At least he wasn't stealing money from hard working affiliates.

thread lost its focus

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/phy...aberration.jpg

Damn right i was and i looked good and made money too. I am not asshamed of how i got started even if i only did it for 6 months. If i was i wouldn't have been the one to post it :2 cents:

You aren't saying that being content is a bad thing are you?

This thread has not lost it's focus, he's bashing my company now I'm bashing his integrity as a business man.

He is pulling up previous threads on me so I am doing the same to him.

There is nothing wrong with being content Will, I'm cool with it. You gotta start somewhere :)

DH

I did "solo" shows my viewers were both male and female.

there is a reason i am giving you an ammo..... :2 cents:

fun thread.

I like DH.

honest question for DH:

how much would it affect your bottom line over the last year to NOT accepted business with installs?

5% ?
10% ?
20% ?

Will what are the chances you have some of your old cam videos kicking around... My icq chickenshit buddies are asking for it.

I'd ICQ you but I know you won't respond.

Pls help, I'll even sign up under clickcash for you so you can make your 10%

What do you say?

DH

I somehow find this comment funny :1orglaugh

Will what are the chances you could let me start a paysite up for you, I'll get affiliates in the door and only ask 10% from you.

Dude we can make bank, just like you did in the old days.

DH

I sell pills that could help you! :1orglaugh Just thought I'd put a different spin on here for now. :)

Just gathering a list of good sponsors and going through pages and pages of posts to find them all. I have a bunch of links to remove and replace!

Missie

i never did save pictures of myself, can you think of a reason why i should have ? and since that was 1999 and a few pcs ago that is not something that i would have laying around nor something i would have made sure to print out and put next to the wedding pictures in the photo book.

no thanks, i pick and choose who i work with. sorry but you don't pass the criteria.

I disagree a bit but anyways - how about my question...

honest question for DH:

how much would it affect your bottom line over the last year to NOT accepted business with installs?

5% ?
10% ?
20% ?

you guys need to work this out privately... there is no point in continuing on here... at least 50% support DH and well, i dotn know how many support Will...

Would explain why I've had several people complain to me about their cams.com conversions lately.. but cams.com's response is the standard one... "nothing is wrong on our end and we have tons of affiliates making bank with us"... yeah.. the hijackers..

you sure about that 50% figure?
DH's other thread got him very owned...

oh btw - still waiting for that answer DH :winkwink:

i am actually seriously tossing around the idea of doing that, starting my own program. I have somethign in the works if it looks good and i have success with it on my own traffic i may open it up to invitation only. But i can tell you rule #1 i will not allow spyware. i will contact all of the spyware companies up front and advise them not to sell my keywords or anything related to stealing my affiliates traffic.

Why stoop to his level, Mark? He's already made himself look bad. You're only making yourself look bad too.

i caved and talked to him, i got to say it was at least civil. and no i am posting icq logs but if he wants to he is more then welcome, like i said i stand by what i say no matter if it is private public online, offline etc..


i think it is safe to assume he wont be calling me a basement tgp submitter anywmore... :2 cents:

now can we get this thread back on track.

Oh DH, you did your friends a favor tonight. You consumed all of the "spyware" time tonight. I will be focusing on companies one by one tomorrow.

I am not going to stop until people stop supporting installers like zango.

I know "program owners' may have laughed at the 1 or 2 guys who sent 3 sales a day, who have bitched to them about spyware, But when i am done i hope to have a couple hundred pissed off affiliates who make a couple sales a day ranting and raving to their sponsors about it. (plus some big ones too ;))

my level ?

DH insults: 140
Will76 insults: 6 ?

come on, what are you reading here. I even answered your last post very detailed and as nicely as possible and yet you dont even reply to me and refer to me as being on this, sub standard level :Oh crap

hey i just caught that :Oh crap

you know what else works well besides pills... :winkwink:

Missie, maybe you should look a little further into what you are promoting....

XCleaner www xkee com/x-cleaner-download/
iSpyNow www xkee com/utility/ispynow/
SpyBuddy www xkee com/spybuddy-download/

While I wont argue that Zango is adware, iSpyNow and SpyBuddy are SPYWARE. In addition, with a little googling, you'll see that the majority of links to xclean and xblock affiliates are from Search Spammers and Comment spams. Add all of the XBlock versus Aluria mudslinging, and thats quite a mess going on there...

