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DAMNMAN 10-18-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14918727)
I have been trained, since I was 8 in a mixture of styles and a bit more in some special areas. Adrenaline to me, isn't the same as it is to you. It's a drug to me... I don't know what pain is. I can dislocate my shoulders, arms, fingers, feet.. I have reset my own bones in fights.

Chances of me getting into a real fight with you are slim, you would have to grab me first and either I think the threat is real or take a shot hard enough to set the rage in. I have to black out or I will just laugh at you.

It's not something that is a wonder for me, it has been tested over and over. Your live fights are on mats. Mine live fights are with people that have guns, knives, and are trained.. and they have the same choice as me, fight or die.

I'm still here.....

Thanks for this.

DAMNMAN 10-18-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14918750)
Yes it is. And I'm asking because NOBODY I've ever met who's stuck with BJJ long enough to get their blue believes this KF ninja crap. You can't believe it once you've been on the mat and seen how things really work, and anybody who gets their jugular bitten out dies in seconds. Even if they're 6'6" 260 lbs.


Well he was bleeding good enough to get him off of me and I had to take off my shirt before I walked past the cops at the door 'cause I looked like a blood suckin' freak.
Maybe my neck bittin' style needs work.

DAMNMAN 10-18-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14918756)
Adrenald Dump is the same for everyone. Fine motor skills go away, tunnel vision, sounds become mute.

Everyone thinks I have to grab someone to fight, I train MMA, that is all ranges. If it doesn't win in the ring, there's HUGE evidence it won't in the real world.

I know you've been shot, and survived, and in the service of our country, but that really doesn't make you superman. Those of us who do train and spar in an ALIVE martial art know that anyone, ANYONE can be beaten on any given day. No matter what you train in, how bad you think you are, etc etc.

Apparently I'm preaching to the choir, 'cause this is all I have been trying to say.

Sands 10-18-2008 02:39 PM

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter what martial art you practice... BJJ, Krav Maga, Muy Thai, and etc, because I can shoot laser beams from my finger tips. There's no beating that. Not even with guns.

Reminder: UFC 89 is on tonight, and it's free on Spike TV at that.

dig420 10-18-2008 02:42 PM

yeah, maybe. I got into a fight with 6 Hells Angels the other night because their women all wanted me, and I took 3 of them out with a psychic mind blast before the red haze dropped and I bit the other three's throats out but they kept coming so I did a 360 degree spinning wheel heel kick and broke all their jaws with one sweeping motion. One of them managed to get behind me and broke my arm and my neck but I was sooooo mad that I didn't even feel it so I poked out his eyes and fucked the sockets. Then I poured my beer all over them and went home and got a good night's sleep. I guess I need to work on my biting technique too, would have been easier.

DAMNMAN 10-18-2008 02:45 PM

:helpme
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Originally Posted by Sands (Post 14918830)
Quite frankly, it doesn't matter what martial art you practice... BJJ, Krav Maga, Muy Thai, and etc, because I can shoot laser beams from my finger tips. There's no beating that. Not even with guns.

Reminder: UFC 89 is on tonight, and it's free on Spike TV at that.

Thanks for reminding me about the fight.... >;-))

I never said I was a bad ass by any means and I can only put forth that there are no absoltues. This topic has gotten quite serious and is not going to get any better from here I'm afraid.

So BJJ is fantastic and noone disagrees with that. Some think all other martial arts are shit, I disagree. Since Master Carlos Gracie Jr will always be able to kick my ass SHOULD I STOP TRAINING? Because his JiuJitsu is better than my JiuJitsu?:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpm e

Sands 10-18-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14918838)
yeah, maybe. I got into a fight with 6 Hells Angels the other night because their women all wanted me, and I took 3 of them out with a psychic mind blast before the red haze dropped and I bit the other three's throats out but they kept coming so I did a 360 degree spinning wheel heel kick and broke all their jaws with one sweeping motion. One of them managed to get behind me and broke my arm and my neck but I was sooooo mad that I didn't even feel it so I poked out his eyes and fucked the sockets. Then I poured my beer all over them and went home and got a good night's sleep. I guess I need to work on my biting technique too, would have been easier.

Only 6? Lightweight. :winkwink:

TheDoc 10-18-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14918785)
Nigga please. It's a wonder ANYONE is still walking around alive with you on the streets. I'll bet you $1,000.00 that any human being not overdosing on crack stops fighting and starts screaming when he gets his arm broke. The Incredible Hulk is a comic book.

