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FightThisPatent 06-24-2008 04:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zester (Post 14368068)
regarding non us based porn sites that use a .xxx:
can ICANN take the domain from them for that ? is there no one that can stop non us based webmasters from putting XXX content on a non .XXX domain ?
ICANN doesn't have that in their laws on .com about what content can be there or not.

Only .gov and .edu are specific on the content.

ICANN is international, so if they did make those rules, it would affect non-US websites as well.

I don't think ICANN would make a rule that says if you have a porn .com you must move it to .XXX That kind of rule would be make by the lawmakers of individual countries.


Fight the not OK Corral!

halfpint 06-24-2008 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 14361729)

It would be so easy to "ghettoized" everything. Like make a huge international online "red light".

I heard something similar a while back before I even got involved with the adult biz, I think it was something like they wanted all adult sites to be put into a huge "online red light district" so to say and they wanted them completly alienated from mainstream sites.

I had only vaguely heard about this .xxx until this thread and this will def hurt the adult biz pretty bad, now I understand more what its all about. Think I am gonna post this on other adult forums

polish_aristocrat 06-24-2008 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 14366557)
Exactly!!
And sneaking through the back door seems to be his new thing :disgust

Has this new system been in the works for a while now with ICANN, or did it just come to light because lawley has his feathers in an uproar?
I am not sure if this has been in the works for a while, as I was surprised by this news.. but I guess, it has been prepared for a while indeed and it's something totally seperate from Lawley. But if it gets implemented (if the new TLD rules become much more relaxed) then Lawley will have it much easier to finally receive his .xxx.

But aside from .xxx, I see completely no point in suddenly restructuring the internet.

It will confuse the hell out of typical internet users, it will encourage scammers, it will constitue more legal fees and money spent to register domains only to protect trademarks... and it will be just useless.

I think that even though most of us are entrepreneuers, who in general oppose regulation, there are some exceptions and this is one of them.

Suddenly enabling hundreds of new .TLD's to be added to the internet, will do no good.
Any of you can name any sites using the current .TLD's like .aero or .museum.. or .pro... or even .eu?

Hardly anyone uses them, as most serious organisations use .com , then .net and .org, and also the local country code domains like .co.uk, or .de .

So there's absolutely no point in adding new domains AT ALL, I guess ICANN is considering it only for the money, as these guys are quite smart and educated and experienced so I can't imagine that they really think that adding new domains will make the internet a better place.

FightThisPatent 06-24-2008 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 14369285)
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But aside from .xxx, I see completely no point in suddenly restructuring the internet.

It will confuse the hell out of typical internet users, it will encourage scammers, it will constitue more legal fees and money spent to register domains only to protect trademarks... and it will be just useless.

I think that even though most of us are entrepreneuers, who in general oppose regulation, there are some exceptions and this is one of them.

Suddenly enabling hundreds of new .TLD's to be added to the internet, will do no good.
Any of you can name any sites using the current .TLD's like .aero or .museum.. or .pro... or even .eu?

Hardly anyone uses them, as most serious organisations use .com , then .net and .org, and also the local country code domains like .co.uk, or .de .

So there's absolutely no point in adding new domains AT ALL, I guess ICANN is considering it only for the money, as these guys are quite smart and educated and experienced so I can't imagine that they really think that adding new domains will make the internet a better place.

what he said!

Tim Berner-Lee, creator of the world wide web, felt the same way about all these namespaces.

He should have patented WWW and then let everyone use for free, and if someone got stupid like Acacia, .XXX, etc. he could have revoked their license.


Fight the hindsight!

tony286 06-24-2008 06:59 PM
I was thinking about it we could wind up with a .xxx,.adult,.sex,.porn,.xrated and god knows what else could be thought up. Also lets say its like hd dvd and blue ray, who knows which will be the winning .tld for porn but you got to buy them all to protect yourself until the .tld's war is over.

FightThisPatent 06-24-2008 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14372202)
....Also lets say its like hd dvd and blue ray, who knows which will be the winning .tld for porn but you got to buy them all to protect yourself until the .tld's war is over.

like how in lawsuits, usually the attornies are the ones that make out.. with this opening up of the TLD "namespace", the only ones profiting are the registry, registrars, and the domainers.

Businesses will have to spend more money in protecting their brand to acquire the domains and file lawsuits. Consumers will get confused. Which, with all the confusion, they may just ignore the TLDs and stick with the .com

Look at .info and .biz Any website that i see with that extension, i automatically don't take seriously. Many are seo/scam websites.

I believe the consumers will get it, and just stick with the .com


I want to start .$$$ TLD for all the get rick quick websites, the nigerian emails, the chinese emails, the pharma sites, etc. All would be welcomed for a yearly fee of $9,999.99


Fight the .$$$!

FightThisPatent 06-25-2008 05:11 AM
We'll see what happens tomorrow at ICANN.

Fight the countdown!

MaDalton 06-25-2008 07:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 14368102)
ICANN doesn't have that in their laws on .com about what content can be there or not.

Only .gov and .edu are specific on the content.

ICANN is international, so if they did make those rules, it would affect non-US websites as well.

I don't think ICANN would make a rule that says if you have a porn .com you must move it to .XXX That kind of rule would be make by the lawmakers of individual countries.


Fight the not OK Corral!

but what if US gov decides to tell the ISPs to block all porn that is not .xxx ?

and then later switch that off as well?

scary situation...

FightThisPatent 06-25-2008 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 14373749)
but what if US gov decides to tell the ISPs to block all porn that is not .xxx ?
the day that happens, is the day we live in the United States of Amerika


Fight the Rammstein!

polish_aristocrat 06-25-2008 11:30 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...om-854129.html


Quote:
The internet will change beyond recognition by as early as next year in what is being billed as one of the most radical shake-ups over how net addresses work, if a vote to relax domain name rules is approved tomorrow.


