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shakeup of internet proposed (bbc):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm 'Shake-up' for internet proposed By Darren Waters Technology editor, BBC News website Cable Icann oversees the structure of the net The net could see its biggest transformation in decades if plans to open up the address system are passed. The net's regulators will vote on Thursday to decide if the strict rules on so-called top level domain names, such as .com or .uk, can be relaxed. If approved, it could allow companies to turn their brands into domain names while individuals could also carve out their own corner of the net. The move could also see the launch of .xxx, after years of wrangling. Top level domains are currently limited to individual countries, such as .uk (UK) or .it (Italy), as well as to commerce, .com, and to institutional organisations, such as .net, or .org. To get around the restrictions, some companies have used the current system to their own ends. For example, the Polynesia island nation Tuvalu, has leased the use of the .tv address to many television firms. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann), which acts a sort of regulator for the net, as well as overseeing the domain name system, has been working towards opening up net addresses for the last three years. It's a massive increase in the geography of the real estate of the internet Dr Paul Twomey, Icann The plan would also allow for the new domain names to be internationalised, and so could be written in scripts for Asian and Arabic languages. Dr Paul Twomey, chief executive of Icann, told BBC News that the proposals would result in the biggest change to the way the internet worked in decades. "The impact of this will be different in different parts of the world. But it will allow groups, communities and business to express their identities online. "Like the United States in the 19th Century, we are in the process of opening up new real estate, new land, and people will go out and claim parts of that land and use it for various reasons they have. "It's a massive increase in the geography of the real estate of the internet." Arbitration process Hundreds of new domain names could be created by the end of the year, rising to thousands in the future. HAVE YOUR SAY I'm all for tighter regulation, not opening it up further which would only facilitate fraud Karen, London Icann says any string of letters can be registered as a domain, but there will be an independent arbitration process for people with grounds for objection. The openness of the new system could pave the way for a .xxx domain name, after more than half a decade of wrangling between its backers and Icann. The latest attempt to launch .xxx was rejected by Icann last year on the grounds that approval would put the agency into the position of a content regulator. When asked about the possibility of a .xxx domain name, Dr Twomey repeated only that the new system would be "open to anyone". The move could yet be blocked as the independent arbitration panel can reject domains based on "morality or public order" grounds. Dr Twomey said Icann was still working through how much the application fee to register a domain name will be, but it is expected to be at least several thousand dollars. 'Cost recovery' "We are doing this on a cost recovery basis. We've already spent $10m on this," he said. Individuals will be able to register a domain based on their own name, or any other string of letters, as long as they can show a "business plan and technical capacity". While companies will be able to secure domain names based on their intellectual property easily, some domain names could become subject to contention and a bidding war. Dr Twomey said: "If there is a dispute, we will try and get the parties together to work it out. But if that fails there will be an auction and the domain will go to the highest bidder." Fight the copy/paste! |
ICANN is looking to get rid of the "sponsored TLD" part, so if they do that, .XXX wouldn't have to prove that they have adult community support (which they don't)
So .XXX can come back with a new application, and get approved. I said this from the beginning, that if there were no IFFOR part, this would be just another TLD and adult industry couldn't stop it.. and from there, its an open market. Having IFFOR and all the rules that IFFOR would place on .XXX is what screwed up the .XXX application to begin with. Fight the .xxx! |
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Looks like no one here can really answer these questions. I haven't also noticed any attention to this subject from the mainstream media yet. Neither a mention on icann.org website about the ICM's Petition. Hopefully this is just the last act of desperation from ICM and I would be surprised if this Panel suddenly found some ground for reversing last year's Board's decision. So..hm... I guess no one can answer the above questions. This thread can be still bumped I guess, although as it seems right now, there's no need (or: no possibility) so submit any public comments to ICANN anyway. Basically, if I understand it right, nothing is happening right now, ICANN got the petition and they're wondering how to handle it I guess. |
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Don't really know what to say about this, other than that I hope that ICANN will vote against going in this totally new direction. |
Besides making posts on porn message boards, has anyone done anything substantial to fight this? Any tradegroup formed to lobby ICANN?
