I totally agree. We all saw how Jules Jordan and Evil Angel just won 11.6 million if i am correct.

When we have people like Fleshlight rewarding theif's .. eventually content producers can no longer make decent/any content to promote .. where is everyone's check going to come from???

This does not only fuck with studios/content producers .. it screws over everyone in the long run.

Megan

Torrent sites with "heir own content"???? Niqqa, pleaze...

www.puretna.com www.tnaflix.com show us how serious you and your company's stance are :2 cents:

So if someone sue Fleshlight, can they get a court order to get access to the affiliate system? I don't know the law over there.

If it would give access, it could show just how many torrent and content theft sites they pay

Hello. I have a question Josh.

If a regular affiliate gets caught promoting Fleshlight on a site with blatent CP on it and we complain to you about it, so they then merely move your ads to pages without CP on them yet keep the CP and your ads on the same domain, are you guys going to allow this and not terminate their account and keep their money? Does this policy apply to regular affiliates as well.

Thanks.

http://www.tnaflix.com/ I found AFF there, what do you t hink we need to do to get them to remove it :winkwink::Oh crap

thats nothing like we are talking about. look closer you'll see their business model.

no adult stuff.

see it yet?


not a theft model if you look close enough.

There is no "right way" to finance piracy. I'm sorry, that's total bullshit and a cop-out way to try and justify you lining your pockets. I will never promote Fleshlight until they get on the right side of the tracks.

IMHO, those who promote on Torrent sites can't make it in the real world, with real traffic, or they are simply too greedy for their own good, and it will bite them in the ass at days end.

How far do you want to take this? Should the internet not be available because illegal content is all over the internet? We police direct infractions as they apply to us.

very weak... no surprise that fleshlight is not a product effected by torrents
very weak

http://www.referralmatrix.com/promo/fleshlight.jpg



So do you think Nasty Dollars gave permission for tnaflix to use a video that was 36 minutes long???? one of several of their videos posted on this site.

http://www.tnaflix.com/view_video.ph...9c1e3d43ea1522
BTW, the ads do rotate so you might need to refresh it a few times (why i took a screen shot).

So this affiliate http://www.fleshlightgirls.com/produ...yNTo1,30,0,0,0 will be shut down soon correct ?

53.......

Josh, did you really and honestly think you could come here to GFY and put one past us all? You're not saving face, you're losing it. Let's reflect:

- You cut cheques to sites that only exist to give away stolen, copyrighted porn
- You don't write into your TOS that you won't deal with torrent sites, of which MAYBE 2% respect copyright laws
- You claim there is a "right way" to get this traffic, but don't explain
- You claim your company takes efforts to stop (errrr, read: make more profitable) this kind of thing, but won't talk about what those steps might be
- You prefer to talk to BoyAlley than talk about the issues at hand

You're clearly fuckin the dog on this one. It's plain to see you feel you have more to gain from torrent sites than you have to lose from this mismatch community of affiliates here. Of this, you're almost certainly correct.

How many people pulled their Fleshlight ads after reading this thread? My guess is 0.

Reading up on these two threads now... :Oh crap:disgust

Hello thread.

No I agree its getting a bit rampant. However I dont dump all the responsibility on the sponsors either. Vuze does have some adult content. Im using it to advertise some sites with HD clips I couldnt do anywhere else. Im not going to crucify torrent files on a whole. They are a tool. Are they being used for things they shouldnt, and not in the way they were originally intended? Yes. Then again every instance of p2p sharing has gone the same direction after a while.

What do people think is going to happen when a large percentage of the world is on fiber and can just use say aim, or msn to send GB files within a minutes time? I dont agree with content theft at all, but there is a bigger underlying issue here. And I havent seen anyone big step up to do something about it. I dont know...

I would challenge anyone to file a lawsuit against us and win. We are not stealing the content nor posting it on torrent networks. We do however care about people we have/are working with and THAT'S the reason we are going to do what we can to not support people who are abusing the system, not because we are afraid of a lawsuit. We can't please everyone all the time but trust me, we are on your side. If you guys want to send me the stuff I have requested, I promise to work on getting it fixed. If you don't want to and would like to just keep being mad at me, that's your prerogative.