After three years of negotiations the organisation that regulates the World Wide Web will decide during a meeting in Paris tomorrow afternoon whether it should open up the strict rules governing top-level domains, the technical term for the suffixes that appear at the end of internet addresses such as ?.org? or ?.com?.

In a separate, but equally significant move for the developing world, the regulators will also begin allowing new scripts into a cyber-world that, until now, has been dominated by the Roman alphabet.

Although web pages support non-Roman scripts there are currently no provisions to include them in the address system that navigates users to a specific page. Critics say that stops billions of people in the developing world from accessing the internet because they can only read their indigenous script.

If the provisions are approved the move could also pave the way for companies to buy up the right to use their own name as a suffix by the middle on 2009. Microsoft.com, for instance, could change its address to Microsoft.microsoft while individuals would be able to subscribe to any number of terms to use in their own internet addresses.

The pornography industry, which accounts for approximately 12 per cent of all internet content, is also hoping to be allowed to use .xxx as a domain name. It argues that would make it easier for customers to find their sites, while enabling those who do not wish to view porn a greater capacity to block it.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann), the not-for-profit organisation that has regulated domain names since 1998, has spent over £10m trying to find a way to expand the accessibility of the net after countries in developing world complained it was overly dominated by developed nations.

In order to recoup the cost of the negotiations, sources say companies will be expected to pay out a ?six figure sum? to register their own name.

There will also be discussions to include a fast-track system for some of the most commonly used scripts such as Arabic, Mandarin and Cyrillic.

Emily Taylor, a delegate attending the conference in Paris on behalf of Nominet, one of the world?s largest internet registries, said including non-Roman scripts could be a major turning point in the history of the internet. ?There are currently 1.5 billion people using the internet which means there are a good 4.5 billion people not doing so,? she said. ?These people are not from Europe or America, most of them will be from developing world nations where the Roman script is meaningless.?

Some have expressed fears that the creation of new suffixes could confuse internet users but others believe that the industry will regulate itself.

?The .com suffix is so well established I don?t think that many companies will want to replace it,? said Duncan Bell, managing editor of T3 technology magazine. ?Microsoft.microsoft is not only harder to remember, it takes longer to type.?

:disgust

FightThisPatent 06-26-2008 08:53 AM
They have a real time text feed of the meeting in paris:

http://par.icann.org/


Fight the lost in translation!

polish_aristocrat 06-26-2008 09:01 AM
I didnt watch the feed, but I saw an article saying that they already voted to approve the new relaxed TLD rules...

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=837442

Nikki_Licks 06-26-2008 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 14373749)
but what if US gov decides to tell the ISPs to block all porn that is not .xxx ?

and then later switch that off as well?

scary situation...
Then it will be time for me and my wife to leave this crooked corrupt government behind and find a new place to live :winkwink:

I don't think they can make the rest of the world comply. This government needs to get over trying to run the world!

davecummings 06-26-2008 01:37 PM
From a post I made earlier to another related thread:

"I worry that the religious right will pressure gov't to mandate the move of any/all sexual matter sites to .xxx (Stuart Lawley?) or .sex; then, after more political pressure, the gov't will consider mandating the shutdown of all .xxx/.sex traffic.

IMO, maybe present adult-related .com sites should all chip in and apply to obtain the .kids domain TLD/Registry -- and, then launch a nationwide push for all responsible parents to use filters so that their kids can access only .kids domains (and some .com sites that the parents approve for their kids to access!)? We need to show the gov't that it need not censor adult .com access when all that would be needed is for parents to parent (i.e., what Internet access their kids have). At the same time, running the .kids might become a profitable business for the ICANN approved .kids registry????????
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Karupted Charles 06-26-2008 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by davecummings (Post 14380485)
From a post I made earlier to another related thread:

"I worry that the religious right will pressure gov't to mandate the move of any/all sexual matter sites to .xxx (Stuart Lawley?) or .sex; then, after more political pressure, the gov't will consider mandating the shutdown of all .xxx/.sex traffic.

IMO, maybe present adult-related .com sites should all chip in and apply to obtain the .kids domain TLD/Registry -- and, then launch a nationwide push for all responsible parents to use filters so that their kids can access only .kids domains (and some .com sites that the parents approve for their kids to access!)? We need to show the gov't that it need not censor adult .com access when all that would be needed is for parents to parent (i.e., what Internet access their kids have). At the same time, running the .kids might become a profitable business for the ICANN approved .kids registry????????
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This is America it is not parents job to raise there children. Otherwise what good would TV, video games, the internet and failing schools do?

Silly rabbit kids raise themselves and its everyone else's fault everybody knows that </sarcasm>

kane 06-26-2008 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karupted Charles (Post 14380549)
This is America it is not parents job to raise there children. Otherwise what good would TV, video games, the internet and failing schools do?

Silly rabbit kids raise themselves and its everyone else's fault everybody knows that </sarcasm>
So sad but true. The governments argument for bringing COPA back is that filters work, but over 50% of families are not using them. So if you are actually being a good parent and monitoring your kid on the internet the government doesn't trust you and still wants to pass laws to protect you.

GeorgeK 01-23-2009 01:57 PM
ICM Registry yesterday posted additional documents related to their appeal of the .xxx decision, see:

http://www.icmregistry.com/irp.html

baddog 09-08-2010 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 14355258)
List of those who had taken a public stand against .XXX This list was sent to ICANN when they were doing their voting, last updated: 6-mar-07 :

tony404 (photographer/editor)
Guess what people say in public and what they do for real are not necessarily the same thing. :2 cents:

grumpy 09-08-2010 08:37 AM
why is it so bad? we can do with some regulations, maybe this time some webmasters stay in line


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