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And an early morning bump for the cause. |
ICANN is never going to become that sort of regulatory body. So far, I haven't read anything which remotely suggests otherwise.
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This is potentially SCARRY:-(.
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right now, its an internal ICANN issue, but ICANN does need to be reminded that the adult community does not want .XXX Fight the .$$$ |
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or .sex or .porn Fight the TLDs! |
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What could eventually be more difficult is if the government then decides that all adult material needs to be on a .xxx. They could easily pass that law. There is no way of knowing if it would hold up in court, but they could pass it. Let's not forget the courts ruled during the COPA trial publishing to the internet is not a guaranteed right so they could rule that you still get freedom to publish your porn, you just have to follow the rules. If this would happen it could make filtering and blocking access much easier. That could be a good thing because freeloaders would be cut down and those that really want porn and are not just surfing out of curiosity would pay/ask for access to it. The problem then comes back to the original problem which is then who owns what. Say they don't allow owners of .coms to get first crack at the .xxx of their name. so now you paid a ton for porn.com, someone else owns porn.xxx and you now have to shut down porn.com or spend another truckload of money buying porn.xxx. Is that fair? there are other potential issues like some countries simply not recognizing the .xxx extension and other censorship issues. IMO a .xxx would cause more trouble than it would solve. |
nice write up from bob at xbiz : ICANN to Consider Free-Form Top-Level Domains
excerpt: CYBERSPACE ? In a move that could give the .XXX top-level domain a back-door onto the Internet, ICANN will vote Thursday on a proposal to relax requirements for top-level domains. If approved, the proposal could potentially let companies and individuals make up their own top-level domains in a fashion similar to how some countries have made use of the top-level domains assigned to them........ (more) Fight the link challenged! |
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What I would like to know is, isn't that list open to the public, if it did in fact exists? This lawley guy claims to have many that preregistered the .xxx domains or am I wrong? lawley also claims he has mounds of documentation by individuals that back his bogus movement, but I don't think anyone has seen proof of this and we should have access to that list too. If I am right then anyone should be able to see that list, especially when he is using it as leverage to sway ICANN. Things just are not adding up! |
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This guy is like a termite, he is going to keep chewing away at this until he gets his way or we take a stand against him and his nefarious ways, again and again. If he gets in the back door, it's only a matter of time until he wants more! This guy is not thinking about you, children or anything that could help the system, but rather thinking about lining his fat pockets with everyone's money......:disgust |
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And sneaking through the back door seems to be his new thing :disgust Has this new system been in the works for a while now with ICANN, or did it just come to light because lawley has his feathers in an uproar? |
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Where the worry comes into play is with the US government. They love making statements and what better statement then to pass a law mandating that all porn sites have to reside on a .xxx. Of course only about half the sites on the web are owned by people in the US so there would still be many sites that didn't have to follow that rule. Icann would not have to be involved at all. It would be pretty simple. They find a porn site that is not on .xxx, find out who owns it and if they are US based, bust them. There could also be a very simple step from there to force ISPs to block the .xxx by default and make people call into the ISPs and request that they be given access to it. Most people would not because they would be too embarrased to call up their cable company and tell them they want access to porn, especially since there would still be plenty of porn out there from Non-US based sites. This is all worst case scenario, but things like this are often a slippery slope and once you go down that road it is hard to turn back so it is best to avoid the first step all together if possible. |
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can ICANN take the domain from them for that ? is there no one that can stop non us based webmasters from putting XXX content on a non .XXX domain ? once this all goes down that is... and it will I think... |
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Only .gov and .edu are specific on the content. ICANN is international, so if they did make those rules, it would affect non-US websites as well. I don't think ICANN would make a rule that says if you have a porn .com you must move it to .XXX That kind of rule would be make by the lawmakers of individual countries. Fight the not OK Corral! |
