nice trolling attempt :thumbsup :thumbsup

don't come to gfy for sophisticated theological and philosophical debates.

This is one of your better threads.

I don't see the significance, benefit or utility of calling nature or everything god... Ayahuasca or not. I've experienced the interconnectedness of all things with a mind full of psilocybin but I wouldn't call that god. God is the awe of the unknown... The awe of not being able to comprehend the largeness of the universe... or a tree.. or a single cell. I don't think of that as God or Gaia any more than I think of a the line of script in Comus that keeps the good thumbs near the top a God. It's just part of a complex system. I don't see god-as-everything as any different from having a tree god and a rock god and a rain god that you sacrifice a goat to so that your crop can grow. It depends on how you define it of course. Some people just call the system Gaia.. The same way you call a terminal of the interconnectedness of air travel an airport. Others feel there is some component of worship involved.

i am not christian

i do not believe in the bible, i believe the romans crafted the bible in a certain way to maintain power over people. thus losing its original message.

i do not even understand what you are trying to point out, it is like you read the thread title and skipped the entire content of it.

I was agreeing with what you said and added my 2 cents to it...
I've found that a lot of people who run around calling themselves atheists are just as sheep-ish as the Christians they love to argue with...even worse are the so-called satanists...they think by doing everything the exact opposite of Christians, they are being rebels and fail to realize Satan is a christian creation...

When did infinity start and what was before it? Had to start sometime.

You can't see air and you know it exists.
How about history, you know that George Washington existed, but you never seen it in your entire life.
You can't see the atom but you know it exists.

So believeing in something fake is better than not accepting reality? Gotcha.

Earth has become illegall tube site

I don't have proof Santa doesn't exist. You can't really prove a negative. I am 100% certain that Santa is not real and you are 100% certain too, but with God if you don't have proof then you somehow are required to leave open the possibility. Um..no.

100% agreed with you.

thanks CD :thumbsup

great post give me a sec to break it down and make sure i am following what you are saying before i break it down.

there is no start to infinity, it just always existed, i know that sounds insane but that is just it. it did not have to start at anytime it always existed.

look into string theory a little bit, basically part of the theory is that there is multiple dimensions where there could indeed be another one of "you", so does that mean that the other "you" in the other dimension is the past or future of your current self?

so what do you believe the "god" that you dont believe exists is? :upsidedow

squeegee that third eye, wipe away some of the bitterness that the priest classes have burned into you and you might get a taste ......

Amen to that, I'm a living God...

ANYONE, theist or atheist, who is 100% sure
that their belief is the only valid belief is a fanatic.

I'm 100% sure if I jump off a 100 foot cliff I will fall. So I guess I'm a gravity fanatic.

Life is too short?

It's the longest fucking thing you'll ever do, shit for brains.

Fuck God.

Firstly, trusting in science or believing in a god are not mutually exclusive and the fact that you are proceeding from the assumption of this false dichotomy sets apocryphal limitations on the construction of your argument.

Secondly, just because a system, i.e. the universe seems too complex for you to comprehend does not mean that is can not be understood and therefore must be relegated to the realm of the supernatural. Science has been slowly and steadily chipping away at this supposedly "irreducibly complex" area of knowledge for a few thousand years now and is ever accelerating.

In fact, there are several plausible theories as to how the universe arose, but to full appreciate them you need to have a decent understanding of several complicated concepts including string theory, particle physics, cosmology and possess a high degree of mathematical skill.

Remember that the mammalian brain (ours) has evolved to both recognize patterns (even when there are none) and quickly categorize our environment. Spirituality and religiosity also evolved to help us fill in the gaps of our knowledge so that the world did not seem so disorderly.... and this "god of the gaps" has existed to this day. We used to think that the sun was carried across the sky by a god in a chariot. Why? Because we needed an explanation and had none based in reality.

Now we have similar, if more complicated, gaps; such as "Where did the universe come from?" But just because we do not have answers to these questions now doesn't mean we will never have them.