A point in my life, yes.. very much so. I had a lot of problems and those problems built up and put in a hospital for a good while. It took about 7 years for me to actually say, I'm calm now.

But I can't watch some TV, it's not rage, I can't control how much adrenaline my body puts out, and it blacks me out.. then I just forget about you me or anything, other than my own fears.

Ryan St. Germain 10-18-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14918768)
yeah that's the only vid that any KF guy can bring up, but the fact is the guy was fighting a totally unschooled guy 20 lbs smaller than him, and also as soon as the fight started he was swinging wildly and showing about as much technique as your average 8 yr old on any schoolground.

Again, I'll say that if you think styles don't matter, you're not paying attention.

I was trying to bring a little humor to the situation. I even stated as much in my commentary when posting the link.

You didn't even respond to me, you responded to someone else that responded to me, so it's not a matter of "paying attention" and needs no reiteration. Just adress me if you are responding to me.

I'm not a "kung fu guy", so arguing that point with me is like arguing which of us is has a better tan (see the pasty picture to the left).

You missed my point entirely. By your argument, any fat 500lb slob of a webmaster who studies your style of fighting can beat someone in top form with the same amount of TKD training.

DWB 10-18-2008 03:48 PM

Wow guys, some great info here. THANK YOU!!!!

BJJ stands for Brazilian Ju Jitsu?

TheDoc 10-18-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14918756)
Adrenald Dump is the same for everyone. Fine motor skills go away, tunnel vision, sounds become mute.

Everyone thinks I have to grab someone to fight, I train MMA, that is all ranges. If it doesn't win in the ring, there's HUGE evidence it won't in the real world.

I know you've been shot, and survived, and in the service of our country, but that really doesn't make you superman. Those of us who do train and spar in an ALIVE martial art know that anyone, ANYONE can be beaten on any given day. No matter what you train in, how bad you think you are, etc etc.

I didn't say I was superman, I didn't say you would punch me and it would be a wall then I would punch you and knock you through a house. I have been beaten, other people have gotten the upper hand in fights, I have been almost beaten to death.

On the mat, I have won and lost, like everyone else. I don't think I get any stronger, or faster, or better at what I do. Its when I get backed into a corner, in a bad way, my mind just rips, pain is gone, fear, love, everything rational but survive is gone.

My adrenalin dump, is nothing like yours. I can set mine off just by "imagining me and you fighting" I have a personality disorder set off by adrenalin. Even roller coasters can do it, and have. My focus goes off the chart, my vision and hearing get focused, my muscle respond without thinking.

I can shoot a gun under pressure far better than I can on the range, as an example.

Some people when faced with real fear, like if you know you are going to die situation. Piss themselves, shit themselves, and even die of a heart attacks on the spot. Others run and hide. And some get overly focused, get extremely good at the task at hand, and create fantasy worlds in their heads to understand the situation.

I'm not the baddest person I know.. a guy name Shartzer is, never seen him say ouch to anything, lose a fight, and it did appear to most of us that he was super man.

dig420 10-18-2008 05:37 PM

yeah I have the same thing, you wouldn't like me when I'm mad.

I HULK OUT MAN!!!!! YOU BETTER NOT FUCK WITH ME MAN!!!!! I'M PSYCHO MAN!!!!!

TheDoc 10-18-2008 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14919334)
yeah I have the same thing, you wouldn't like me when I'm mad.

I HULK OUT MAN!!!!! YOU BETTER NOT FUCK WITH ME MAN!!!!! I'M PSYCHO MAN!!!!!

Wow, you clearly have no idea. My problem is the lack of being mad, the lack of anger, the lack of all emotions or rational thought, my mind just stops processing logical information.

Instead of freezing up, like most people, I get very focused, very daring, no understanding that it's dangerous, just a fake story in my head telling me that this is so bad that I will die.

Several years after the Marines, I couldn't work. I couldn't hold a job down, I would invent fake social issues in my head, and act on them. It's why I went into porn, to work for myself.

I am me, and I am unique. I'm aggressive on here, naturally. And in real life, I'm even more aggressive, if you can get me to open up. It's not an anger thing at all. Just my mind telling me that whatever I'm doing now is the most important thing/subject/idea/talk ever to happen...... I have been working on the problem for a long time now..

