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jesse_adultdatingdollars 10-30-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14975103)
What you're supposed to do is go to a CEO's office, steal her lunch and give it to the homeless guy.

Much better example.

wig 10-30-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14975787)
Remember, the wealthy are mobile. They can hop on a jet and relocate easily.

As wealthy people flee or find shelters to avoid Obama's greedy fingers in their wallets, his tax base may erode, and he may be forced to go even lower.

:helpme

It's not as easy as it sounds. If you are an American citizen, you pay taxes no matter where you relocate.

If you go as far as to renounce your citizenship and give up your US passport, and the IRS determines you did so solely to avoid paying taxes, they can continue to tax you for 10 years.

crockett 10-30-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14975787)
Remember, the wealthy are mobile. They can hop on a jet and relocate easily.

As wealthy people flee or find shelters to avoid Obama's greedy fingers in their wallets, his tax base may erode, and he may be forced to go even lower.

:helpme


Yes because a 4% tax hike will make them lose all their money.. Lets get real here...

pigman 10-30-2008 11:20 AM

The man on the street probably needed to money more so what a great thing to do.

cykoe6 10-30-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975073)
In a local restaurant my server had on an Obama ?08 pin, I laughed as he had given away his political preference. Since he supported Obama, I figured I would use Obama's plan on him to see if he really agrees with it or is just another lemming following the "Obama Herd".

So when the bill came I decided not to tip him and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept that he supported and proudly displayed on his button.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need; the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight mumbling bad things under his breath.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $15 and told him to thank the server inside as I?ve decided he could use the money more and that is the ideology the server supported and believed in. The homeless guy was extremely grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Think hard when you go to the polls to vote, people. Don't be a lemming and jump on the Obama bandwagon. Read about this guy and understand how it will affect your life and your business. :2 cents:

Nice post :thumbsup

dav3 10-30-2008 11:35 AM

Hello email copy/paste twit bag, stop regurgitating the Republitard talking points that are drilled into your echo-producing brain from Fox News. "Redistribution of Wealth" has been occurring longer than you've been alive. It's called "Taxes". It's called "Social Security". It's called "Welfare". Why do you wait until McCaint/Falin tell you about it to whine?

Vote "ZOMGZ VAGINA in 2008!" and stop the evil terrorists from taking over America! :1orglaugh

cykoe6 10-30-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 14976533)
Hello email copy/paste twit bag, stop regurgitating the Republitard talking points that are drilled into your echo-producing brain from Fox News. "Redistribution of Wealth" has been occurring longer than you've been alive. It's called "Taxes". It's called "Social Security". It's called "Welfare". Why do you wait until McCaint/Falin tell you about it to whine?

Vote "ZOMGZ VAGINA in 2008!" and stop the evil terrorists from taking over America! :1orglaugh

Why is the well known fact that the US government has been stealing and squandering huge amounts of money from its citizens since 1913 mean that they should steal and squander even more? That is not exactly a winning argument. Removing the economic incentives for success is a well worn course towards disaster that has failed everywhere it has been tried.

The tired old rhetoric about taxing the evil rich and helping the poor has already been tried and has consistently produced economic stagnation while low taxes and less government interference has consistently produced economic growth.

Government is the enemy of innovation and economic growth. The less government interference and taxation that there is the better off all elements of society will be. The answer to too much big government is not an even bigger government.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-30-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975073)
In a local restaurant my server had on an Obama ?08 pin, I laughed as he had given away his political preference. Since he supported Obama, I figured I would use Obama's plan on him to see if he really agrees with it or is just another lemming following the "Obama Herd".

So when the bill came I decided not to tip him and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept that he supported and proudly displayed on his button.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need; the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight mumbling bad things under his breath.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $15 and told him to thank the server inside as I?ve decided he could use the money more and that is the ideology the server supported and believed in. The homeless guy was extremely grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Think hard when you go to the polls to vote, people. Don't be a lemming and jump on the Obama bandwagon. Read about this guy and understand how it will affect your life and your business. :2 cents:

You are an idiot.

wig 10-30-2008 12:11 PM

Governments squandering money is not limited to the US.

And while more government is not the answer, no government or regulation is not the answer either. Should we just get rid of all anti trust laws, too?

