The interesting thing people keep mentioning is that it can be cracked. For guys like me that is the least of my concerns. Reality is 99% of things can be cracked. My only concern is what the members think of DRM. At the end of the day they hate it.

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Fucking Amen, thank you.

I wish more people would understand this concept.
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all tube sites should be banned. youtube itself is fucking shit! full of crap, sad cunts visit the site all the time to watch videos of people talking shit on webcam, news they missed that they just have to see because they are sad idiots, watching girls doing stupid dances while they rub they're tiny penis eating buckets of KFC. the list goes on.

Any and ALL tube site discussions should have his requirement. It would eliminate the tube threads by 90%.
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I understand the concept. Not all concept apply to all business :winkwink:

Whether they should be banned or not isn't the issue. The issue is they are here and here to stay so you have to adapt to them.

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Well if this is going to spin out to the music industry maybe the content of what the big music industry is pushing is the problem.

The music industry at large is not meeting the demand and is ignoring what the audience wants. I think Itunes is merely a fad and a bandwagon for "popular" music. The music is not popular it is force fed.

If you bought a Metallica Album lately and think thats metal thats fine but there are a shit ton of way better metal bands these days and many of them are using independent means to reach thier audiences.

The music industry for years now has attempted to stem and bottle neck independent music and each year independent artists gain ground on the internet.

DRM wasnt the problem, Digital distribution wasnt the problem. Sure the Larger music labels cried about losing money on the internet to piracy and yeah they did lose to piracy but they also failed to meet the audiences appetite for the different genre's of music.

Just from my own music tastes I listen to things hardly anyone has ever heard of infact its a style of music called Down Tempo, artists like Spore, Giocomo Bondi, Air, Kaskade and many others most probably never heard of. It's a great form of music and relaxing yet totally ignored and buried by the music industry at large.

Anyways just saying when a service or evenb a band offers the audience what they are looking for and the style they want... The audiences will indeed pay the price.

Piracy can be slowed but never will it be halted but more than those two things most business in adult and music for that matter just miss thier audiences by a very wide margin by not providing what thier audiences expect and want.

I was referring to paysites.

Fiddy Shap ideas on content theft.

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The best part about these threads is that everyone is trying to beat the tubes.

If there was a tube site in the Alexa top 50 giving away stolen Hollywood movies and TV shows it would get shut down in 30 days or less.

Your question didnt say paysite and its certainly not for free.

While your there get your own legal tube site too....

http://tubefeeder.aebn.net/

I agree 100%. Look at our industry. You have far too many large programs going around saying FUCK THE SURFER! The surfer rarely is treated properly for the money they pay us. And now we are crying when they are turning around and going to tube sites for their porn. It's our own fault.

That said those of us producing and delivering content that the members are requesting and desiring are still doing very well.

and what about that fuckers who buy the content and share on their shitty tubesites 40 min long movies? :)

I know you are young but I assume you remember the dot com boom? They said everything on the net was going to be free and ads will pay for it all it failed.That basic business principles dont apply anymore an they were wrong.
The problem is too few of the big players are willing to draw aline in the sand. Companies basically fund illegal tubes,forum, p2p with ads and they are still embraced by this industry. Do you see how not smart of move that is?
Also porn survived because it was sold behind closed doors and darkened windows. Give it all away and eventually it will be banned off the net. Also that guy who wrote the article sells nothing so his opinion matters why?

thank you the movie industry actually has balls.

PS: This is why Twistys has kicked so much ass and why so many other companies fail miserably. COmpanies like Twistys and FTV have out performed the likes of Playboy and Hustler and many of the so called big programs by huge margins and how did they do it? They delivered a service that thier audiences expects when shelling out cash.

Do many of you honestly think some affilaite program that just jumps on the scene with 20 niches buys a fucken GFY skin and says go get em actually makes it huge? Those companies are dead already and are a dime a dozen.

Guys that know thier niche well do very well and thats why many of you scratch yer heads wondering how do people make it in this business! Its easy. Know your audience, enjoy what you do and really focus on providing a quality service to your intended audience. Surfers can give two shits about 20 site pass deals these days.

Sorry to gush about Twisty's yet again Shap but what you do is exemplery in providing what your audiences want, I can say the same about Castle Archives as well I suppose:)

Dude you could treat the customer wonderful,free will always beat you.

I know it didn't. That was my mistake.

If I'm not mistaken AEBN works on a VOD model right? I work on a paysite model which relies heavily on retention. There is no doubt AEBN relies on repeat business as well. However in the VOD market as far as I know the key to repeat business is great content delivered efficiently during the time period that the surfer is paying for. Also all those that AEBN competes with use DRM as well. I believe Adult Rental and Hot Movies both do (I may be wrong).

I asked my question because Twistys is a Top Tier site. We compete with other Top Tier sites. I research and watch very carefully what our competition is doing. From my research not a single one of our competitors is using DRM. Also, our research with our members shows that our members don't want it either. You add those two together and my conclusion is if I want Twistys to remain a Top Tier paysite I can not use DRM at this moment.

It's hard to find a tony404 post that I don't agree with 100%

Free may beat me. But by doing things the way we are we'll still be in business while free will put alot of others out of business.