Doctor Dre 10-18-2008 06:24 PM

Krav Maga and BJJ. BJJ is good to learn the basic chokes. Lots of stuff you can do standing

Grapesoda 10-18-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 14918272)
exactly


remember the saying "id rather have 12 people judge me than 6 people carry me"

that's my theory too $.02

halfpint 10-18-2008 06:35 PM

Just plain old street fighting. If you can get somebody that actually does street fighting and is good at it and you can keep yourself very fit its one sure way of at least having a good chance in a fight. I have a friend that used to do it over here and I have seen him put guys on thier asses at some of the bike rallys. Mind you he was a mad fucker anyway. I was always very nice to him for some reason :winkwink:

PornNewz 10-18-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14918838)
yeah, maybe. I got into a fight with 6 Hells Angels the other night because their women all wanted me, and I took 3 of them out with a psychic mind blast before the red haze dropped and I bit the other three's throats out but they kept coming so I did a 360 degree spinning wheel heel kick and broke all their jaws with one sweeping motion. One of them managed to get behind me and broke my arm and my neck but I was sooooo mad that I didn't even feel it so I poked out his eyes and fucked the sockets. Then I poured my beer all over them and went home and got a good night's sleep. I guess I need to work on my biting technique too, would have been easier.

Dood, you're about as athletic as StuartD

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Anthony 10-18-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 14918829)
Apparently I'm preaching to the choir, 'cause this is all I have been trying to say.

I was in a hurry when I posted that, there were ISKA fights down here at Punch Fitness I had to go too. Funny enough, your Mestre will start teaching BJJ down there. ATT fighter won the belt, made it all worthwhile sitting through 12 fights.

Anyways, I forgot to post that on any given day anyone can win, the only factor is your training.

If you train in a shitty no contact, no sparring martial art, you have ZERO idea if it will work in the real world. Train in Alive manner with fully resisting opponents.

Kung Fu doesn't, with the exception of San Shou or San Da
Aikido sure as fuck doesn't. I lost 2 years to that shit, and it's useless.
Most Karate doesn't except for Kyokushinkai, which is hardcore shit
Tae Kwon Do
Krav Maga
Hagganah
Any silat
All rubbish. Forms will not win you fights. Theory and stories of how some ancient master beat 30 men with swords doesn't equate to the real world.

Boxing, wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, Muay Thai, anything that trains in an ALIVE manner, with fully resisting opponents, that's what will seperate you from the pack.

Anthony 10-18-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919242)
I didn't say I was superman, I didn't say you would punch me and it would be a wall then I would punch you and knock you through a house. I have been beaten, other people have gotten the upper hand in fights, I have been almost beaten to death.

On the mat, I have won and lost, like everyone else. I don't think I get any stronger, or faster, or better at what I do. Its when I get backed into a corner, in a bad way, my mind just rips, pain is gone, fear, love, everything rational but survive is gone.

My adrenalin dump, is nothing like yours. I can set mine off just by "imagining me and you fighting" I have a personality disorder set off by adrenalin. Even roller coasters can do it, and have. My focus goes off the chart, my vision and hearing get focused, my muscle respond without thinking.

I can shoot a gun under pressure far better than I can on the range, as an example.

Some people when faced with real fear, like if you know you are going to die situation. Piss themselves, shit themselves, and even die of a heart attacks on the spot. Others run and hide. And some get overly focused, get extremely good at the task at hand, and create fantasy worlds in their heads to understand the situation.

I'm not the baddest person I know.. a guy name Shartzer is, never seen him say ouch to anything, lose a fight, and it did appear to most of us that he was super man.

How can you say your adrenal dump is nothing like mine, yet expect me to believe yours is different? Really?

It's called Fight or Flight, everyone has it, you aren't special.

I wish I was special, but life has proven to me that I am not a snowflake unique in my own way.

Gman.357 10-18-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14918727)
I have been trained, since I was 8 in a mixture of styles and a bit more in some special areas. Adrenaline to me, isn't the same as it is to you. It's a drug to me... I don't know what pain is. I can dislocate my shoulders, arms, fingers, feet.. I have reset my own bones in fights.

Chances of me getting into a real fight with you are slim, you would have to grab me first and either I think the threat is real or take a shot hard enough to set the rage in. I have to black out or I will just laugh at you.

It's not something that is a wonder for me, it has been tested over and over. Your live fights are on mats. Mine live fights are with people that have guns, knives, and are trained.. and they have the same choice as me, fight or die.

I'm still here.....

:1orglaugh:helpme

TheDoc 10-18-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14919827)
How can you say your adrenal dump is nothing like mine, yet expect me to believe yours is different? Really?

