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mikesouth 02-02-2007 03:01 AM
What do ya know...from XBIZ own SITE


"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

That would be the same ASACP that Alec runs I presume.

mikesouth 02-02-2007 03:06 AM
OOPS IN ICM Registry's corrected petition for reconsideration

Note, however, that the prohibition on child pornography - which is illegal in many, but not all
countries, will not depend on governmental action in the first instance. Rather, ICM and IFFOR will
contract with an existing organization - such as ASACP - that has the ability to monitor for possible child
pornography and uses established relationships to report child pornography to the proper authorities. As
ICM is not a hosting service, take-down issues must be addressed elsewhere.

HMMM looks like ASACP has a LOT to gain from this....what do you say Alec?

mikesouth 02-02-2007 03:15 AM
HMMM IN XBIX Own Boards

ASACP CLARIFIES ITS NEUTRAL POSITION ON .XXX

Los Angeles - (June 9, 2005) – The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) neither approves nor disapproves of .xxx. In 2003, ASACP was approached by ICM Registry to support .xxx. The ASACP Advisory Council decided that such support was not within the ASACP mission; therefore, ASACP does not take a position on the concept of .xxx.

guess if I were getting kickbacks from ICMR in the form of "donations" I would claim neutrality too...that is if I were for sale...which I am NOT

mikesouth 02-02-2007 03:15 AM
So Alec...tell me shall I search some more?

HELMY 02-02-2007 09:12 AM
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welllets see I have statements from Paul Fishbein, Dave Cummings, The Free Speech Coalition, and Farley at AVNOnline and of course you... far as I can tell thats the sum total of the people who in some way shape or form presume to speak for us.

Maybe I didn't search your site well enough, but where can these statements be found?


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Now if you'd like to insinute that one or more of these persons is being disingenuous please go right ahead, but so far every single one has backed up their actions with an immediate response.

Perhaps they respect you, which is why you got an immediate response.


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A tatic you should consider when dealing with us "low hanging fruit"

This "little people" thing is getting old.


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I think we have been through this before Alec, if there's someone you think deserves to be questioned...spill it otherwise quit whining.

Supposedly yer boy Stephen knows all the people who are in a cabal to push .xxx through...by all means make it available....let us know who out enemies are, otherwise...well at the risk of repeating myself ...quit whining.

We're not the ones who are pursuing all these theories, you are - and if you intend on digging deep then do it right - otherwise your investigative results don't carry much weight.



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Ya so I handed you your ass in the adult press...like I said to the other guy...suck it up buttercup...better luck next time and all that.

"in the adult press"? :1orglaugh

You crack me up man.



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and BTW you are welcome for the attention and the press you got....

Ditto - since it looks like it worked for you too...

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...=mikesouth.com

Good job!



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You actually have some honest and decent people working for you, like Dusty...keep em close and listen to them.
Yes, but I wonder why they're upset with you.


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Someone told me today the more they know about you the more they like Tim Connelly...dude that's sad....

Tim Connelly? Refresh my memory, where did he used to work? who did he work with?

TampaToker 02-02-2007 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11839589)
What do ya know...from XBIZ own SITE


"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

That would be the same ASACP that Alec runs I presume.
Link me to this this please ...

HELMY 02-02-2007 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11839539)
And Alec...maybe I missed it but have YOU written ICANN and are on record there with an email in opposition to.XXX

I mean now that you have time to answer questions and all....

Before I answer you, what was the response that you got from the others?

Just curious.

Jace 02-02-2007 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11841733)
Link me to this this please ...
google is your friend

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=8969

HELMY 02-02-2007 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11839589)
What do ya know...from XBIZ own SITE


"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

If .XXX gets approved then IFFOR can certainly offer to contribute to ASACP. However, it is ultimately up to the Advisory Council whether such contributions should be accepted.


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That would be the same ASACP that Alec runs I presume.

False again.

I don't run ASACP.



Btw, ASACP regulary reviews its books (financials) with members of the Advisory Council - jfyi. ;)

Brujah 02-02-2007 09:55 AM
A lot of indirect answers and beating around the bush in this thread.

Brujah 02-02-2007 10:20 AM
An attempt to get some quotes.. find out if it's accurate or not yourself.

