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After Shock Media 05-14-2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15854968)
And that is why the purveyors of God's message -- such as the Catholic church gained such power. If you are some simple peasant illiterate farmer on a wind swept hillside, and some guy turns up from the Vatican (with a load of Roman soldiers) and tells you that you must convert to Christianity or else, you do as your told.

The decision the elevate Jesus to the status of son of God was taken by a committee in Rome, with the blessing of the Roman Emperor Constantine. There was need to unite all of Roman Empire under one God (any God would have done) so that the population could be controlled. This is why Jesus' birthday falls on the winter solstice, and his death and resurrection on the spring solstice. This was so the pagans could be easily converted to Christianity, and these events would not interfere with their established celebrations. Before Christ was elevated to the son of God by committee, Christians were being fed to lions in Rome. After the decision of Constantine to convert his empire to Christianity it was the Christians feeding everyone else to the lions (and worse) to eradicate any remnants of earlier beliefs.

Skipped a whole shitload of years there didnt ya.
Not about to rip apart what you just said as parts are taken from current fiction and other parts from two different religions.

Lets just say when Constantine was Co-Emperor along with Licinus and they issued the Edict of Milan which declared Christianity to be a legal religion in 313, however Galerius had issued a similar Edict in 311. Regardless the majority of Rome was already on its way to becoming Christian. Was not until 380 that Emperor Theodosius made it the official religion of Rome.

Also the Muratorian Canon in 200 provided a list of new testament books that very closely match the list found in todays bible. Other lists that are also very close can be found when Origen did his writting in 250 and Eusebius of Caesarea in 300. I can only say it is true the Constantine did order the destroying or burning of some books by the Novatians, the Marcionites, Arius, Porphyry and a few others. However the fact remains that the biblical canon was already in place by the time Constantine became an Emperor. Other writings show that Christians switched from Saturday to Sunday as a day of worship long before him as well. In essence he did not add much of anything nor really change shit.

Damn, had to google a shit load of names as my spell checker went totally ape shit.

Zorgman 05-14-2009 08:01 PM

Only pics can save this thread.

Max Potential 05-14-2009 08:02 PM

All I know for sure...is none of us really know anything....believe what you will...

do unto others...

After Shock Media 05-14-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by psili (Post 15855003)
Are you a dude or a chick, cuz I still haven't got that?

Your insanity is obvious, however. You need help.

Lack of a penis, outside of a drawer or chest perhaps and never had one removed by a surgeon.

Twistys Tim 05-14-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15855011)
Skipped a whole shitload of years there didnt ya.
Not about to rip apart what you just said as parts are taken from current fiction and other parts from two different religions.

Lets just say when Constantine was Co-Emperor along with Licinus and they issued the Edict of Milan which declared Christianity to be a legal religion in 313, however Galerius had issued a similar Edict in 311. Regardless the majority of Rome was already on its way to becoming Christian. Was not until 380 that Emperor Theodosius made it the official religion of Rome.

Also the Muratorian Canon in 200 provided a list of new testament books that very closely match the list found in todays bible. Other lists that are also very close can be found when Origen did his writting in 250 and Eusebius of Caesarea in 300. I can only say it is true the Constantine did order the destroying or burning of some books by the Novatians, the Marcionites, Arius, Porphyry and a few others. However the fact remains that the biblical canon was already in place by the time Constantine became an Emperor. Other writings show that Christians switched from Saturday to Sunday as a day of worship long before him as well. In essence he did not add much of anything nor really change shit.

Damn, had to google a shit load of names as my spell checker went totally ape shit.

You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

After Shock Media 05-14-2009 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15855047)
You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

Free will, its a bitch.
Technically if God is all knowing he would already know both outcomes anyways.
Again though you are mixing the old testament God and the new testament God. The old testament God had no issues smoking people left and right, it was pretty damn neurotic, liked to play games, and honestly treated man and the Earth like a 4th grader.

However it technically was not a small crime, it was not just an "apple". It was knowledge, shame, and many other things. Forget the fact that Adam or man was created twice though.