It's called Fight or Flight, everyone has it, you aren't special.

I wish I was special, but life has proven to me that I am not a snowflake unique in my own way.

I can tell you what is different.. Normal for you, is no adrenaline, and when you have it you have learned to control it.

Normal for me, or once was, was almost max adrenaline all the time, so that was normal, it was under control in my mind as I didn't know it wasn't normal. A "fix" for me, was to do extreme sports, or just extremely stupid shit. It would bring me back up to the peak, making me feel calm, like I just got a fix from a drug.

I'm very different than you, you have the luxury of being able to be social, do what you want in public, fight, train... I can't do that anymore, I don't respond the same way. Days afterwards my mind is just twisted for the rush of the drug, I'm fine to train, just not fine to be social afterwards, I can't come down from the high like you..

marketsmart 10-18-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919852)
I can tell you what is different.. Normal for you, is no adrenaline, and when you have it you have learned to control it.

Normal for me, or once was, was almost max adrenaline all the time, so that was normal, it was under control in my mind as I didn't know it wasn't normal. A "fix" for me, was to do extreme sports, or just extremely stupid shit. It would bring me back up to the peak, making me feel calm, like I just got a fix from a drug.

I'm very different than you, you have the luxury of being able to be social, do what you want in public, fight, train... I can't do that anymore, I don't respond the same way. Days afterwards my mind is just twisted for the rush of the drug, I'm fine to train, just not fine to be social afterwards, I can't come down from the high like you..

i am going to be respectful because some good friends of mine are contractors for blackwater and triple canopy.. they are exactly what you are describing, but they are fucked up.. they are not normal or the same people anymore and frankly I dont feel comfortable around them without a loaded weapon..

if you truly feel the way you say, then you need some serious mental help and I dont mean that in a derogatory way..

i will never try to understand what people see and feel in a combat situation, but i can clearly see the mental damage combat does...

do yourself and the world a favor and go seek some help,,, what you are feeling inside is not normal and will need to be vented at some point...


and BTW, the guy who claims to bite throats out is full of shit and delusional...

xxxdesign-net 10-18-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919242)
I'm not the baddest person I know.. a guy name Shartzer is, never seen him say ouch to anything, lose a fight, and it did appear to most of us that he was super man.

Shartzer vs Fedor

That promises to be a nail bitter!!

TheDoc 10-18-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14919864)
i am going to be respectful because some good friends of mine are contractors for blackwater and triple canopy.. they are exactly what you are describing, but they are fucked up.. they are not normal or the same people anymore and frankly I dont feel comfortable around them without a loaded weapon..

if you truly feel the way you say, then you need some serious mental help and I dont mean that in a derogatory way..

i will never try to understand what people see and feel in a combat situation, but i can clearly see the mental damage combat does...

do yourself and the world a favor and go seek some help,,, what you are feeling inside is not normal and will need to be vented at some point...


and BTW, the guy who claims to bite throats out is full of shit and delusional...

No fears.. I'm not who I once was, even though it is still within me. It's something I was born with, that wasn't understood until I was in my mid 20's, but was set off while in the Marines.

I have been out 12 years, and calm the last 7... I was medically discharged, for mental issues, I have spent time in the ward. I get no VA benefits because I went to work for myself rather than on drugs that made my brain go mush, that was the 'help' they wanted to give me.

I'm good today, I just try to avoid situations that bother me, not for safety but just because it sucks for me. Like, I don't like to get surprised by events unknown, like someone showing up without calling can set off my adrenaline. Not in a bad way, it just sucks trying to calm down for the next day over nothing.

marketsmart 10-18-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919887)
No fears.. I'm not who I once was, even though it is still within me. It's something I was born with, that wasn't understood until I was in my mid 20's, but was set off while in the Marines.

I have been out 12 years, and calm the last 7... I was medically discharged, for mental issues, I have spent time in the ward. I get no VA benefits because I went to work for myself rather than on drugs that made my brain go mush, that was the 'help' they wanted to give me.

I'm good today, I just try to avoid situations that bother me, not for safety but just because it sucks for me. Like, I don't like to get surprised by events unknown, like someone showing up without calling can set off my adrenaline. Not in a bad way, it just sucks trying to calm down for the next day over nothing.

if you can truly control yourself without drugs and can interact with society without feeling the need to commit violence, I would really like you to talk to one of my friends when he gets home in a month or two..

he sounds alot like you except for he cant let go of the rage unless he does drugs...

maybe you could help him... its very said to see a good friend in a position in life where his friends dont want to be around him anymore because of his mental state...