Greg Dumas / Is he with FSC?
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I have personally met with many of the leaders in the online adult community from around the world ... from Python Communications in Curacao ... to Netcollex in the UK ... to Hustler, Vivid, AVN and many many more have all demonstrated their support for this application.
Joan ASACP
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ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.
http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html

Is Moniker involved?
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In two split panels, Jason Hendeles and Stuart Lawley from ICM Registry, the private company sponsoring the .XXX domain, and Monte Cahn, from Moniker.com, one of the Internet registrars that will help implement the new domain, took one side. Connor Young, editor-in-chief of YNOT News, Tom Hymes, from the Free Speech Coalition, and Greg Piccionelli, a partner in the firm Piccionelli & Sarno, took the opposition.
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But Monte Cahn, who said that he was not altogether clear there is any mechanism to derail the implementation of the proposed .XXX domain, said that with ICANN’s approval, .XXX is here to stay.

"In my experience, I've never encountered an extension that was approved by ICANN and not implemented, so in my mind, the extension is coming and there's nothing anyone in this room or outside of this room is going to do to stop it," Cahn said.
http://mobile.xbiz.com/c/?t=1&i=9870


Mike, can you get comments from these?
Aly Drummond, AVN
Michelle Freridge, Free Speech Coalition
Alec Helmy, XBiz.com
Chris Jester, SplitInfinity
Holly Moss, HMoss Consulting
Larry Paciotti, CCLR Internet
Scott Rabinowitz, TrafficDude
Morgan Sommer, Cybersocket
Amanda Gross, Epoch Transaction Services

HELMY 02-02-2007 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11839507)
Mike/Alec.. I remember the mention of ASACP kickbacks from a few years ago in regard to the .xxx move too. It may have come from ICM. They may have stated in a release that they intended to donate something around $10 per domain and that ASACP would be on the board of their new Adult control group to regulate the industry.

Maybe that can help pinpoint the source of the information and someone can research to verify it.

Yes, they intended to.

But it's ultimately up to the Advisory Council.

tony286 02-02-2007 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11839356)
Ok Tony I have tried to remain as objective as I can due to the topic at hand and my keen interest with what was asked… and I am now going to give you a piece of my fucking mind... the man answered the question from this angry mob…now you are just making speculation and rumors.

I like a good debate…it clears the cob webs… keeps us on our toes and requires people to see things from another perspective… but you have gone far beyond articulate fact finding and now you are acting like an entitled asshole. Like I said in a response to you earlier… If you cannot take the cold hard truth of being called out on your conduct and the manner in which you are representing yourself…then you really are just a glorified troll and I could care less about your joins, your conversion, how much money you have in the bank, you ACT like some anon troll.

You made this a war with Alec and not about Xbiz and his own personal association with .xxx …

It went from an inquiry to an attack of a very well respected man who is held in very high regard among the people in the industry who are the pioneers, innovators, and market share leaders.

As someone who has business dealings with Xbiz I was also curious to see where this would lead but then it suddenly turned into a personal attack on Alec Helmy for no reason…even after he answered the question with a very clear “no”. At this point you look like a conspiracy theorist who is upset because your accusations were point blank refuted by the source himself.

You then question the mans integrity after he has gone on public record as a non supporter and you’re upset because the question was not answered in the manner in which you wanted it answered?

WTF? You got what you were looking for... for the life of me I cannot understand what it is you want from this man…other than to be an antagonistic, disrespectful, and just general loud mouth trying to look like some cool bad ass.

I have no idea how long you have been in this industry... I do not have any idea what was carried over from other boards... I do know I have known this man, his wife, brother and senior staff members for years and he has yet to demonstrate to me, or the peer group that I associate myself with in this community, to be a liar or anything other than one of the most straight up determined and successful entrepreneurs who has achieved his success through hard work, dedication, creativity, and ingenuity. I remember when Alec was a little guy and he has not changed how he deals with people what so ever.

The ONLY reason I am posting this is BEACAUSE he is such a stand up person in this industry. He does not deserve this malicious attack. In the beginning I can see that as a leading trade publication you want to know if they are supporting something that could be damaging to the greater good and well being of the hard working webmaster.

Now you are saying “Say pretty please with sugar on top” and it is completely out of line.