The Federal Reserve surely is open to criticism, but unless you have a better alternative simply suggesting that its only result was the stealing of money is rather naive.

IllTestYourGirls 10-30-2008 12:15 PM

This is a better example.


http://th01.deviantart.com/fs13/300W...ricanflags.jpg

stickyfingerz 10-30-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 14975660)
Obama has changed it, now its $200,000 once he gets in maybe it will be $100,000?

Biden already dropped it to 150k or 100k forget which now during his last debacle of an appearance.

Btw for those that do not know.

If you are against Obama you are

A. a racist.
B. a neo con
C. Someone not to do biz with.

I am making my own list of people that say they will not do biz with someone over another's political opinions. its pathetic. :disgust

Ayla_SquareTurtle 10-30-2008 12:22 PM

What I got out of this story is that you better make sure not to get the same waiter again if you go back to that restaurant.

wig 10-30-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 14976870)
What I got out of this story is that you better make sure not to get the same waiter again if you go back to that restaurant.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

marketsmart 10-30-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14976839)
Biden already dropped it to 150k or 100k forget which now during his last debacle of an appearance.

Btw for those that do not know.

If you are against Obama you are

A. a racist.
B. a neo con
C. Someone not to do biz with.

I am making my own list of people that say they will not do biz with someone over another's political opinions. its pathetic. :disgust

if people only knew that you voted for Obama...

Doctor Dre 10-30-2008 12:28 PM

That's it, republicans are now officially retarded.

PornNewz 10-30-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14975787)
Remember, the wealthy are mobile. They can hop on a jet and relocate easily.

As wealthy people flee or find shelters to avoid Obama's greedy fingers in their wallets, his tax base may erode, and he may be forced to go even lower.

:helpme

jesus your posts just get dumber. (and I thought that would be impossible after some of your past ones.)

directfiesta 10-30-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975073)
In a local restaurant my server had on an Obama ?08 pin, I laughed as he had given away his political preference. Since he supported Obama, I figured I would use Obama's plan on him to see if he really agrees with it or is just another lemming following the "Obama Herd".

So when the bill came I decided not to tip him and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept that he supported and proudly displayed on his button.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need; the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight mumbling bad things under his breath.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $15 and told him to thank the server inside as I?ve decided he could use the money more and that is the ideology the server supported and believed in. The homeless guy was extremely grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Think hard when you go to the polls to vote, people. Don't be a lemming and jump on the Obama bandwagon. Read about this guy and understand how it will affect your life and your business. :2 cents:


sure ... you gave $ 15.00 ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

J. Falcon 10-30-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 14976870)
What I got out of this story is that you better make sure not to get the same waiter again if you go back to that restaurant.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

J. Falcon 10-30-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 14976911)
That's it, republicans are now officially retarded.

It's hard to argue against that point.

pocketkangaroo 10-30-2008 03:15 PM

Amazing how so many people have no knowledge in civics or economics. They both have progressive tax systems. McCain wants to give health insurance rebates to people. He wants to buy up shitty mortgages from poor people. They are both redistributing wealth, just as every President in our nation's history has.

If a 4% tax difference in the highest tax bracket makes one a socialist and the other a free market capitalist, your view of the country is a tad distorted.

tony286 10-30-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14978438)
Amazing how so many people have no knowledge in civics or economics. They both have progressive tax systems. McCain wants to give health insurance rebates to people. He wants to buy up shitty mortgages from poor people. They are both redistributing wealth, just as every President in our nation's history has.

If a 4% tax difference in the highest tax bracket makes one a socialist and the other a free market capitalist, your view of the country is a tad distorted.

Well said and what makes it really amazing is most of people complaining here arent even close to that bracket. Its like do you like voting against your own best interests?

pocketkangaroo 10-30-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975182)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Subprime loans lead to bad mortgages that lead to bad securities that lead to a big fat shit on Wall Street that had to be bailed out and just because Bush was in office during the time of the bailout it's automatically his fault?

Remember this, Community Reinvestment Act? That was the catalyst of this economic crisis but it's Bush's fault now because he had to bail it out. Fucking classic.