Anthony 10-18-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14919909)
if you can truly control yourself without drugs and can interact with society without feeling the need to commit violence, I would really like you to talk to one of my friends when he gets home in a month or two..

he sounds alot like you except for he cant let go of the rage unless he does drugs...

maybe you could help him... its very said to see a good friend in a position in life where his friends dont want to be around him anymore because of his mental state...

My ex wife is going through something similliar right now, her fiancee suffers from PTSD after his last stint in Afghanistan as a Corpsman. The anger, rage, and depression is pretty intense. I saw it firsthand last Christmas when he went after his brother. He was medicated with the shit from the VA, and then self medicating with Alcohol.

My ex told me they split up for good a couple of days ago, over it all.

xxxdesign-net 10-18-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919887)
No fears.. I'm not who I once was, even though it is still within me. It's something I was born with, that wasn't understood until I was in my mid 20's, but was set off while in the Marines.

set off? how do you know it wasnt greatly implified while in the marines and not just set off? The % of soldiers developing mental problems while serving in the army is off the hook...

TheDoc 10-18-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14919909)
if you can truly control yourself without drugs and can interact with society without feeling the need to commit violence, I would really like you to talk to one of my friends when he gets home in a month or two..

he sounds alot like you except for he cant let go of the rage unless he does drugs...

maybe you could help him... its very said to see a good friend in a position in life where his friends dont want to be around him anymore because of his mental state...

It's different for everyone, what they did, what they saw, what evils they take back with them, at a deep personal level.

What worked for me, may not work for others. A big factor for me was something simple. The question of WHY. Why was I mad, anger, upset, whatever. I would answer with excuses at first, to justify it to myself.. after awhile, I couldn't answer my own question.

Once I was able to do this, I was able to be helped by others. I would allow the help, listen to others, and so on. The only thing I can say that brought me to where I am today is my business partner and my wife. Without them, I would still be lost.

With your friend, you can ask him why :) and you can wait.. and once he finally breaks, then you step in as a friend, get his family, and everyone rebuilds him - reteaches him, love.

marketsmart 10-18-2008 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14919913)
My ex wife is going through something similliar right now, her fiancee suffers from PTSD after his last stint in Afghanistan as a Corpsman. The anger, rage, and depression is pretty intense. I saw it firsthand last Christmas when he went after his brother. He was medicated with the shit from the VA, and then self medicating with Alcohol.

My ex told me they split up for good a couple of days ago, over it all.

yeah.. its pretty hard for me to understand.. this guy was a good friend but he's just different now.. i try to be reassuring to him, but he's like a ticking time bomb.

its seems like the only comfort he has now is when he is in iraq or afghanistan.

when he comes home, he cant sit still for very long and he needs to self medicate, but even then he's unpredictable and has wild mood swings.

i can't say a lot here because i'm sure the stuff he showed me isnt stuff i should see, but it makes me wonder how many people are just as messed up as he is...

his situation has really opened my eyes to the damage that people suffer when they are subjected to combat situations..

marketsmart 10-18-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14919933)
It's different for everyone, what they did, what they saw, what evils they take back with them, at a deep personal level.

What worked for me, may not work for others. A big factor for me was something simple. The question of WHY. Why was I mad, anger, upset, whatever. I would answer with excuses at first, to justify it to myself.. after awhile, I couldn't answer my own question.

Once I was able to do this, I was able to be helped by others. I would allow the help, listen to others, and so on. The only thing I can say that brought me to where I am today is my business partner and my wife. Without them, I would still be lost.

With your friend, you can ask him why :) and you can wait.. and once he finally breaks, then you step in as a friend, get his family, and everyone rebuilds him - reteaches him, love.

he's not there yet in terms of self awareness and trying to talk to him about it just puts him in a defensive and withdrawn position.

i'm the last person to abandon a friend when in need, but its really difficult to watch someone go through the pain he has and feel so helpless not knowing how to help him..

BigBen 10-19-2008 12:44 AM

Learn how to hadouken, yoga flame, and sonic boom, and you'll be good to go.

DAMNMAN 10-19-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14919827)
How can you say your adrenal dump is nothing like mine, yet expect me to believe yours is different? Really?

It's called Fight or Flight, everyone has it, you aren't special.

