50. I beat Julius :)

WORDS ! :thumbsup

.xxx top domain would create a virtual internet ghetto. Too easy for any ISP to block adult content access to surfers...

Pipe dream outcome:

.XXX gets approved

congress passes a law to make .XXX mandatory

obscenity cases for violating community standards is no longer prosecutable because a .XXX labeling law would show federal/national acceptance of the content.


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This alternate universe should put the fear of god in religious folks to do what they can to ensure .XXX does not get created to lead to this ending

:winkwink:


Fight the unintended consequences!

in the real world, maxhardcorexxx.com gets nailed for obscenity, in Bizarro World, maxhardcore.xxx wouldn't

:1orglaugh

Fight the things that make you go hmmmmmmmm!

Not this again. But ya, $100 million / year projected revenues and if they have 100,000 pre-registrations (for actual money) then they have the bank to push.

I really hope this doesn't happen. The internet is fine the way it is. These guys just want to make a few bucks.

Again!? Am I the only one feeling deja-vu here? :P

Hey men this gif scary me, What it mean?

This really gets under my skin. I don't even want to get started giving my opinion, but I agree it's an absolutely AWFUL idea and it better not go through.

Blah blah.. this is just some spin so that they can soak up more registration fees while the domains go nowhere.. fuck .XXX

I do not support something that is so easliy regulated and censored via isp's such as .xxx

forcing someone into a .xxx extension is censorship..

here's another bump

There's really no way that unintended consequence could occur. The very nature of the Miller test defies the notion of having a national/federal standard -- the whole idea is that each individual community (as problematic as that term is) is subject to its own 'standard,' which is defined by a jury selected from the given community, only AFTER an indictment is entered.

Second, this pipe dream hypothetical also assumes that .XXX's content policies would be open enough to approve all the same types and categories of content that we currently publish on our .coms. This is hardly a given, as ICM has not proposed any set of best practices or content policies yet (correct me if I'm wrong) and IFFOR, the body that would be responsible for setting such policies, has not been defined yet, itself.

This brings me around to my primary reason for being against .XXX: I don't know what it is.

Personally, I have a very hard time supporting things that are pretty much entirely undefined. It's like being asked to back a politician without being told who they are, which party they belong to, or what their platform is. No thanks.

Could somebody point me to the relevant article that stipulates that .XXX would be regulated once it is allowed as a TLD? Sounds to me that .XXX is more of an "opt-in" kind of deal and that being said, nothing more than a money-grab for the associated registrar (like .info, for example). I doubt that ICANN will ever become instrumental in regulating content.

BUMP for the later crew.

additional background info/history at the archived pages of fightthedotxxx.com at archive.org
. I had just let the domain lapse for renewal and its no longer a live site.

List of those who had taken a public stand against .XXX This list was sent to ICANN when they were doing their voting, last updated: 6-mar-07 :

Free Speech Coalition (trade association)

Adult Video News (AVN)

Xbiz

Hustler

Wicked Pictures

Private Entertainment

Tom Hymes (adult industry advocate)

Home Grown Video (paysites)

YNOT (webmaster resource site)

Adam & Eve (novelties and video)

SmashBucks (paysites)

LightSpeed (paysites)

Sunny Dollars (paysites)

Webmaster Paradise (content plugins)

ATKINGDOM (paysites)

Porn Profit (paysites)

The SCORE Group (paysites)

HotMovies.com (video on demand)

Choker Traffic (traffic broker)

Quentin Boyer (individual)

MojoHost (ISP)

Yanks Cash (paysites)

Sex Pictures Pass (AVS)

Pimps Promo (marketing)

Team Click Cash (paysites)

Amazing Content (content producer)

Payserve (paysites)

AskJolene (search engine)

Nysus (internet entrepreneur)

Twistys (paysites)

arikaames.com (paysite)

kickass.com (paysites)

Len Palmer (internet entrepreneur)

Marc (formerly of Matrix Content)

