exactly :thumbsup

I didn't think 1989 was elite enough so I added a couple more years. :thumbsup

That's a decent looking Tube :2 cents:

However what is the ratio of your paysite sales versus dating sales?

Logic tells me that it's not very good for the paysites.

Because with your logic Softcore does not sell that well, and I can see and agree with that.

But if Sofcore sales suffer greatly then the hardcore sales have to be suffering also. I mean they can't be unaffected and immune to this business model can they?

FYI: bvbucks does have 1 HC site with tube clips. http://www.bvbucks.com/flash/?affil_id=1352409&cat=5

I'm done with this thread, if you want to discuss why tubes aren't working for you hit me up on ICQ in private and I'll school you for free sometime

And it will for a long time. Live sex is where its at :thumbsup

My tube site never monetized but my cam stuff is doing well.

How many type-in sales did you get? And did that number go up since you started being promoted on tubes?

Your right in saying dating does better then the paysites but the paysites are doing a good amount of sales and converting from 1:1000 This is not an amazing ratio but very good from a site with "bulky" traffic.

I just think different concepts work for some things and not others. Soft and solo don't convert from our tube the same way hardcore won't convert from a pornstar or glam traffic sites.

I think we need to review your sites though! ReviewPorn.com will do great with your sites :thumbsup

I sign everything what BV said!

my tube is doing good selling GetRichInPorn.com I havnt added cams or dating to it yet

www.Gotvideos.com

..and what in the fuck would you know about the online business in ANY capacity?

Nigga please.
:disgust

Go back to your perception of copyright, time shifting, trouble making, bullshit threads where you belong troll. Maybe you can incite some more arguments and cause more mischief. That is what you really like doing. Which is your only purpose for being on this board.

:321GFY

Leave business on the board to people actually IN this business.

Exactly.

A good percentage in this thread are not even in this industry full time. Just board trolls.

:2 cents:

tube sites have always done well for me

Agreed...

Advertising spots on tubes are damn expensive, yet they get bought up. 30 to 60k a pop...

uhm... so you're suggesting that tube sites exist or are viable only because misguided, mathematically challenged people are prepaying ads well in advance before finding out the traffic is garbage and that they've been had and somehow word just isn't getting out... and that is the reason they thrived for several years now?

what the hell do you think is happening??? are these people pre-paying for ads for 10 years in advance under some sort of contract that they just can't back out of?

i can't believe you guys are actually serious.

its so bizarre that so many people just can't accept the fact that tube sites do well and convert traffic.

if Dating and Webcam sites make money, then You can't say it doesn't make money.

i assume you are referring to tube sites with full scenes (licensed or maybe not)
the add space being sold on that style tube is not what this thread is about

however i will say that that business model also sucks for the paysites thats content is being used in order to build that amount of traffic

this thread is more about sponsor vid tube sites and how they don't send any sales to speak of to the sponsors, most of the money being made by these tube site operators is from dating and cam sponsors

You're not the brightest are you?

Agreed, The thread title says "Tube sites make no money".

Read Your post's contradiction to Thread title You made, if You can Mr. Fucking brilliant :winkwink:

stfu ass hole and don't play semantics with me, you can't possibly be that stupid

try to have a decent business thread and the idiots are out in full force, jeez!

No shit, i like John Wayne's movies :)

Come down i was just saying Your thread title is missleading :thumbsup

I hear what you're saying BV. I would never go to the time, trouble, and expense of furnishing and hosting FLVs to affiliates.

Your sites rock by the way, :thumbsup

Look there are so many different ways of doing tubes. "Tube" is just a name for the content delivery and surfing method for those kinds of sites, though the scope and different ways of working within that model are huge.

Yes I do make reasonable money from my fairly large tube site. I take submits and only list around 20 a day from the 100+ submits I get, and don't approve anything that is too long (usually 5mins is max). From my own videos on my tube I convert an average of 1:200 just from clicks on the clickable field I allow submitters.

Its not guys like me who are hurting the industry, its the selfish pricks and idiots uploading 20 min clips, or the assholes with stolen content. Anyone with half a brain knows thats not a winning business model. You give them a few mins of reduced quality video and leave them wanting more ... they get the sample and if they like what they see they will signup! Its a great model if done correctly.

Methinks BV would probably choke or turn green if he heard some of the results from tubes.. That's ok tho.. if he doesn't want to use them all the more for everyone else :)

Why isn't anyone selling those spots then?

So many videos are on the illegal tube sites with the paysite's watermark. Why aren't programs enjoying a golden age of sign ups from all the type-ins if tube sites convert so well?

I agree, you'll find a few tubesite-paysite combos that work (I have) but you can hardly make a blanket statement that more often than not they send good traffic to paysites. It's just not the reality.

Too many people have found a few combos like I mentioned above and think they've cracked the secret code or something.

show me then

do you see any sponsors in here saying their making all sorts of sales off their flvs from tubes? no you dont

i have a hundred or more tube sites using my videos

did you read where i said their sales to my sites don't even register on the radar?

i think you are not comprehending this thread. it's been pointed out a few times. ( my poor thread title)

i have no doubt tubes are making money (just not for the paysites where they get their content!!!)

they make it by add spots they sell (like what your probably referring too) as well as dating and cams

TUBE SITES ARE NOT MAKING ANY BIG PROFITS FOR PAYSITES WHAT SO EVER

i'm sure their are a few exceptions but you get my point

the business model sucks

Why are you promoting a webmasterprogram on your tube?

it not really a webmaster program it
MLM scheme that turns surfers into webmasters.

Cuz it's fucking easy to get rich in porn, haven't you heard. GRIP is the manifestation of the dp/bhw ebook type get rich selling how to get rich crap in an adult framework.

I'm not an affiliate, I work with a program (a CLOSED program) and we have seen ratios of 1:200 or better on some of the big tubes (pushing directly to the site). And THAT is the truth. It's all about how you go about it.

I was going to say something but its not worth it. I lose more and more faith in this industry daily.

Did you not read what he said.. He said giving them the video didn't result in worthwhile sales for his paysites. However what was the last tube you saw that wasn't plastered with dating and cam site links.

Meaning these tubes take advantage of the free content not really worrying too much about sending sales to the sites giving the free content. Rather they are making their money from cams, dating and selling ad space.

TBH I could have told you thing before. MGP surfers were always the biggest group of free loaders in adult. It would only make logical sense to guess that tube surfers would be even bigger free loaders.

There is no industry. It really is every man for himself, more now than ever.

why are you even in this thread then?

this has nothing to do with you, run along now...

PS: You and your 1:200 ratio is full of shit :2 cents:

why would surfers leave a big tube site with full free videos to go to another site and pay for the same thing? they might sign up to dating and cams sites but they're not going to buy porn that's for sure.

do we talk about 1-5 min promo content or 5-25 min promo content?

cause as someone wrote here, the big tubes were bragging to be bought out, while some of them werent even profitable (it was stated in some interview here, when "sometube.com" guy asked for 20 milion dollars, while running in loss :1orglaugh )

So um...

Why is it that brazzers runs several huge tube sites featuring their own content?

The thing I've noticed is no one is posting their stats of how well their tube is converting for their sponsors providing the clips....

dont do the same as everyone else..

opening a tube in this moment if the worst move you could ever do... conversions suck so much... the worst conversions ever, belong to tubes... if you put the bw expenses, then you are breaking even.. not even makign a profit..