that it's a big no no and against most TGP's terms to change your gallery.

So if Franck did know that the TOS changed, what is he to do if he has a gallery out there listed on a few hundred TGP's?

Change all the links and get BANNED, BLACKLISTED, etc etc....?

It's a tough situation yes, but not a cheater? I don't think so.

Cheers,
BV

would you agree or diagree that you suffer from Narcissism?

I don't think he suffers from narcissism. I'm sure he enjoys every moment of it. :P j/k Keep up the awesome replies, 12clicks.

12clicks, where did you go man?

I do not hate, I congratulate :)

what could you possibly be talking about?

ahhh, I didn't see this one.

Dude, anyone I think is a fucking loser knows it. They don't come up to me.
When I used to think boneprone was an asshole. When we met, I said,"I think you're an asshole"
When I see pimpdog at a show, I have to acknowledge that I see him with a,"I see you scrimpdog" or something similar. Otherwise he invents a story for the boards how I was afraid to say anything to him when in reality, I really don't bother with trash.
Who else? hmmm, there's a lot of people who come up to me and introduce themselves and I have no idea who they are or what they do. Its odd but I wouldn't categorize them as losers.

Thanks BV.

I wouldn't call them idiots. I think there are a few reasons for it. First, they spend their entire early life being taught by liberals. They are almost never exposed to conservative thought in school so they have 16 or so years of liberal mantra to shake off.
The second reason they are who they are is that they never imagine themselves being rich so they think its very ok to steal from the dead and soak the rich for all they can. It's selfishness and a lack of aspiration.

Well, I think they worry about freedoms being taken away needlessly. If they had a better education in American history, they would know that there have been many times in our history where REAL freedoms were taken away for the good of the country and then retunred after the crisis is over. Today, we're only losing imaginary freedoms.

when you take away the large cities of the country where all the democratic handouts take place, you basically have a country that votes conservatively. Go on to remove public employees who know their job depends on larger and larger government spending, and the voting is even more lopsided.

well, I appreciate that. You'll surely know when we go live.:winkwink:

are you hot?

you never know.

dude, thats on page two of the ambush interview. I've answered it 100 times.:winkwink:

more than I ever thought possible when I started.:winkwink:

well, what I'll be doing is to start off leaning on my old relationships (no rebuilding necissary) but really, I've always been someone who welcomes new faces. At the end of they day, I want EVERYONE in my program (just like before:winkwink:)
the only way you do that is by welcoming everyone and anyone who comes my way. I answer my icq everytime it blinks regardless of who it is.
I had a guy the other day who asked me to hit him up, I did and he was shocked. He said, "shit, I really didn't expect you'd hit me up. most guys act like bigshot assholes"

well, *time* I think is well spent on the boards. look at the truly positive response my Ambush interview got. I cut the legs out from under the one or two haters who'd like everyone to believe I cheated my way to the top and put to rest a lot of other questions.
Money is a little different. I'd spend some on boards but I think the best money is spent on affiliates. Give them the tools that make them money and they'll make you money.

well, I'm not going to give you a good answer to this as I love them both.
I think internext miami and vegas are not to be missed ever. They are perfect for me.
Phoenix is great too. I really like the small feel to it even though it grows every year. :winkwink:
uh, I have trouble performing in the bedroom let alone in front of the camera.:1orglaugh

hahaha. hello, princess.

I've got to think about rss feeds. (and I plan to) but right now I don't see a big return on them. I expect this to evolve and they'll become both important and big but I don't plan on running something out just because guys want a POD supplied for their 100 hit a day blog. I think the time and effort are still better spent in other areas but, as with everything, I'm watching its developement closely and am always willing to listen to ideas about it.

Sure, send me an icq and I'll take a look monday.
Remember though, I'm an idiot savant. I may not be able to help:winkwink:

just promise us that you won't use other programs rss feeds as examples as to what needs to be done. 99% of the programs out there aren't doing anything right when it comes to rss.

the #1 thing I always tell people when they want to implement rss feeds into their program is to just pull directly from their site updates. So many programs want to give you an rss feed, and all it is, is a picture of the day or a thumb and a single line of text, that is the simple mans way out. A true rss feed would have an article, or in a paysites case, a update desciption....a nice long description, probably the same description that is used in the members area, and a nice sized image.

If you ever want some input let me know, I work with rss feeds a lot and I try and work with programs on them, but most don't care, they just wanna take the easy way out, and in the end they do it wrong so their feeds don't get used.

uh...........ok.

Nope. I've never done that to an affiliate. Now a cheater, thats a different story. First, There's no way they'd ever be able to drive down my street without being stopped by the police. Second, I'm more than able to handle an idiot with a knife, even in my sleep.:winkwink:


nope. in mainstream I don't want spyware and you know as soon as you get it. Surfers start contacting you asking why your ads keep popping on their machine and your advertisers start asking why their ads aren't working.

and to be honest Ron, if you just had someone set up the script initially to just pull from your paysites updates, the image and description, it would all be automated. The rss script would just go and do it's thing each time the paysite was updated....no extra work for you all whatsoever

I promise you, sleazy is not looking to kiss my ass.