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I heard something similar a while back before I even got involved with the adult biz, I think it was something like they wanted all adult sites to be put into a huge "online red light district" so to say and they wanted them completly alienated from mainstream sites. I had only vaguely heard about this .xxx until this thread and this will def hurt the adult biz pretty bad, now I understand more what its all about. Think I am gonna post this on other adult forums |
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But aside from .xxx, I see completely no point in suddenly restructuring the internet. It will confuse the hell out of typical internet users, it will encourage scammers, it will constitue more legal fees and money spent to register domains only to protect trademarks... and it will be just useless. I think that even though most of us are entrepreneuers, who in general oppose regulation, there are some exceptions and this is one of them. Suddenly enabling hundreds of new .TLD's to be added to the internet, will do no good. Any of you can name any sites using the current .TLD's like .aero or .museum.. or .pro... or even .eu? Hardly anyone uses them, as most serious organisations use .com , then .net and .org, and also the local country code domains like .co.uk, or .de . So there's absolutely no point in adding new domains AT ALL, I guess ICANN is considering it only for the money, as these guys are quite smart and educated and experienced so I can't imagine that they really think that adding new domains will make the internet a better place. |
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what he said! Tim Berner-Lee, creator of the world wide web, felt the same way about all these namespaces. He should have patented WWW and then let everyone use for free, and if someone got stupid like Acacia, .XXX, etc. he could have revoked their license. Fight the hindsight! |
I was thinking about it we could wind up with a .xxx,.adult,.sex,.porn,.xrated and god knows what else could be thought up. Also lets say its like hd dvd and blue ray, who knows which will be the winning .tld for porn but you got to buy them all to protect yourself until the .tld's war is over.
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like how in lawsuits, usually the attornies are the ones that make out.. with this opening up of the TLD "namespace", the only ones profiting are the registry, registrars, and the domainers. Businesses will have to spend more money in protecting their brand to acquire the domains and file lawsuits. Consumers will get confused. Which, with all the confusion, they may just ignore the TLDs and stick with the .com Look at .info and .biz Any website that i see with that extension, i automatically don't take seriously. Many are seo/scam websites. I believe the consumers will get it, and just stick with the .com I want to start .$$$ TLD for all the get rick quick websites, the nigerian emails, the chinese emails, the pharma sites, etc. All would be welcomed for a yearly fee of $9,999.99 Fight the .$$$! |
We'll see what happens tomorrow at ICANN.
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but what if US gov decides to tell the ISPs to block all porn that is not .xxx ? and then later switch that off as well? scary situation... |
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Fight the Rammstein! |
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...om-854129.html
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:disgust |
They have a real time text feed of the meeting in paris:
http://par.icann.org/ Fight the lost in translation! |
I didnt watch the feed, but I saw an article saying that they already voted to approve the new relaxed TLD rules...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=837442 |
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I don't think they can make the rest of the world comply. This government needs to get over trying to run the world! |
From a post I made earlier to another related thread:
"I worry that the religious right will pressure gov't to mandate the move of any/all sexual matter sites to .xxx (Stuart Lawley?) or .sex; then, after more political pressure, the gov't will consider mandating the shutdown of all .xxx/.sex traffic. IMO, maybe present adult-related .com sites should all chip in and apply to obtain the .kids domain TLD/Registry -- and, then launch a nationwide push for all responsible parents to use filters so that their kids can access only .kids domains (and some .com sites that the parents approve for their kids to access!)? We need to show the gov't that it need not censor adult .com access when all that would be needed is for parents to parent (i.e., what Internet access their kids have). At the same time, running the .kids might become a profitable business for the ICANN approved .kids registry???????? __________________ |
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Silly rabbit kids raise themselves and its everyone else's fault everybody knows that </sarcasm> |
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ICM Registry yesterday posted additional documents related to their appeal of the .xxx decision, see:
http://www.icmregistry.com/irp.html |
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why is it so bad? we can do with some regulations, maybe this time some webmasters stay in line
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