As a developer I cannot and will not advocate keeping a client's money if the job was not done. If the job cannot be finished, or if the client and I have a "parting of the ways" the money goes back to the client, that simple.

However, I have dealt with my share of clueless idiot clients who have totally unrealistic expectations and have been tempted at times to drag their asses through the mud and shove their money up their ass, so, while I cannot condone MadRox keeping the money while deciding not to finish the job, I can certainly understand the frustration and exasperation that comes from dealing with totally clueless clients.

BTW, there really are very very few custom jobs that can be done in two weeks. But there are tons of clueless clients that will not accept the truth as an answer.


just my :2 cents:

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thanks for your input, i really was gonna pay him back, but when he started threatening to send mail bombs to my family, thats where i draw the line, why the fuck would i even bother with him after that let alone pay him?

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you said some good info but im not clueless. i laid out a clear spec of what i needed done and he agreed to it, everything that was needed to be done was in writing.

Jaysin doesnt have the skills to do the project and intentionally screwed me over and has no intention of giving my money back. I highly doubt he even wrote 1 line of code.

I understand that. I would pay him back to shut him the fuck up and then I would take care of the "other" matters independent of the money issue.

I never waste one second of time getting even.











I always get wayyyyyyyyyyy the fuck ahead.


again, just my :2 cents:

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Hi!

yeah, your clear specs:

Dr Fagnuts: i want the same system as poorfuck.com but with these few extra features
Jaysin: what are those?
Dr Fagnuts: look at these sites, they have it...


haha, you're a fucking idiot andy, go to hell

whatchu gonna do with all that junk? all dat junk inside dat trunk?

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Clear specs in the eyes of the client are rarely clear in the eyes of a developer. Send me a copy of your specs and I'll grade them if you want :thumbsup But I have rarely found a client that could clearly identify what they really wanted right up front.

To do any project with complexity properly takes a lot of time in the design phase, fleshing out exactly what it is that the client wants.

The standard design process doesn't get any code written for quite a while into the process something that most clients in this biz do not want to put up with and do not understand.

My standard contract calls for a 3 payment plan. 1/3 up front. When the design specs are completed and the design is agreed upon, the client can either stay with me or take the design to another shop. If they stay with me then we get the next 1/3 and we lay out the actual timeline for the project, always with a disclaimer that any timeline is purely an estimate and that it can change significantly throughout the coding phase dependent on availability, client spec changes, etc. Once the coding is complete, again the client can choose to stay with me or they can take the code someplace else for beta and live implementation. If they stay with me then they pay the final 1/3 and we put it in place.

That methodology almost always guarantees a happy client and a less frustrated developer. It takes realities into account and it guarantees communication along the way.

Most stuff in the adult interweb is developed in the "down and dirty, flying by the seat of my pants" methodology where the client wants this now and as you work on the project, scope creep guarantees an out of control situationa nd greatly increases the probability that the client will not be happy and the developer will reconsider taking on any more projects.

Just my :2 cents:

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jaysin isnt a developper...

That would pretty much be the standard sort of specs I see on adult projects.

Here developer, you go research what that site is and then give me something with those features and some additional features but give me an answer right now on how long it will take even though you haven't done the research yet.

I usually answer "Two Weeks" :thumbsup

Knew there was a reason why you wouldn't shut the fuck up :thumbsup

i wrote out a notepad document with detailed list of specs, it was about 250 words long, he made up that fucking AIM. He told me himself he doesnt have AIM logs...

we now know jaysin is a liar, as well as a thief / scammer

you arn't a webmaster :2 cents:

you're a fucking idiot, i didn't claim that as being a true log, oh my fucking god, go cry some more you damn cry baby



ya know, you sure do cry alot over $350, especially when you make soooooooooo much off your content theft board that you just bought a $500k house huh?

Nah, I just like to hear me talk :1orglaugh

bump for page 3

250 words is barely an introduction to a specification.

My quotes wil typically run 10 to 20 pages and they basically just reiterate what the client has told me, just put into a logical. step by step order.

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I like your responses - you sound very professional :thumbsup

no doubt :thumbsup

this is fucking unreal.

you admit to fucking scamming me and stealing my $350 why are you not banned yet? Seriously, if a mod is looking at this shame on you!

like i said, GFY doesn't care, maybe if you spent more time here actually being active other then whining and spamming, you would know :2 cents:

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j/k But posts can be deceiving. I am known for losing my cool every now and again...lol. I have fired my fair share of clients.

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It's worth $350 to just read the bullshit :-)

Love the 250 words as a system spec - obviously the guy knows what he wants :winkwink: Send me 250 words of sys spec and I'll charge $350 to read it - it's called "don't waste my time" :)

:winkwink: Oh... I'm *very* patient to the point of absurdity, but still fired only one client so far in X decades, - but hell, they were mentally deficient to start with (actually selected premises on the basis the front door faced east - duh?). They went bust short time later anyways - totally incapable and clueless.

bump bump, i expect to see this on page 5 by the time i wake up in the morning!

the system spec didnt have to be any longer

it was change your script so it can have ratio trading and make it work with my layout.

not fucking hard but this moron couldnt even do that.

its not even about the $350... $350 isnt even a days wages... its the fact that you think its fucking ok to steal from me, waste my time and provide me with nothing.

If you atleast provided me with something or refunded my money i would have been happy. But your fucking unreasonable... you wasted my time (A month) where i could have got it coded elsewhere and thats fucking priceless (Or approx a few thousand dollars atleast)

Your a fucking joke... The only way you could redeem yourself would be by providing what i wanted to me tommorow and thats not gonna happen... Your fucking broke hick so i know i aint getting my fucking money back.

Lesson: Dont get shit done for cheap
Lesson: Dont employ people who screw you over without batting an eyelid.
Lesson: If you do business with Jaysin aka madrox after reading this thread your a fucking moron.

The only comfort i get from this is knowing that i make money and you dont. And that you will never make money again online. You have a horrible reputation (Albeit mine isnt great to say the least) but atleast i can run a business.

Your just clueless, have fun being poor for the rest of your life, you fucking bottom feeding scum!

wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, i actually had 2 people contact me about doing stuff for them since you bumped this thread, THANKS FOR THE BUSINESS ANDY!

oh yeah, poor huh, hardly, i just keep my money offline away from you idiots, i can't be too poor i just bought a new kawasaki ninja a few months back, and will be buying a jetski this summer, i'll take pics for ya with a note saying "THANKS FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT ANDY!"

This thread tickles my tummy


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