Also, Just because I feel like and jerk tonight, might I mention the XBlock Affiliate TOS ( www xblock com/affiliateterms.php )

Some great points here...
XBlock affiliates cannot
*Promote sexually explicit, pornographic or obscene content (whether in text or graphics)
*Promote speech or images that are offensive, profane, hateful, threatening, harmful, defamatory, libelous, harassing or discriminatory

Is harrasing posters on an Adult forum a violation of Xblocks TOS?

Yes you can promote this on a porn site. I can't believe that is still there. I will have to write them again. Several months ago I wrote them about this and this is what they replied:

"Note that we are not opposed to adult websites. In fact, we think protecting the privacy issues of users in this market would be a good target for our top-notch anti-spyware software. "

Actually the man behind XBlock is Wayne Porter, he used to be the CEO of the company before FaceTime bought it last year or two years ago. Get an idea of what Wayne is all about at http://www.revenews.com . They also own http://www.spywareguide.com .

I learned an awful lot about detecting and removing spyware from Wayne and his tech team. I "met" him about 3 years ago and they were by far the best people to help their customers. Hell, I wasn't even a customer back then and they still helped me!!

You are free to have your own opinion and do what you want, I will surf the net spyware free.

Missie

fake nic much

when was this?

You got to forgive KrissKoss (she? i believe) is a little biased, she is friends with the epiccash crew so naturally, you know how it goes.

That's irrelevant. And check your ICQ.

Dh,
I don't think you can put everything under the 'it is legal, so I don't have a problem with it' umbrella. Sometimes the laws hasn't adjusted to the new situations yet.

Molesting a horse is legal in Holland, because the laws haven't been adjusted yet.....so if you could make money with it, would you do it? and what if it was big money?
You can always make money on something, and if there is enough money to be made, why focus then on something which is obviously so bad for our (and any other) industry. Because others are doing it otherwise? a lame excuse if you ask me.

Why don't you just say: Guys, you're right. I will stop with any form of install, I will focus on selling my traffic to others instead of their questionable stuff and probably make the same amount of money with most likely a bit more work..but fuck it! I make enough already.

But well, for some reason I don't see that happening, I would love to, but well.......one can dream right?!

I still love you Mark and I have a lot of respect for you what you have accomplished in just a few years, I just don't agree with you on this one as you know ;) And this post doesn't only apply to you, but also to many others.
Pierre

It depends.
Are you a business man
or an amateur LOL!

get bent :2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i think DH has developed a bit of a 'god complex' or something over the years. success has gone to his head possibly. he sure does come off with a "i'm rich, you're not so your opinion means nothing" attitude in this thread.

Yazzle have installs also

Yazzle have installs also

It would be a sad comment on this industry if that were an accurate estimate. Ignoring what is under discussion, DH would have been hard pressed to handle himself less professionally in this thread if he had tried.

If you are going to get into a market, score a quick hit and then quit, you can afford to think in terms of anything legal being fair game. Otherwise many such things would come under the category of "sh*tting on your own doorstep".

That comment isn't intended as an appeal to the people who are damaging the industry. They know exactly what they are doing and don't care. But I fail to understand why those who are in business for the long-term tolerate, let alone support such individuals. It is your doorstep these people are crapping on, your future earnings which are paying for their get-rich-quick schemes, and you they are laughing at for helping them steal your money.

Because that is exactly what they are doing. None of these schemes, no matter which side of the law they fall, are generating business. Directly or indirectly, all they are doing is snatching business from those who operate in ways which won't ultimately create a backlash. No industry can afford to turn a blind eye to such tactics, least of all one which faces so many opponents who will use anything to restrict our activities.

Yazzle have installs also

Alright, instead of "imagine if" and they do "it" and "all files are spyware" and blah blah blah... how about we see a file?

Anyone? Can someone show me a file? Just one file, from the p2pads network that has spyware in it. Can someone send it to me? I would love to test it on my machine... but I need the file first. Also, I'll need to know how you verified that it came from p2pads as well.

Once I have this file, and I can confirm that it is spyware (even if it's just shady and still legal), I myself will jump on the anti-DH bandwagon and shout the loudest. Until this is done however, I will have to accept this entire thread as nothing more than assumptions and personal attacks for no other reason than "imagine if."

Thank you.

We hear ya buddy .. it's okay :D

You are missing the point entirely... and I suspect you realize it. Getting into the specifics of legal/not legal and debating semantics is nothing more than a smokescreen.

You are trying to come up with reasons not to oppose something which can only be damaging to everyone except the person profiting directly from it. That's nonsense from a business point of view and makes your defense personality motivated, not as you claim, the attacks on this kind of practise.

Exactly!