I am disappointed. It is disappointing to see someone you thought was bright and had worthwhile things to say and seemed like a genuine cool guy… albeit observing from a distance over the years… and then to see the kind of behavior you have exhibited this week is just disappointing…utterly embarrassing for you and disappointing.

The man went on record...that means you wait and see what happens now before you continue to go after someone after they were man enough to step up and address the issue.

You have attempted to publicly humiliate someone here and you were wrong.

You were dead ass wrong.

It’s 14:59:50
Your fucking kidding me. Did you read his answer its better to have 1 than none? Your ok with that ? This is our fucking living not a fucking game.For someone against he seems pretty fucking pro and Im not the only one in this thread that sees that. By the way the man came back and started this thread not me. He wanted to start shit with Mike again your honorable friend. Im not wrong.

DeanCapture 02-02-2007 11:08 AM
Hey guys - just a word of advice. The quickest way to get this thread locked is to let the debate get out of hand. Name calling, threats etc. If we can't have a professional mature debate without resorting to stuff like that, it looks very bad for us and it'll just be a matter of time before this thread gets locked - just like some of the other ones have. :thumbsup

I'm sure the mods are watching this thread just waiting for a reason to shut it down - I'm just saying......

tony286 02-02-2007 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanCapture (Post 11842344)
Hey guys - just a word of advice. The quickest way to get this thread locked is to let the debate get out of hand. Name calling, threats etc. If we can't have a professional mature debate without resorting to stuff like that, it looks very bad for us and it'll just be a matter of time before this thread gets locked - just like some of the other ones have. :thumbsup

I'm sure the mods are watching this thread just waiting for a reason to shut it down - I'm just saying......
Your right Dean, I get crazy because I love what I do and I feel .xxx happens thats going to be finished for me and to be honest I find that scary.There is not one positive for .xxx. To get to be creative and make aliving of it, is a hard thing to do and I get to do that and I feel truly blessed. When I see flippant remarks, I feel like Im being played with and this makes me crazy. Im not a big player but Im a passionate one and I love my industry, I see very short term thinking or quick buck attitudes.I feel its going to fuck it up for us in the long term. You know me Im a no bullshit guy, what you see is what you get. I will now stop posting in this thread, even if provoked. I said all I had to say its beating a dead horse at this point.

Webby 02-02-2007 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11841890)
A lot of indirect answers and beating around the bush in this thread.
Not sure I would ID one straight answer Brujah - it's too incestuous and slippery with the usual sharks ready for a feeding frenzy.

The asses can't be trusted with 5 cents. They can barely answer a simple question honestly, and only exist in this industry for their own self-promotion/glorification, regardless what charade this is under - XBiz as the "unbiased industry reporter" or ASACP as the righteous front acting as the protector of children :disgust

By admissions so far, it is clear XBiz do not consider they represent or speak for the majority of this industry - petty egos, personal agenda's and arrogance place them above that level.

The stench of insincerity is overpowering. What was the point of this idiot thread again?? Ah. yea.. Alec's ego and a need to be "top kid" in the kindergarten.

mikesouth 02-02-2007 12:48 PM
Webby Im with ya...I have what I need right now so if Alec wants to ask anyone anything he can and if he wants to ask me he knows how to contact me....Im covered up today but I appreciate the support I have gotten as well as the good discussion on the matter

rest assured I am doing everything I can to stop .XXX and I have good company in that fight.

HELMY 02-02-2007 02:13 PM
Thx ya'll.

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HELMY (Post 11836507)
Are you going to make an effort (a public effort that is) to get an official statement from anyone other than XBIZ and I? hmm...i wonder...

Whatever transpires from this point on will speak volumes about you.

Btw, thanks for all the publicity. Priceless. :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12632606)
You have 2 questions you seem to be avoiding.

A- Why did you post confidential Information on a public forum?

B- .XXX and the magic show you pulled with it.... Hmmm tell me and GFY again how your hands are clean.


>>>Put the Yayo and other dirty shit aside for now I will deal with those matters later.