The Community Reinvestment Act accounts for only a few percent of the bad subprime loans in this country. The overwhelming majority of the bad subprime loans were made by investment banks and mortgage lenders who were not under the umbrella of CRA. Only 1 of the top 25 subprime lenders in this country are regulated under the CRA.

What you posted was a lie. It shows you have zero understanding of how the financial system works. Ask a broker one day how this works before you continue to make a fool of yourself on issues.

saucygirl 10-30-2008 03:27 PM

Spreading the Wealth
 
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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975073)
In a local restaurant my server had on an Obama ?08 pin, I laughed as he had given away his political preference. Since he supported Obama, I figured I would use Obama's plan on him to see if he really agrees with it or is just another lemming following the "Obama Herd".

So when the bill came I decided not to tip him and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept that he supported and proudly displayed on his button.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need; the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight mumbling bad things under his breath.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $15 and told him to thank the server inside as I?ve decided he could use the money more and that is the ideology the server supported and believed in. The homeless guy was extremely grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Think hard when you go to the polls to vote, people. Don't be a lemming and jump on the Obama bandwagon. Read about this guy and understand how it will affect your life and your business. :2 cents:

While I respectfully disagree with you since it is your right to have an opposing position on Obama and his potential voters I don't think it is fair for you to place all of Obama's supporters into clueless lemmings. I did my research on both candidates and as an independent voter made up my mind to vote for the candidate with the best judgment and vision. McCain's choice of Palin was a reckless political move that has positioned this woman entirely too close to the presidency. That in and of itself was very bad judgment and in no way puts "country first" but more "campaign first". Not to mention his prior record of voting against minorities and women's issues was abysmally poor to say the least. I used factcheck.org to find the candidate that came closest to addressing issues and facts rather than mudslinging which McCain is infamous for.

As far as "spreading the wealth" is concerned you need to see the entire you tube video of Obama's conversation with Joe the Plumber to understand his take on how the middle class need a tax break. It's an easy concept to understand so allow me to break it down for you...When people (middle class) have more income then they will spend more on goods and/or services thus STIMULATING the economy. So lets say Joe the Plumber has saved an additional $2000 dollars in taxes then he is likely to spend it on a down payment for a new car. Then GM makes some $$$. :) See? that was easy!

Also, I have some server friends and I suggest you DO NOT go back to that restaurant unless you want to eat food that has been tainted in some disgusting way. :)

saucygirl 10-30-2008 03:29 PM

There's also the little savings and loan scandal called....the Keating 5! Which would have been the Keating 4 without Mr. McCain's involvement.

pocketkangaroo 10-30-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by saucygirl (Post 14978586)
Also, I have some server friends and I suggest you DO NOT go back to that restaurant unless you want to eat food that has been tainted in some disgusting way. :)

He didn't write that. He just copy and pasted it from another site. Don't expect many independent thoughts to come from partisans.

saucygirl 10-30-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 14976870)
What I got out of this story is that you better make sure not to get the same waiter again if you go back to that restaurant.

Waiters talk and I'm sure he's told his cronies to make sure his next visit will be awful. It's nasty what some pissed off servers will do.

woj 10-30-2008 03:59 PM

Redistribution of wealth is great, as long as it's not your money getting redistributed. The $250k income level is pretty arbitrary, if the cut off income was chosen to be $25k instead, most people wouldn't be so thrilled about the whole "wealth redistribution" plan :2 cents:

IllTestYourGirls 10-30-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 14978987)
Redistribution of wealth is great, as long as it's not your money getting redistributed. The $250k income level is pretty arbitrary, if the cut off income was chosen to be $25k instead, most people wouldn't be so thrilled about the whole "wealth redistribution" plan :2 cents:

Bingo. Im under the $250k line and I can not see the moral justification of allowing the government to take those peoples money by gun point and handing it over to me. I am sure if I really was hard up I could find something to sell for the $500 I would get under obamas plan.

