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LiveDose 11-06-2008 11:34 PM

Taxes going up for everyone. Just watch.

robfantasy 11-06-2008 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 15018070)

didnt know there were that many rich gays, celebs and ultra rich answering exit polls =)

WinstonTriplexcash 11-07-2008 12:12 AM

just the title made me laugh

LisaWP 11-07-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15018018)
While I agree with what you posted in principle, I don't understand how so many Americans think your country can spend billions per day to the tune of trilions in debt and not ever have to pay for it (as in raise taxes). Put another way, how can anyone in their right mind expect no adjustments in taxes under present government spending?

I mean, something's got to give somewhere.... doesn't it?

Yes, the upcoming massive deficit is going to a huge burden. But, the proven way to increase tax revenue is by tax cuts. By cutting taxes, people have more of their own money and spend it. Corporate taxes should be eliminated because they only pass taxes onto consumers anyways. If Corporate taxes were lowered or eliminated, businesses from all over the world would re-locate to America....creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Increasing the tax burden on anyone decreases incentive to work harder. If you knew that 80% of what you earn was going to be taken, would you even bother to work?

It cracks me up when the uber rich say "we don't mind paying more taxes"....
well... then..... DO IT. No one is stopping Warren Buffet from writing a check for 50 billion to the US Treasury.

CDSmith 11-07-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 15020967)
Yes, the upcoming massive deficit is going to a huge burden. But, the proven way to increase tax revenue is by tax cuts. By cutting taxes, people have more of their own money and spend it. Corporate taxes should be eliminated because they only pass taxes onto consumers anyways. If Corporate taxes were lowered or eliminated, businesses from all over the world would re-locate to America....creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Increasing the tax burden on anyone decreases incentive to work harder. If you knew that 80% of what you earn was going to be taken, would you even bother to work?

It cracks me up when the uber rich say "we don't mind paying more taxes"....
well... then..... DO IT. No one is stopping Warren Buffet from writing a check for 50 billion to the US Treasury.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush try that? The tax cuts he gave out haven't really worked out in the rosey way you're presenting it have they?

Answer: more tax cuts? Deeper tax cuts?

More and deeper tax cuts? :D


Again, someone is going to have to pay for that massive debt the US Gov't has racked up. I still get the feeling some of you don't quite get that though. I'll suggest everyone just wait a few months or a year and see what your new prez actually does and what effect it has. There's either going to actually be a reason to bitch or a reason to cheer.

I like to try and think positive.

bhutocracy 11-07-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15020998)
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush try that? The tax cuts he gave out haven't really worked out in the rosey way you're presenting it have they?

Answer: more tax cuts? Deeper tax cuts?

More and deeper tax cuts? :D

It's what happens when you try and simplify a complex situation into an a flawed analagy that suits your argument. Even in the simplified version "tax" isn't ten people going out to dinner and sharing the bill. For a starters its the one richest guy with nine plates of food in front of him on the table and everyone else with breadrolls (although one or two have gravy to go with it) except the bottom four who have to lick the rich guy's plate afterwards for scraps.

At this point in the economic cycle it's important for the middle and lower class to have tax cuts. Those on a lower income spend a much higher proportion of it on goods and services. Someone on 30k/yr isn't going to put a $50 a week tax cut on the stock market, it's going to go on food, gas, clothes, rent etc. Give someone on 500k/yr a $1000 a week tax cut and they're putting it on long term positions on battered down shares which isn't going to help as much as direct consumer spending.
It's a grey area and a different mix for different situations and to a certain extent there is a relevancy with regards to what competing nations are doing. There are lots of bad taxes and tax situations but a progressive tax system isn't one of them. You've just got to tinker with the scales to suit the situation. The gap between the rich and the poor is the widest it's been since the depression. It's time to fatten the goose again before the next round of foie gras.


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