But enough about the universe, what about this god that you speak of?

God is defined in many different ways by different people.

Is your god an conscious entity?

Is it natural (created as part of the universe) or supernatural?

If it is supernatural, where did it come from? Where does it reside? What created your god?

You can never really have an "ultimate mover" as something will have had created that as well.

We could really get into this with pages and pages and books and books of writing, but I don't have the time to write it and you probably don't want to read it.

As for your existentialist attitude, I agree, in the grand scheme of the universe we are completely meaningless. If this planet was completely destroyed the universe would carry on just fine without us. However, I'm a pragmatic existentialist so while I believe that our lives are ultimately meaningless to the universe we ARE here, and thus should do the best we can to ensure that the qualities and characteristics that transcend the individual continue to exist. It's our responsibility as humans to further humanity as much as possible during our incredibly short lives.

But only challenging the "god of the gaps" and other "easy and wrong" explanations for the universe around us can we hope to ever understand it.

Ok, I need to get back to work.... :2 cents: Oh and I probably should have proofread this, but whatever =p

Still waiting for your rebuttal, MetaMan. You were awfully quick to reply before... :2 cents:

This much I agree with.

In the grand scheme of things, we ain't shit. Buuuuut... I sure do like money and pussy. :thumbsup

i dont believe in anything, I dont label people, i dont care

i am alive now and that is what matters, when I die I will learn the rest, if there is any

Ayahuasca is amazing, I have been in 3 Ayahuasca circles and come out completely changed every time

DMT was much better as far as touching the other side, and Ayahuasca only works in the spirtitual sense if you ingest it with that spiritual longing that most DON'T have, even when they think they do

You can really drag it out if you're unhappy ( for whatever reason ) ...

Gravity is a theory, not a fact.

If someone tells me there's a pink elephant behind a cloud then it's not up to me to prove them wrong, it's up to them to prove it's true.

Also which God are you guys talking about anyway?

Who said you had to stand for something. Ever read lord of the flies ? See the movie ? ... doesn't end well. I guess If I had to stand for something it would be human rights :2 cents:

Wrong. Gravity is neither a theory nor a fact. It is a property of matter, and it's existence is considered factual due to the consistent ability to observe and replicate it's effects.

great, another know-it-all with the tired and lame "god is everything" crap

grow the fuck up

The discussion isn't as simple and as that.

You see, the issue with Atheists and denouncing a higher power, is that Atheists get their definitions of God from the Christians. This is where the 'magic man in the sky' stuff comes into the discussion. So forget the Christian idea of God and just look at the very basic definition of what 'God' is.

Let's not use the word 'God', and let's pretend that 'God' probably isn't so supernatural after all. Then interchange the idea 'God' with a sort of unified energy that holds the Universe together and makes things happen and also destroys those things. What if gravity, or electricity is the almighty energy that creates and destroys and holds the Universe together?

I don't know, you don't know - which is essentially definition of Agnosticism.

actually, if you really wanna get deep, gravity is just a word

Pro or Con everyone in this tread proves Marx right :)

and time is an illusion :evil-laug

I tend to subscribe to Plato's view of religion as part of 'The Noble Lie'.


"Plato argues that the Lie is necessary in order to keep a stable social structure.

In Plato’s mind, The Noble Lie is a religious lie that’s fed to the masses to keep them under control and happy with their situation in life. Plato did not believe most people were smart enough to look after their own and society’s best interest. The few smart people of the world needed to lead the rest of the flock, Plato said. And The Noble Lie had to continue.

The Noble Lie is knowingly told by an 'elite' to maintain social harmony, particularly the social position of that elite."

Which one of the many theories are you going by? Doesn't matter to this thread though, I was just responding to what someone else said.

I believe what Metaman is trying to say is that God did not create the garden, God is the garden.

I was referring to Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Though dated, and superseded by gravitation's explanation by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, it fit for my point. Sorry if I came off as rude. :)

Welcome to Gods Garden ...

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All you can add to the conversation is a recycled theist slogan? :1orglaugh