He disappeared.

heyo ill be back i appreciate your post i been partying a little bit, bookmark this thread and i will gaurantee you i will respond.

Hehe, enjoy yourself. I wouldn't want a reply wrought from less than %100 focus. :)

hahahahaha this guy is such a nut. he thinks ghosts, fairies, elves, etc are all real and the only reason we cant see or interact with them is because they are on a different frequency. to tune into that frequency he says, do as the shamans do and take hallucinogenics.

now lets see whats more probable. you took hallucinogenics and are able to see outside your dimensions of time and space and are communicating with something out of this world.. or you are just high as a kite and your brain is not funtioning properly.

this idiot needs a basic course in biology and one more in physics.

i love how his degree is in sociology too.

You are wrong, atheists don't get their definition of god from Christians. There were atheists long before Christianity was around. Also I question the point of redefining God out of significance. What if god is electricity? Electromagnetism is just one out of many forces. Would that make you a pantheist with an electromagnetism god, a gravity god, a weak nuclear god and a strong nuclear god? Pointing to a force and calling it god is exactly the same thought process as pre-historic man pointing to lightning and calling it god. At least the pre-historic man would have worshipped the thunder god and probably felt some sense of order and ease in his world that when he performed certain rituals the thunder god would be satisfied and His favour would appear to shine on him afterwards boosting his immune system with the feeling of control over his environment and helping to ensure he lives long enough to produce offspring.
What is the point of having an electricity god today? So that you may thank Him every time you turn your plasma TV on and pray to his greatness for bringing you Geraldo? Of course not, so it's entirely superfluous, an intellectually lazy game. Like a university student saying "What if.. god was like... heheheh... a bong? hehehehheh"
You've got to ask what the benefit in humans assigning a status to a part of physics is.. (Or a chemical process, or a complex system) How and why would it advance or augment our understanding of the universe to call electromagnetism or gravity god rather than plain old "vanilla" electricity or gravity. Only then can you decide if there is an "issue" with atheism as it relates to this particular god of the gaps. It's called atheism, not agravitism or aelectromagnetism. If what you call god doesn't have any actual godlike attributes then is it anything other than empty thought games?

Nope not rude, a debate is about intelligent responses and disagreements :thumbsup

the wonderful part of it ALL is that NONE of us know anything AT ALL as a fact, we just assume it is all accurate

you miss the point you stupid bastard, i am OPEN, i do not dare say one is right or the other, i do believe athiests are wrong. fuck i know all kinds of catholics, dated a muslim, would love to tap a nigga.

dont assume shit i believe or i will knock u the fuck out.

i am going to expierience something new, i am all about alternative thinking. not trying to say it is 100% real. open your mind.

i do not believe is ghosts fairies or elves. man open up your brain. i dare you to sit down with me you live close to me and i am around your age. ill help you nerds get chicks and we can have a real convo and you will change your opinion about me asap.

Atheism is not about alternative beliefs, but not believe in God. Just because you can't explain the pre-universe scientifically, does not make you an idiot. It makes you human :)

I believe there's SOMETHING... but it certainly isn't an invisible bearded man in the sky in white robes that writes down my "sins" in some big ass book that he then punishes me for after I die.

An aetheist's epitaph:

All dressed up
Nowhere to go

:321GFY

fakin imho the entire point in being human is to ask questions, find the purpose and ultimately to find the truth to those questions.

if we stop asking questions and stop trying to explain them we may as well degress and become apes.

on the other side of that coin....questions during your life don't have to centrally focus on god and spirituality

in fact, some more rational people might think that focusing so much time and energy on something we won't ever know is a wasted life/effort

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The way it was explained to me is that infinity never started, nor will it will ever end and the reason that most of us can't get our heads around that concept is simply because everything in our plane of existence has a beginning and an end.

That's everything including even (according to the big bang theory) the universe itself. Thing is, before this universe there was another one and before that universe there was yet another and before that one....well, you get the idea.

Well, in that context, science is the one seeking answers and evolvement. Religion however, is telling you the "truth" - it already defines your purpose and destination, and it forbids you to question.

:thumbsup Hahaha my favorite post yet!

Ok gotta post and scroll back up to read the rest.

I'm not trying to call anything a god of *. You are missing the point with that. What the goal is, is to possibly answer questions of what natural forces can do the work of God. By a modern basic definition, God is the creator of everything in the Universe. So the only godlike attribute we should discuss, is creation.

The creation of the Universe has quite a few different theories and it is all but impossible to know which one, if any, is correct. So, we have to look for patterns in observable creation and try to build from that.

Gravity creates stars in nebula clouds and planets from debris rings in the cosmos. Electricity sparks simple life in primordial soup experiments. Sure, gravity and electromagnetism are just natural forces, but they are creative forces that produce can life.