Harley Girl (webgoddess)

Iron Griffin Media (free sites)

AdultWebmasterLabor.com (webmaster resource)

Lowkey Productions (video production)

tiffinivids.com (Amateur Video)

afsac.org (advocacy group)

InGayPorn.com (blog)

12clicks (internet bon vivant)

ObjectCube (software for adult)

Babagirl (adult webmistress)

The Adult Broker (marketing consultant)

PPPcard.net (payment solution)

XXXRewards/Karups (paysite)

MikeSouth.com (video producer/director)

Aly (industry personality)

SplitInfinity Networks, INC (webhost)

OC3 Networks (webhost/ISP)

Wasteland.com (paysite)

Fredricks Media Group (Producers/ web sites)

3Fall Productions (producers, paysites)

bellavendetta.com (fetish website)

Wolfy (webmaster)

Internet Co. (paysites)

DarkLady (journalist)

Consumption Junction (free site)

NichePay (paysites)

JDL "juicy" Media Group (Consulting Firm)

WorldWideContent.com (content provider)

sponsorslist.com (webmaster resource site)

Spunkycash (paysites)

Serpent Studios S.A. (paysites)

John Foulds "jayeff" (webmaster)

ViceReview.com (paysite reviews)

URLSX.com (webmaster resource)

eAdultIndustry.com (webmaster resource)

sponsorspecs.com (adult sponsor resource)

interracial-living.com (paysites)

AAA News (online retailer)

BBS-LA (ISP)

Mob Bucks (paysites)

KB (marketeur/industry personality)

BlueToon Media (paysites)

WWW. COM INC (concerned tax payer)

J. D. Obenberger and Associates (attorney)

Eric M. Bernstein (attorney)

Eric Frey (webmaster)

AEBN (video on-demand)

Silvercash (paysites)

WebOverdrive.com (webmaster resource)

SunUp Media Group, Inc. (paysites, content)

SunDown Media Group, Inc. (paysites)

Ademia Multimedia (plugins)

National A-1 Internet (ISP)

JQMedia aka Jays XXX Links (traffic master)

OC Cash (paysites)

MacDaddy Bucks (paysites)

tony404 (photographer/editor)

iAlien LLC (designer)

Laughing Loon Productions, L.L.C (webmaster)

Laughing Loon Productions, L.L.C (webmaster)

Eye Candi, LLC

Octogy Media Partners, LLC

SkyFu Media LLC

JDL Media Group

SAP Investments

JJB Inc

Royal Trading Group

AADC and Associates

Deck Swabbers Inc.

Verified Networks Inc.

Verified AVS Inc.

GetVerified.com

Webmaster Paradise (content producer)

Star Marketing Group LLC

F.U.B.A.R. Webmasters

Jaguar Webmedia

Adult Image Brokers

WTF Media Inc.

Dave Cummings Productions

E4AProductions.com

Shane's World

RAGECASH

EXTREME PAYCHECKS

SmutDealer.com

VAS Media Group

Housewivescash.com

123bill (online payment processor)

Axis-Adult.com

Web Wizard, Inc.

HowIgotRich.com

After Shock Media

xxxkey.com

traffictitan.com

Adult Rental

Platinum Bucks

Duke Dollars

Rhinopays

cazador media (websites)

media conductor (streaming media provider)

DVDsforaBuck.com

Pretty Girls Cash (paysites)

69kHz Enterprises (Online Adult Entertainment)

Gaybucks

adultmovieclub.com

triplexcash.com

STICKI

RamJetVideo.com

MarkiesBigDickClub.com

intimatefashionz.com

sexshowcase.net

Legit Cash

J2Media.net (V_RocKs - Websites/PPC/Adult Blogs)

DragonCom Inc (paysites, freesitess)

Greenguy Marketing, Inc (freesites, webmaster community)

DatingGold

AffordableSiteDesign.com

SurferBucks.com


(there are alot of names that you know that are not on this list. Many didn't want to take a public stand against .XXX for fear of losing their traffic deals -even though they were against .XXX- with those who did support .XXX )


Fight the Flashback!