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
whats your icq?
make me rich!

who ever said I've got a few million for play?

Anyway, I'm not very diversified. 50% of my portfolio is spread out and 50% is all in one stock that I know pretty well.
The stock has given me a 20% return each year for the last 5 years. This year it may fall short of that.

bump for a good thread

lets not go crazy, if I can make you rich, I'd be busy making myself rich.
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well you said you werent satisfied with the ambush interview.. Isnt that what you wanted ? controversial questions ? or just haters ? i have no time for hate personally.. some people seem to feed off it :) I'm here to have a good time and make money , if i am not accomplishing one or the other i tend to ignore the rest for the most part..

You mentioned earlier that when you caught an affiliate breaking the rules you setup an alternate landing page to trick the affiliate into thinking he/she would still be getting paid so they would keep sending hits ( and so your advertisers werent harmed by the traffic )
How much did you make off the alternate landing page, and/or what percentage of your profits were generated from affiliates who didnt get paid ?

If I were gay, I'd guess I'd have to give both a try and see what I liked.:winkwink:

Come on Bro think of the fun We would have....you can come out to Budapest and O'man.............no more trouble just FUN !!!

A politician couldn't have answered/dodged that question better :winkwink:

well, while I'm certainly glad you realized you weren't bright enough to always be right, your situation has nothing to do with mine. I don't speak until I know I'm right. Not assuming, not guessing, not relying on hearsay. I'm always right because I'm very careful in my determinations. will I ever be less careful? no, I won't.

this isn't true. many many small webmasters take up too much of my time. I take care of them all. The people I have no time for are the ones who, while you're busy helping them (and many times teaching them the business) they come to the boards calling you a cheater or questioning your business ability.
THEN, I have no time for you.


No.
I know he is.

This is one of the hard facts about the internet. You never REALLY know people. you only have a good impression of frank because of your LIMITED dealings with him. I know him as a cheater because I dealt with him on a different level.
No different than the guy who kills his family and the neighbors say,"he was always a nice guy to me. This is a shock"

You don't see the logic because you've never run a program. YOU NEVER EVER WANT TO LOSE A GOOD AFFILIATE. you buy into this whole idea of my identifying someone as a cheater lightly because you have no idea how valuable an affiliate is.
Also, my response to frank was a response to his lie that we "changed the TOS every other week to make people cheaters. This is simply a lie. cheaters lie. I'm sure frank would like everyone to believe that he just didn't change his old pages to comply with the TOS but thats not how you become a cheater. People who had that problem were given a list of their urls that needed changing and then asked to comply. If they had multiple pages and the refering page wasn't in their top top referers, we probably wouldn't notice, much less care.
No, to be marked a cheater, you've got to be cheating. frank is lying about the past. You don't need to lie when you're right.

as I've explained above, I'm never wrong and as I've said in the ambush, I never lie.

I can't speak for others.

unbelievable is more like it.
please explain how you were cheated and by who and how frank helped you out.
Just so we know you're not a liar.:winkwink:
oh, and I have the utmost respect for you too.

none that I listed. you don't make money cheating affiliates. you really don't.

how convenient for you to be running a small program and explaining how most of the "players" cheat.
son, that type of marketing doesn't work.

CD, do you recall our TOS changing every week or was honest frank clearly lying about this?:winkwink:

Fucking bullshit you fucking retard. Fuck you are an idiot class one. Unbefuckinglievable.

I dont cheat sponsors. Period. Not now not 6 years ago. Why the fuck would i?

I tried multiple times to stay within your tos but once again, you kept changing it. And if you notified me about it or not doesnt matter. I couldnt be bothered changing all those pages AGAIN so i simply gave up. And i never bitched about not getting my last check because i knew why. How hard is that to fucking understand you retard fuck??

The funny thing is you kept taking my traffic. So you fucking are cheater here. You take traffic you dont want to pay for. If someone is working outside your tos you cut him off. Both his money AND his fucking traffic you fucking scumbag. Something you didnt and which made you a lot of money. And you pulled this on TONS of people.

You are fucking scum. A cheater who gets away with it for whatever strange reason.

Fucking scumbag. I shit on people like you.

again, honest frank's argument is that we changed the TOS every week. this is a lie meant to cover up the truth. None of our changes in TOS would effect TGPs. Number one, we dealt with blindlinks and searchboxes. TGPs didn't allow blindlinks and changing the wording of a search box would not get you banned.
Any other straw you want to grasp for your lying friend?

Not every week but enough to make me want to stop changing my pages. And with me many other people.

Fucking thief.

And i didnt have searchboxes on a tgp. Where did you get that from you scammer?

gay man's guide to craps was created by the techs in our office and is loosely based on my real actions on a craps table.

having people think I'm gay gets me a lot of fag hags.

disagree. while I *do* crack myself up, I don't love myself in a narcissistic way.

ahahahaha, good one.

12 if you handle the bedroom like the boards then you got a huge career ahead of you :thumbsup

Thanks CD.

If I do one, it will be innovative. otherwise, why do it?

and what exactly does a program get in return for all of this?

for better for the affiliate to take the easy way out. :winkwink:

100 scumbag lying thieving scammers.