BFT3K 05-14-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15855047)
You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

Well, as God knows EVERYTHING, he had to know they were going to eat the apple before it even happened, making the whole stupid story even more rediculous.

BFT3K 05-14-2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15855071)
Technically if God is all knowing he would already know both outcomes anyways.

You beat me to it!

Max Potential 05-14-2009 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15855047)
God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple.

Why would 'God' need to play such games with humans to begin with? I have always wondered this...

After Shock Media 05-14-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 15855079)
You beat me to it!

Yeah but like I said, that is ruled out by free will.
I admit there are many contradictions.

Twistys Tim 05-14-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15855071)
Again though you are mixing the old testament God and the new testament God.

Is it not the same God...?

The same God who created Adam is the same God who created himself in the form of Jesus -- unless I am missing something....?

After Shock Media 05-14-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15855091)
Is it not the same God...?

The same God who created Adam is the same God who created himself in the form of Jesus -- unless I am missing something....?

They could be the same. It could of matured, it could be psychotic, it could be made up. Remember I am agnostic. I just happen to have educated myself about such things.

I think I am done being serious for the night. I do not feel well enough to keep my head doing this while under the influence of so much shit.

2012 05-14-2009 08:39 PM

I believe in the great grandfather in the sky. I believe the children are our future. Long live the king !



God doesn't believe in you. No refunds sorry ...

qxm 05-14-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15855124)
They could be the same. It could of matured, it could be psychotic, it could be made up. Remember I am agnostic. I just happen to have educated myself about such things.

I think I am done being serious for the night. I do not feel well enough to keep my head doing this while under the influence of so much shit.

k... call me crazy but I have heard from Christians (catholics, adventists, pentecostals) that there are actually 3 under one name "G-d" .. the so called trinity ... G-d father, son and holly ghost (not a dove as some make it look/sound) ... all 3 share the same rank and they are separate "beings" ..

I don't take this as a fact tho.. because the whole argument is obviously impossible to prove or disprove..

INever 05-14-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential (Post 15855083)
Why would 'God' need to play such games with humans to begin with? I have always wondered this...

Cause it's fun. Life on Earth may very well be "just a game".

amacontent 05-15-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854542)
Thanks for the attack


IM KIDDING IM KIDDING It was just wide open.

2012 05-15-2009 12:04 AM


LoveSandra 05-15-2009 01:41 AM

Porn is the God

DWB 05-15-2009 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
have any belief?

I believe in myself. That is the only person that is not going to let me down. I also believe in science.

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
do you celebrate Christian holidays?

I do not. However, if a family member wants me to join them I will, for the sake of being with the family or friends. But never for the holiday.

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
ever touched a Bible?

I've read every page.

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
Do you pray?

Only when I'm waiting for my HIV test results. And even then, I just pray that I don't have it, and not really praying to a person or god figure. Just praying out loud for the sake of praying.

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

If I had to bet money on something, this would be it. While I'm not 100% sold this is THE answer, I do believe that at this time, it is the best answer we have.

Fletch XXX 05-15-2009 05:31 AM

anyone in this industry is not christian, no matter how much they claim to pray, you cant have your cake and eat it too.

if you sling porn you are not christian. it goes against everything your religion stands for and all your beliefs. hypocrisy has always walked hand in hand with faith

StaceyJo 05-15-2009 05:52 AM

I just pray.

Porn Mickey 05-15-2009 06:21 AM

I want to believe
 
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Paul Markham 05-15-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EXPORT (Post 15854444)
...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

I find that so much easier to believe than the bibles version.

Also if God does exist he must love sex, he gave us sex to enjoy, not to feel guilty about.

mineistaken 05-15-2009 08:01 AM

working in porn did not change me, I am still a good Christian catholic person :)

mineistaken 05-15-2009 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15856107)
anyone in this industry is not christian, no matter how much they claim to pray, you cant have your cake and eat it too.

if you sling porn you are not christian. it goes against everything your religion stands for and all your beliefs. hypocrisy has always walked hand in hand with faith

eh..... EVERY christian has made at least one sin... So if you make something against the rules of religion you still can be cgristian. Otherwise there would be 0 christians in the whole world :)


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