I get a creepy sense of "Deja Vu.":disgust:disgust:disgust

Early morning bump :thumbsup

.xxx might well be the final blow to most of us----tube sites, 2257, and extensive "tours" on pay sites are small problems (relatively, at least) compared to what I think .xxx could do to Internet porn.

I'd love for someone to post an authentic list of companies/sites who supported .xxx (by not joining those of us who voiced concern to ICANN last year); PLEASE!!!!!!!!!??????????

That would be a interesting list to see but it wont happen in our lifetimes.

time for a new bump

why dont people just start mentioning names? my mom told me to never mess with the way a man feeds his family.

That's very true but when their actions could cut off thousands from feeding their families. Makes you think for a moment.

Fight the bump!

Hump the Bump!

I had a feeling this would come back... again and again. I don't support it and heres a bump.

Just wished this would go away........

.xxx is a bad idea, its been a bad idea all along...

but money talks, we shall see....

what a surprise, .xxx rears its head again

iAlien Still stands opposed as well.

If there is a run up for Icann to have another meeting regarding .XXX that requests Industry people to sign letters of opposition please let me know Brandon!


Guys don't worry about it to much before Icann can approve they must consider and have a vote. If the industry shows it's teeth like it did last time .XXX will still fall in flames.

So it is important to keep some news letter to webmasters or find info if that event should ever come again.

The guy that is behind .XXX is well funded and much cash he wont go away easily but we can keep slapping the fuck head down to prevent .XXX from ever happening.

The whole thing needs a redraw from head to toe, the current version .XXX is nothing but a money grab that does nothing to serve our industry in the remotest of sense. I will officially say that I would back an adult TLD if it were drawn properly.

oh shit....this .XXX thing is like an EX wife....

This thing has to die PERIOD !
If you're afraid about tube sites and torrents, well this is nothing compare to what .xxx would do to our biz !

It would be so easy to "ghettoized" everything. Like make a huge international online "red light".
It would be so easy after for ISP's to ban access to .xxx extentions. Now as i see it, Obama will be the next president ? Do you REALLY REALLY want .xxx domains ?:Oh crap

shakeup of internet proposed (bbc):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm




'Shake-up' for internet proposed
By Darren Waters
Technology editor, BBC News website

Cable
Icann oversees the structure of the net

The net could see its biggest transformation in decades if plans to open up the address system are passed.

The net's regulators will vote on Thursday to decide if the strict rules on so-called top level domain names, such as .com or .uk, can be relaxed.

If approved, it could allow companies to turn their brands into domain names while individuals could also carve out their own corner of the net.

The move could also see the launch of .xxx, after years of wrangling.

Top level domains are currently limited to individual countries, such as .uk (UK) or .it (Italy), as well as to commerce, .com, and to institutional organisations, such as .net, or .org.

To get around the restrictions, some companies have used the current system to their own ends.

For example, the Polynesia island nation Tuvalu, has leased the use of the .tv address to many television firms.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann), which acts a sort of regulator for the net, as well as overseeing the domain name system, has been working towards opening up net addresses for the last three years.


It's a massive increase in the geography of the real estate of the internet
Dr Paul Twomey, Icann

The plan would also allow for the new domain names to be internationalised, and so could be written in scripts for Asian and Arabic languages.

Dr Paul Twomey, chief executive of Icann, told BBC News that the proposals would result in the biggest change to the way the internet worked in decades.

"The impact of this will be different in different parts of the world. But it will allow groups, communities and business to express their identities online.

"Like the United States in the 19th Century, we are in the process of opening up new real estate, new land, and people will go out and claim parts of that land and use it for various reasons they have.

"It's a massive increase in the geography of the real estate of the internet."

Arbitration process

Hundreds of new domain names could be created by the end of the year, rising to thousands in the future.