2 questions which are valid , answer em.



http://www.jdlmg.com/chirp.gif

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HELMY (Post 11843353)
Thx ya'll.

you are welcome cockaroach

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:03 PM
Liar Liar pants on FIRE!!!!


http://www.jdlmg.com/chirp.gif

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HELMY (Post 11837195)
To you it may appear as if we have an agenda, but we don't. But anyway...


lolllll i love it


http://www.jdlmg.com/chirp.gif

tony286 06-20-2007 05:09 PM
Where is Mr Jim to tell us all what a great guy Alec is and what a dick I am for attacking such a great man. lol

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12632746)
Where is Mr Jim to tell us all what a great guy Alec is and what a dick I am for attacking such a great man. lol

I like Jim , he and I worked on the Howard Stern stuff awhile ago.

Now the other guy Alec is different story.

I really dont hate the guy. We are just battling to see who has bigger Epenis

baddog 06-20-2007 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12632746)
Where is Mr Jim to tell us all what a great guy Alec is and what a dick I am for attacking such a great man. lol
With all due respect, Juicy has not provided anything that shows Alec was supporting .XXX :2 cents:

tony286 06-20-2007 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12632768)
With all due respect, Juicy has not provided anything that shows Alec was supporting .XXX :2 cents:
Ill make it easy for you, where was his letter to icann?

tony286 06-20-2007 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12632762)
I like Jim , he and I worked on the Howard Stern stuff awhile ago.

Now the other guy Alec is different story.

I really dont hate the guy. We are just battling to see who has bigger Epenis
Well Jim wasnt nice to me and how I was attacking Alec without reason. Now if you knew the truth you could of told your buddy Jim to chill.

baddog 06-20-2007 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12632770)
Ill make it easy for you, where was his letter to icann?
Let me get this straight . . . anyone that did not send a letter to ICANN was supporting .XXX?

Damn, if that was the case I am quite surprised it did not pass as it obviously had the support of the vast majority of adult webmasters.

tony286 06-20-2007 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12632786)
Let me get this straight . . . anyone that did not send a letter to ICANN was supporting .XXX?

Damn, if that was the case I am quite surprised it did not pass as it obviously had the support of the vast majority of adult webmasters.
oh stop you know what im talking about.your a smart man.

HELMY 06-20-2007 05:31 PM
sig spot :)

tony286 06-20-2007 05:35 PM
Well Im not getting back into this one .xxx is dead and the real shame was I canceled my subscriptions to both Xbiz mags and they were great but I felt if I continued to get them I was approving and I dont. The longer Im in this industry the more of a unpleasant taste it gives me and the funny thing is its not the porn.

Juicy D. Links 06-20-2007 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12632768)
With all due respect, Juicy has not provided anything that shows Alec was supporting .XXX :2 cents:
oh please come on man i know that you know...

I understand you won the trip and so on and Alec is a bro and thus the posts

TheAmericanCannibal 06-20-2007 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11839532)
Thanks Brujah thats not the first time I have heard that bt I cant turn up the source....if you have any luck with that DO let me know.
I was there when it happened and recruited by a person who worked for ICM to bring FSC members there as well as prospective members ( who ICM would pay $25) for their membership- and the price was $8 a domain to be kicked back to the FSC-

That is all water under the bridge now though-
I just hate to see character assinations on this board-

It's not right- and people should debate with facts and not opinions.

just my :2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 06-20-2007 05:59 PM
Always late for good drama... :Oh crap!

baddog 06-20-2007 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12632824)
oh please come on man i know that you know...

I understand you won the trip and so on and Alec is a bro and thus the posts
You don't know me very well I guess. I confronted Alec directly at the time, and was able to get him to state publicly that he was not in favor of .xxx

If I discovered that he was indeed lying to me I would not hesitate to not only resign from moderating his board, but I would blow off the rooms. I do have a condo down the street I could use.

xxxdesign-net 06-20-2007 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12632768)
With all due respect, Juicy has not provided anything that shows Alec was supporting .XXX :2 cents:
His right hand man or his "Tony Snow" was certainly supporting it tho...

Here's a gem from Stephen Yagielowicz regarding .xxx...

"Thinking carefully about the pros and cons of the issue takes time and understanding, while the impact that your business plan has on the equation is simple: If you're one of the 'quick buck' schemers trying to make a million or two regardless of the way you do it, then you're likely opposed to anything that could complicate matters, or limit immediate revenues. If on the other hand, you're one of the responsible business people in this industry for the long run, you should be in favor of any measure which would help secure our long term future."

http://xbiz.com/article_piece.php?ca...rchstring=.xxx

He is Xbiz's TONY SNOW alright!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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