Then again, the whole Universe could be inside of some alien's SimUniverse game, and no we aren't going to call him the 'God of Nintendo'.

We can never be too sure about the biiiig picture. But we can try to whittle away at the unknown with repeating patterns in enviroments that are known.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." - Andre Gide

100 atheists ......

3 pages already

I have to admit you have great style with your music posts. I love reading a thread to a song I havent heard in a while. Keep it up.

i wasnt talking about you, i was talking about the nut in the video
i dont know you enough but judging from your manic reply id say you have one or two screws loose as well

I do not believe this.

Just because the universe is very complex does not mean there is a mythical white bearded man that created it. This isn't even logic. It's an assumption.

Sure. But it also means you invent your own religion this way. If every person did this, there could be 6 billion different versions that 'explain' our existence and our so called creator. Some people worship in a singular God, some people believe there are dozens of them. Some people think it's the Sun or it's a cow. Some people think there is this mysterious God that never shows himself to us, some people think he comes into our dreams, and even shows up on toast bread. Since they can't all be correct at the same time, it's all just a fantasy.

You absolutely are entitled to have your own fantasy, as much as the next guy.


Not true. Humans are the only intelligent creatures on Earth, out of millions of species. Our brains are very capable. We live in a time where technology and science is advancing faster than ever before. We have not even come close to reaching our limits. It could not have happened without the contributions of individual people. We do matter.

why did i click this thread....

You've just described an atheist position. And you didn't answer the question.
The question was "How and why would it advance or augment our understanding of the universe to call electromagnetism or gravity god rather than plain old "vanilla" electricity or gravity."
Finding out what "natural forces" created the universe is the raison d'être of the scientific method. You can do that without calling anything God or redefining Him. You just point at something, ask "Why" and apply the scientific method to try and find out. We found out that gravity creates stars and electricity can spark life without calling those forces "god". My bowels "create" shit but we didn't have to call our assholes god to find that out. Science, with it's heavy leaning on experimentation doesn't even require there to be a initial guiding question to generate a serendipitous discovery. We didn't have to call mercury a "god" to discover it helped create photographic images.

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I did not describe Atheism here.

The question is silly and lacking a '?', but the answer is 'it makes no difference'.

An Atheist wanting to inject god into everything. That's an unforeseen twist.

Do you believe ShizzyLadies.com is worth $150k?

wow, thanks man. I'm not the best "talker". :1orglaugh



im a youtube freak:uhoh

Being politically correct is for losers

Yes you did. "What the goal is, is to possibly answer questions of what natural forces can do the work of God." is about as atheistic statement as I can imagine only a couple of notches down the list after "I don't believe in a supernatural god or being".
So you did in the majority of your post that I obviously referred to, and even in the bit you've singled out thinking it's contrarian isn't against an atheistic stance. Atheism is lack of a belief in a god. A sufficiently advanced alien being with planet creation tools million of years technologically more advanced than us playing "real life Civ IV" is perfectly within the atheist worldview as long as they themselves weren't created by a supernatural god.

The question is designed to show the uselessness of your statements, ergo not silly, but efficient because you've just agreed with me. If it makes no difference than why spent 5 minutes babbling about electricity as a redefined god, an almighty force.



Er.. In opposites land, where "injecting" means trying to remove, then yes you are correct. In.. uh.. this reality, any knowledge of the english language will read my statements as trying to show why your statement "interchange the idea 'God' with a sort of unified energy that holds the Universe together and makes things happen and also destroys those things. What if gravity, or electricity is the almighty energy that creates and destroys and holds the Universe together?" is useless and at best superfluous.
Have you not been able to comprehend the several times I've asked what the point of doing that actually is? I'm using your definition of god. I'm quoting you. I don't mean a guy with a beard. I'm saying there isn't a difference between the thought process that makes a caveman point at lightning and call it a thunder god, and you pointing at electromagnetism and calling it an "almighty force" of "creation". I don't mean that you think it's a god. I SPECIFICALLY said that. That you wouldn't pray every time you turned on your tv. I said that it was an empty thought game and implied that it neither advances or augments our understanding of the universe.

Given it's only useful when the discussion is of a level where the participants understand each other, and given you aren't grasping these quite obvious arguments, even to rebut them, there isn't much point continuing with you.

man i apologize to the gfy faithful i have tooken a break from responding i have been away 2night, i shall look through tom.

i am to lazy to quote and find but to do with time and how infinite does make sense....

imagine re-incarntion on how when your die it is the next step to becomining fully divine, so maybe when you die it is the beginning and being born is the end,


i hope that tries to explain the infitite of time as best i can

LOL are you trying to prove my point?

It IS the longest thing we are in for and the biggest therefore using too much time discussion with morons on a fukcing messageboards qaulify as a waste of life, since I dont enjoy it as much as fooling around with my GF, wathcing movies and drinking bears.