HAVE YOUR SAY

I'm all for tighter regulation, not opening it up further which would only facilitate fraud

Karen, London



Icann says any string of letters can be registered as a domain, but there will be an independent arbitration process for people with grounds for objection.

The openness of the new system could pave the way for a .xxx domain name, after more than half a decade of wrangling between its backers and Icann.

The latest attempt to launch .xxx was rejected by Icann last year on the grounds that approval would put the agency into the position of a content regulator.

When asked about the possibility of a .xxx domain name, Dr Twomey repeated only that the new system would be "open to anyone".

The move could yet be blocked as the independent arbitration panel can reject domains based on "morality or public order" grounds.

Dr Twomey said Icann was still working through how much the application fee to register a domain name will be, but it is expected to be at least several thousand dollars.

'Cost recovery'

"We are doing this on a cost recovery basis. We've already spent $10m on this," he said.

Individuals will be able to register a domain based on their own name, or any other string of letters, as long as they can show a "business plan and technical capacity".

While companies will be able to secure domain names based on their intellectual property easily, some domain names could become subject to contention and a bidding war.

Dr Twomey said: "If there is a dispute, we will try and get the parties together to work it out. But if that fails there will be an auction and the domain will go to the highest bidder."



Fight the copy/paste!

ICANN is looking to get rid of the "sponsored TLD" part, so if they do that, .XXX wouldn't have to prove that they have adult community support (which they don't)

So .XXX can come back with a new application, and get approved.

I said this from the beginning, that if there were no IFFOR part, this would be just another TLD and adult industry couldn't stop it.. and from there, its an open market.

Having IFFOR and all the rules that IFFOR would place on .XXX is what screwed up the .XXX application to begin with.


Fight the .xxx!

I see this thread is bumped and it's good, as it raises awarness, but really, does anyone know what the procedure will be? When can we expect the Review Panel to meet? Have the panelists been appointed so far? How much time do they have for that and for taking a decision?

Looks like no one here can really answer these questions.
I haven't also noticed any attention to this subject from the mainstream media yet.
Neither a mention on icann.org website about the ICM's Petition.

Hopefully this is just the last act of desperation from ICM and I would be surprised if this Panel suddenly found some ground for reversing last year's Board's decision.

So..hm... I guess no one can answer the above questions.
This thread can be still bumped I guess, although as it seems right now, there's no need (or: no possibility) so submit any public comments to ICANN anyway.

Basically, if I understand it right, nothing is happening right now, ICANN got the petition and they're wondering how to handle it I guess.

Wow, that's quite big news there.
Don't really know what to say about this, other than that I hope that ICANN will vote against going in this totally new direction.

Besides making posts on porn message boards, has anyone done anything substantial to fight this? Any tradegroup formed to lobby ICANN?

Good domain :thumbsup

And an early morning bump for the cause.

ICANN is never going to become that sort of regulatory body. So far, I haven't read anything which remotely suggests otherwise.

This is potentially SCARRY:-(.

FSC did some lobbying, but the bulk was webmasters taking the time to post up the ICANN board for public comment. ON the last go-around, we over 1,000 webmasters post up in opposition.

right now, its an internal ICANN issue, but ICANN does need to be reminded that the adult community does not want .XXX

Fight the .$$$

I just read this. That article doesn't make things look good. If the approve this change it could open the door for .xxx and then all bets are off.

exactly

or .sex or .porn


Fight the TLDs!

Why? I really don't get it.

Well, the .xxx TLD is a somewhat major thing. There could be some serious legal issues involved. Say for example you paid a ton of money for the domain porn.com and you spent even more developing it. You could make the argument that you then should be given the first dibs to buy porn.xxx and if someone else buys it you might then claim that you own the name rights and lawsuits can start flying. This can be easily fixed by ICM allowing the owners of a .com the option to be the first to buy the .xxx version of their name but they will most likely want to auction off the premium names so this may not happen.