And YES McCain and Obama are the same as many people pointed out. So why are you voting for either? :helpme

Agent 488 10-30-2008 04:12 PM

looks like you had no problem redistributing that story from the original owner:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&cl...Searc h&meta=

BobG 10-30-2008 04:22 PM

yeah, the Obama supporters are such fucking sheep. They just can't understand that "redistribution" of wealth is only ok when it goes to the wealthy and they can't see how well that has worked for the past 8 years. God, what a bunch of dumb asses. Why can't the middle class understand that a tax cut will not help them, only tax cuts for the wealthy will make things better for them.
To use your analogy, under McCains plan, you would have given that $15 to the owner of the restaurant or even the owner of the strip mall it was in.

_Richard_ 10-30-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975114)
You mean the bail out because of the fucked up position the Democraps put us in with the bullshit Bill Clinton implemented before leaving office and the Freddie Mack kick backs Osama was receiving by pushing through sub prime loans?

The Democraps will ruin the U.S.

from what i figured out in 5 minutes of reading, everyone is responsible for your sub-prime mortgage bs

woj 10-30-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 14979279)
To use your analogy, under McCains plan, you would have given that $15 to the owner of the restaurant or even the owner of the strip mall it was in.

But... what if the restaurant was in poor financial shape, there were rumors that it might close down any day now, and it happened to be your favorite restaurant, one you eat out at almost every day? You really don't want that restaurant to shut down, and so you have 3 choices of who to give the money to:
a. guy pen handling outside
b. waitress
c. restaurant owner

Which of these 3 choices will help to achieve your goal of making sure the restaurant doesn't shut down?

Matt 26z 10-30-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint (Post 14975073)
the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved the money more.

...

Think hard when you go to the polls to vote, people. Don't be a lemming and jump on the Obama bandwagon. Read about this guy and understand how it will affect your life and your business.

The problem for McCain is that 95% of America (not a made up statistic) is the bum in your example.

Matt 26z 10-30-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 14979466)
But... what if the restaurant was in poor financial shape, there were rumors that it might close down any day now, and it happened to be your favorite restaurant, one you eat out at almost every day? You really don't want that restaurant to shut down, and so you have 3 choices of who to give the money to:
a. guy pen handling outside
b. waitress
c. restaurant owner

Which of these 3 choices will help to achieve your goal of making sure the restaurant doesn't shut down?

In the sorry state of the restaurant, is the owner profiting above or below $250,000 a year?

What is the income level of the average customer? Which tax plan gives them more money to spend at the restaurant? Including tips, which help keep employees from barking at the owner for a raise.

stickyfingerz 10-30-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14979539)
The problem for McCain is that 95% of America (not a made up statistic) is the bum in your example.

95% IS a made up number.

BobG 10-30-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 14979466)
But... what if the restaurant was in poor financial shape, there were rumors that it might close down any day now, and it happened to be your favorite restaurant, one you eat out at almost every day? You really don't want that restaurant to shut down, and so you have 3 choices of who to give the money to:
a. guy pen handling outside
b. waitress
c. restaurant owner

Which of these 3 choices will help to achieve your goal of making sure the restaurant doesn't shut down?

Might not be in such bad shape if 95% of the people had a bit more money to spend on eating out here and there. We've tried the other way for the past few years and it doesn't seem to be working. Let's try something else.

woj 10-30-2008 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 14979936)
Might not be in such bad shape if 95% of the people had a bit more money to spend on eating out here and there. We've tried the other way for the past few years and it doesn't seem to be working. Let's try something else.

You might be right, but one must consider the consequences of the "restaurant" (economy) shutting down... if "restaurant" shuts down then all 3 people involved are screwed, panhandler would need to find a new place to panhandle at, waitress is out of a job, and restaurant owner is out of income too. All 3 are then in pretty hopeless situation, especially considering "restaurants" in other cities (countries) are in similar or even worse financial position...

tony286 10-30-2008 06:43 PM

The bush tax cuts made the rich richer but wages dropped. Sorry tickle down doesn't work.Sara palin taking money from oil companies giving to the citizens of alaska isnt redistributing wealth?

pocketkangaroo 10-30-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14980073)
The bush tax cuts made the rich richer but wages dropped. Sorry tickle down doesn't work.Sara palin taking money from oil companies giving to the citizens of alaska isnt redistributing wealth?

Only counts if Democrats do it.

germ 10-30-2008 08:20 PM

Try thinking for yourself and doing some research. You really shouldnt base your vote on chain letters and myspace bulletins, which that obviously is.


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