Of course it's a huge mistake as an industry. The problem is for every long term minded person in this industry there are 100 short term minded people willing to burn everything to the ground to make a quick buck. No matter what you and I take a stand on there will always be a line up of others willing to take that business. From tubes, to p2p, to beastiality, to spam, to cross sales, to straight up fraud. No matter what I think is wrong someone else has no problem with it and will fund it.

it wont beat you those who are going to pay are going to pay. People forget how much of that golden tube traffic is even old enough to have a credit card ?
I think if you have what people that buy porn want and dont fuck them. You will keep making a living til governments start filtering us all off the net because of the tubefest that's coming. I think we are losing the middle of the roaders that used to pay but now there is a easy way to get a free fix.They are gone.

I dont understand you keep talking about free is the way its going but you say you are having banner months. That means people buy your product in large numbers. Dont believe the hype of free is the answer.

Youve answered your own question.
We all should work toward repeat customers and overdeliver what we promise.
As a video site when the studios movies are ripped off everyone pays the price.

The problem is that in the past the masses have championed those that have fucked the surfer on he promise of higher payouts and lavish parties. We now see the result from that business model.

Zango,toolbars,hidden prechecked cross sales, tours with models that arent inside the site... the list goes on and on.

Treat your customers well and things will fix themselves.
And yes Twistys does do this. What little traffic I have sent there in the past has converted and retained well.

If you want to stop all the nonsense then most of us need to stop doing business with others that rip off the surfer. But Im afraid there are too many here that are more worried about being being percieved as a pimp and a baller.

You are right and these threads just make me sad. we could be masters of the universe and they are going to fuck it all up.

Thanks I appreciate it. And you are 100% right. I met with a number of site owners in Vegas that are doing the same as us and you know what? Business isn't hurting. I should say there is one very common thing that all companies share... We all are working harder than ever. Pleasing a member has never been as much work as it is today. It takes a lot of work however the reward still makes that hard work well worth it.

The sad thing is tubes are doing 1% the damage these companies banging cards are doing. I estimate at least 25,000 to 40,000 surfers a day who joined a paysite are getting hit with fraudulent charges. Those are all people that will NEVER EVER EVER join a paysite again. The cost is a huge hit to you and I meanwhile these assholes are making millions stealing from people.

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I agree, we get guys who write us and want promises we are not going to hit their credit card with a bunch of charges. Its very fucked up. OR my friend had a guy bought $250 worth of clips from her clips4sale store. He writes her looking for more. She feels bad and tells him join my site you get them all for $24.95. He said he was burned so bad he will never join a membership site again.

I don't condone credit card fraud, but that statement may be the dumbest thing I have ever read. 1% my ass!!

I don't think free is the way to go. But I'm very aware that things are being pushed towards free. So I'm adapting and changing our business model to accommodate for that and that has led to us improving our product. We are working harder than ever and producing and delivering a better product yet still charging the same cost. So again there is the push towards free in action. We are not offering Twistys for free but every month that goes by our members enjoy more than ever before.

Bandwidth is a huge example of that. We are able to make more now than 2 years ago because bandwidth has come down so much it's allowing us to do things that never before were possible. We can burn 4 and 5 times the bandwidth that we did 2 years ago for the same price. If used properly that is a huge advantage to building and increasing business.

I won't lie. Prior to September we weren't having banner months. I would say Spring and summer were somewhat rough for us. Our sales and revenue were completely flat lined. When we saw that we decided to dig deeper and really analyze our company and where the industry is and where it is going. We worked very hard to reposition ourselves and try to adapt to the new reality our industry is faced with. As a result we've had back to back record sales, rebills and revenue months in November and December.

So incredibly frustrating to hear things like that. :(

We are doing the same thing, giving more sites for the same money.We raised the price when we combined the both sites so they get more for their money and rebills are sticking much longer.By the summer they will also be getting a third site included in the price.

You obviously have absolutely no idea as to what's happening. When the FTC, The Government, Visa, and Mastercard get involved there is a MAJOR problem. Tube sites aren't attracting legal prosecution and change the way the rampant credit card fraud is. Our industry is about to go thru a major major change and it has absolutely nothing to do with Tube site.

Is giving more sites the answer? Or is giving a better site the answer? Just thinking out loud....

I know. It's really sad.

Of course, they will be sued to death.

Adult industry is low hanging fruit.

You can signup to paysite for 5$, download member area, cancel membership, remove their watermark from videos and put your watermark, upload all videos to your tube site or upload videos to rapidshare and post links and screen caps on your forum.

You know what paysite owner would do ? He would start whining on GFY, thats all. And others would say - "adapt or die"

Btw BFT3K I was looking over your site. You really should improve your tour navigation and join process. I'm guessing you are losing 10 to 20% sales with your current setup.

If credit card companies get tired of chargebacks and fraud, then it will trickle down to the processing companies, and they will (hopefully) clamp down on the culprits. Perhaps you will not be able to find a processor that allows ANY cross sales in the near future - checked, unchecked, above or below the fold - none at all, which is fine by me.

On the other hand, the absurd proliferation of free porn, everywhere you look, with zero age verification, will ABSOLUTELY get the attention of govts the world over much sooner.

In a way I almost hope it comes to that, on both counts - no more cross sales, period - and no porn without a credit card for age verification. That would be cool by me!