I wish I was special, but life has proven to me that I am not a snowflake unique in my own way.

I knew you were a snowflake!!!!!>;-))

DAMNMAN 10-19-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14919864)
i am going to be respectful because some good friends of mine are contractors for blackwater and triple canopy.. they are exactly what you are describing, but they are fucked up.. they are not normal or the same people anymore and frankly I dont feel comfortable around them without a loaded weapon..

if you truly feel the way you say, then you need some serious mental help and I dont mean that in a derogatory way..

i will never try to understand what people see and feel in a combat situation, but i can clearly see the mental damage combat does...

do yourself and the world a favor and go seek some help,,, what you are feeling inside is not normal and will need to be vented at some point...


and BTW, the guy who claims to bite throats out is full of shit and delusional...

I'd like to say one thing here in defense of something I apparently shoulda kept to myself, I got in a bad fight with a real big fucking guy (He hit me 'cause I bumped into him by accident in a club.)
I was loosing and getting hurt bad, the guy was huge an opportunity presented itself to me. My brain said hey seems like a good idea I guess. I bit the guy on the side of the neck and the fight stopped. Whats the problem getting your head around that. I didn't say I'm a cobat bite master of long tooth kung fu.

:helpme

JustDaveXxx 10-19-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 14920878)
I'd like to say one thing here in defense of something I apparently shoulda kept to myself, I got in a bad fight with a real big fucking guy (He hit me 'cause I bumped into him by accident in a club.)
I was loosing and getting hurt bad, the guy was huge an opportunity presented itself to me. My brain said hey seems like a good idea I guess. I bit the guy on the side of the neck and the fight stopped. Whats the problem getting your head around that. I didn't say I'm a cobat bite master of long tooth kung fu.

:helpme






Li love it!! Bite-Fu.. I want to learn that one..:thumbsup

mineistaken 02-14-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 14918376)
I clinch with the shit talker, pull him on top of me into a quick armlock and snap it for real and fast. his friends dont jump in because they see him on top. But then when he starts screaming and crying, nobody wants to be next.

Wouldn't they go for a kick in your head while you are underground holding one of them on top?

No disrespect, just curious and sorry for a bump :winkwink:

TheSquealer 02-14-2015 06:39 PM

I'd say the question depends on the urgency. If you (or someone) needs to learn quickly how defensive/offensive techniques that are immediately effective and that can be learned quickly.. there is no substitute for western boxing. Anyone can learn to punch, duck, slip etc and hit properly fairly quickly. Anything else takes a lot of time. If time is not an issue... there is nothing like Muay Thai for causing damage to another and you're right there. Its just a matter of having the time to be good. A capable person could be pretty decent if they trained 3-4 hrs a day, 5 days a week for 6 months. Depends on where you train and who with and whether or not they are covering ALL techniques or effective techniques.

pornmasta 02-14-2015 07:25 PM

I'm not a trained fighter, but for outdoors, i suggest you to learn how to run
big plus: it works against multiple opponents...
Of course: indoors it's shit

bronco67 02-14-2015 07:49 PM

I'm not a trained fighter, but I've watched Steven Segal movies. Kempo is mainly counter moves and would therefore be considered "defensive".

mineistaken 02-14-2015 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 14918713)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for one on one confrontation.

Muay Thai for more than one.

Brain power to avoid confrontation.


Here is the caveat for BJJ. You have to train BJJ at 3 to 4 times a week for about a year to be a bad ass amongst non-trained mortals.

Muay Thai fighters can be bad asses in a month or so.

Mua thai in a month? So take any bullied highschool kid, teach him for a month and now he is over the top and beating the ones who used to beat on him?

I mean what can you learn in a month? Basic moves?
There is a thread on one forum where muay thai guys discuss what issues they got on the streets. And they got plenty while most of them having much more than a month of training.

Not saying you are wrong, just saying it is contradicting statement to what I read elsewhere.

Relentless 02-14-2015 11:43 PM

I've never seen an unarmed street fight. Competitive fighters are the only people who fight unarmed. Every street fight I've ever witnessed quickly resulted in someone grabbing a bottle, pulling keys out of their pocket, having a weapon on them, or reaching for something before sucker punching someone.

If you want to win competitive fights you'll need to have at least some wrestling, and the more well rounded you are the better off you are (until you get to the pro level where people are simply genetically superior to 99.9999% of the population).

In the street, avoid a fight at all reasonable costs, and if you do have to fight be the one who weaponizes first.


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