What could eventually be more difficult is if the government then decides that all adult material needs to be on a .xxx. They could easily pass that law. There is no way of knowing if it would hold up in court, but they could pass it. Let's not forget the courts ruled during the COPA trial publishing to the internet is not a guaranteed right so they could rule that you still get freedom to publish your porn, you just have to follow the rules. If this would happen it could make filtering and blocking access much easier. That could be a good thing because freeloaders would be cut down and those that really want porn and are not just surfing out of curiosity would pay/ask for access to it. The problem then comes back to the original problem which is then who owns what. Say they don't allow owners of .coms to get first crack at the .xxx of their name. so now you paid a ton for porn.com, someone else owns porn.xxx and you now have to shut down porn.com or spend another truckload of money buying porn.xxx. Is that fair?

there are other potential issues like some countries simply not recognizing the .xxx extension and other censorship issues. IMO a .xxx would cause more trouble than it would solve.

nice write up from bob at xbiz : ICANN to Consider Free-Form Top-Level Domains

excerpt:

CYBERSPACE ? In a move that could give the .XXX top-level domain a back-door onto the Internet, ICANN will vote Thursday on a proposal to relax requirements for top-level domains.

If approved, the proposal could potentially let companies and individuals make up their own top-level domains in a fashion similar to how some countries have made use of the top-level domains assigned to them........

(more)





Fight the link challenged!

I would also like to see this list.

What I would like to know is, isn't that list open to the public, if it did in fact exists? This lawley guy claims to have many that preregistered the .xxx domains or am I wrong?

lawley also claims he has mounds of documentation by individuals that back his bogus movement, but I don't think anyone has seen proof of this and we should have access to that list too.

If I am right then anyone should be able to see that list, especially when he is using it as leverage to sway ICANN.

Things just are not adding up!

I smell lawley all over this. What a cleaver way to slip the .xxx TLD in.
This guy is like a termite, he is going to keep chewing away at this until he gets his way or we take a stand against him and his nefarious ways, again and again.
If he gets in the back door, it's only a matter of time until he wants more!

This guy is not thinking about you, children or anything that could help the system, but rather thinking about lining his fat pockets with everyone's money......:disgust

Under this new system anything can be a new domain. For example Coke could have a .coke so they could have sites like diet.coke, cherry.coke. Apple could have mac.apple, ipod.apple, iphone.apple, etc etc. So someone could create .xxx and the government could make .xxx manatory.

Exactly!!
And sneaking through the back door seems to be his new thing :disgust

Has this new system been in the works for a while now with ICANN, or did it just come to light because lawley has his feathers in an uproar?

As far as I am aware there is no such actual plan in place to make .xxx mandatory if it is allowed to pass. ICM (the people trying to get it to pass) have even said they strongly oppose that happening and would set aside some of the money that they earn from selling the domains to fight anything like that. So if it is allowed to pass and .xxx is born at first it will be nothing more than another TLD just like .com, .net, .ca and so on.

Where the worry comes into play is with the US government. They love making statements and what better statement then to pass a law mandating that all porn sites have to reside on a .xxx. Of course only about half the sites on the web are owned by people in the US so there would still be many sites that didn't have to follow that rule. Icann would not have to be involved at all. It would be pretty simple. They find a porn site that is not on .xxx, find out who owns it and if they are US based, bust them. There could also be a very simple step from there to force ISPs to block the .xxx by default and make people call into the ISPs and request that they be given access to it. Most people would not because they would be too embarrased to call up their cable company and tell them they want access to porn, especially since there would still be plenty of porn out there from Non-US based sites.

This is all worst case scenario, but things like this are often a slippery slope and once you go down that road it is hard to turn back so it is best to avoid the first step all together if possible.

regarding non us based porn sites that use a .xxx:
can ICANN take the domain from them for that ? is there no one that can stop non us based webmasters from putting XXX content on a non .XXX domain ?

once this all goes down that is... and it will I think...