I have already contacted that affiliate and yes, I am talking to them directly on the phone tomorrow and the matter will be resolved.

Josh, Fleshlight hurtn' for sales or something? This is cut and dry - Update your TOS and put an end to this. :upsidedow

Could you please address this?

I am just wondering if the same applies to regular affiliates as well. It used to be that if you were an affiliate and you had CP up on your domains, sponsors would terminate your account, keep your money, and ban you. It seems now that this policy is selectively enforced.

Is there a cut off for this. Such as if we send $3,000,000 in sales a year it is okay? Just wondering. What is the figure? Is it the same for stolen content too? Can a regular small time affiliate use stolen content all over their domain but it will be okay as long as those pages do not have your ads.
Where can I find this in your terms. TIA

:batman :batman

Exactly, well put. I thought when Ramos was handling Fleshlight PR it was a disaster, but Josh now has it in full trainwreck mode. I have to believe he is new to the industry or to handling public relations. Whining about negative board comments because your company didn't take a proactive policy stance is not going to win you any new affiliates. Instead of waiting for the complaints to come in, why not spend some time and actually look at the sites that are sending you traffic.

obviously they would lose too many sales, otherwise it would have been a quick decision

We monitor sites randomly, daily. If someone brings up a particular infraction, we look into it and determine if there is indeed an issue. If an issue is found, the affiliate is dealt with accordingly.

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anyone who knowingly finances piracy through some wishy washy stance is guilty as the person who stole the content. its not hard to find out where your traffic comes from even if you are a rookie traffic manager. you shut off that torrent traffic, you shut off a sizeable amount of income. the intellect runs high in this industry, none of us are dummies.

well, there's a few, but not many that can stay around for very long if they're not intelligent.

Phone? since phone-number is not a part of your NATS affiliate info, how do you for some reason have their phone-number ready? is it because you have talked to the people before?

Was this a Freudian slip?

Since this infraction was found .. and i am telling you that our movies on that site are indeed stolen content ... how will they be delt with?

Megan

They won't be, of course.

I could go the personal route with you BA and we could argue all night long..I have told you what I am going to do and I'll let the board know what comes of it tomorrow...bash me as you may but just remember, I have never bashed you and regardless of what comes of this issue (because we will make everyone happy) my opinion of you has changed.

Remember, you need to EMAIL it to him, or it wont be dealt with. Forums are not professional

This is the very typical process for a company that doesn't have any skin in the game themselves.

Fleshlight has no content, no digital product to be stolen, so they have little or no consideration for the producers that would have their product stolen. The entire concept is "show me something that is illegal, and we will take narrow action on that particular file / page combination" - in the mean time snapping up as much traffic as they can.

Fleshlight's policy is, in my opinion, abusive of the adult industry. Everyone who produces content should insist that they content NEVER appear on a domain that has fleshlight ads.

If they want the torrent traffic, let them have it - just don't let them be in the adult industry anymore.

As I stated earlier, I am talking to the affiliate via telephone first thing tomorrow morning and this issue will be dealt with. I take what you have to say to heart and as I said before, I am on your side. Give me the benefit of the doubt and bash me all you want tomorrow if I don't follow through.

You don't get it, you can't make everyone happy on this issue. You either please those who are infringing other's work and allow them to continue advertising your product or you delete their account and make us happy.

Well here's kinda the problem Josh, what do you tell them, please change your torrent site into.... something else, that does.... something else?

I mean explain to us an example of how you made someone comply with your (seemingly made up) rules?

You talked on the phone to X, and they agreed to do X.. Fill in the X's please.. How do you get a torrent site to comply, and still have oodles of stolen content?

Alex, you are one wise mofo....one of the few people on gfy that I always read their posts

you are 100% right, companies like fleshlight should not be considered in the adult industry, they have no cards in the game

Spinning spinning spinning, typical shit. Same as Lars pulls. "Problem will be dealt with".
I know how else it can be dealt with. Click the ban button in NATS.

But that means a LOT of lost sales, so why would they do that? They'd rather piss off the content producers than piss off their sales makers.

Don't need to be brilliant to figure out that they don't give a fuck about a bunch of GFY posters, TGP owners, Content Companies etc. They got legal council that says unless they have a nude child on THEIR banner they are fine, and they are more than willing to milk that.