Exactly. Even someone who signed up two years ago and hasn't tested your program yet. Today might be the day, who knows. Every affiliate has value.

If you have a site that IS that girl. Then you should be able to SEO it and own that position. It's not brain surgery. It's little things. I didn't do those little things myself because I didn't think about it until my eyes were opened. Then I did a little research and took care of it.

If others choose not to, and decide that allowing other people to have the number one spot on Google for the name of the girl that the paysite is about...then so be it. It's a bad business decision and will cost you a lot of money...money that you are basically just handing to someone else who did not bring ONE set of new eyes to your girls' site.
Remember, with a solo girl...the person searching is SPECIFICALLY already looking for her. It's not like SEO'ing a cool keyword like "porn" or "milf".

Fact is, it's a great and smart strategy on the part of an affiliate to get that number one spot for solo girls sites. And conversely it's a bad thing for any paysite that doesn't address that issue. The paysite is basically giving away money. And maybe a few years back that wasn't a big deal. But in this economic climate, I would say that it IS a big deal and that everyone should optimize the sites they have.

Let us affiliates earn our money, the way we used to.

Post of the month for GFY - that is if GFY had that feature.

Hi Ralph. I would strongly suggest that you get some TEXT on the page http://christymarks.com index page.

Secondly the images on the tour have no alt or title tags. Check it out:
<img src="images/free/banner/CM_TopBanner_20324.jpg" width="1008" alt="" border="0">

Those pages are NOT optimized for SEO. But it would take minimal effort on your part to make it so. The proper text on that index page coupled with some creative alt tags and better text descriptions on the tour page would have you at number one by the end of the week.

I'll take your pepsi challenge :)

Ok, but you're a smaller operation AND an affiliate to boot, so you're doing the leg work.

Now take it up a notch to a slightly larger operation - how much do you figure they are losing to an affiliate VS paying someone to do the SEO and keep that top position?

Good man. :)

And I love the stuff you guys have been doing. Christy Marks and Karina Hart are so goddamn hot!

Once you SEO your girl and IF you do a dynamic tour (like I do) with fresh text that always is relevant to her...Google will keep you at number one.
Claudia-Marie.Com is number one for almost any variation of her name. It's because it IS her. And I make sure to keep it fresh and plenty of creative text that speaks about her and that particular update.

You don't need to pay anybody to do SEO for that. You just need to know the girl and what she's doing and keep the tour dynamic so it doesn't get stale.

That way you are "seo'ing" it every week when you do a new update and the tour gets that new update.

It's not that hard of a thing to do.

The real SEO guys are the ones that I said earlier....you want to make a solo girl number one for a big search term? THAT takes talent and skill.

When one of my affiliates makes it so that a surfer types in "big tits" and Claudia-Marie's site is number one with his affiliate code in it...I'm going to gladly pay him the 10 grand plus checks every month that he'll earn in affiliate commissions.

That kind of thing is beyond my capabilities.

But making sure you have the number one spot for the girls name for her own website? Not that hard.

You didn't answer the question though, you just told me what you do. I know what you do. You work in the biz, you don't just sit there jerking off all day. There is work involved in keeping that spot (as you stated in the portion about what you do to keep it updated with fresh text for the tour) which would be part and parcel of SEO.

So in your humble opinion, in a larger operation is it worth more to pay staff to keep doing the SEO/fresh text, or just let some affiliate collect his revshare or PPS?

300 affiliates sending traffic give or take a few.

On our new site Sakura Live. Roughly 10% of the people that are sending traffic make sales.

On all sites in our network. Around 28% of the people that are sending traffic make sales.

I don't have the data on the JP side :(

Hope this helps :)

They shouldn't be paying anybody to do SEO. They SHOULD be keeping their tours fresh and dynamic already. Google will take care of itself at that point.

The question you're really asking is what should a paysite owner be willing to pay someone if they are NOT running a proper index page and tour. That's something I can't help them with. They've probably already paid some designer to make them a "pretty" tour that is stagnant. That's already a dead end.

I would say that the best that person could do would be to LEARN this business and not just be some guy who pays everybody else to do the work.

Having said that, if it were me and I was hell bent on having a beautiful designed and stagnant (dead) tour...then at the very least I would get one of my monkeys to get their ass on that page and put in some alt tags that had the girls NAME in them.

For instance if the girls website is JaneHoe.com (I'm making that up, my apologies if there really is a JaneHoe.com), I would make sure that every image on the page would have an alt tag that described it. So if it's a small pic of her sucking cock, the alt tag would be: "Jane Hoe nasty slut whore sucking an angry hard cock before anal penetration on janehoe.com"
And there are a couple of tags that you can use (seo guys know them as well) to try and "fool" google into seeing "text" where there is just an image with graphics text. But the best thing to do would be to have the web designer (since this paysite owner doesn't bother to learn anything himself) cut that image up and leave a "box" for REAL text to be inserted.

All that pretty graphics text doesn't do you any good.

Anyway, there is your answer.

Both of you guys have very valid points. However, I do have to say, we've totally thread-jacked Cunning's thread >,>

Can I please fuck Christy Marks? I've begged Erasmo, but I think he's keeping her to himself. :1orglaugh

I've heard this gripe before from program owners and i say its bullshit. As you point out, so many ways programs are LOSING sales to tube sites, the last thing I would be complaining about is one of my affiliates SENDING IN sales from the search engine, even if they god forbid mentioned my models name. If they can do a better job at SEO than me, I am glad that THEY are sending the traffic to me and not targeting my models to direct that traffic to someone else. Or whos to say if I would ever get the traffic anyway if that affiliate wasn't on the search engine.

In a time of sales being so low I can't imagine how a program woud bitch about getting sales. :2 cents:

From my experience, and this was offering to help people 1 on 1 if they signed up as an affiliate. 90% of them did nothing, didn't even bother to send traffic. They took the time to signup and either didn't have traffic to send or never bothered switching over some of their traffic. I think it would be a fair estimate to say you could get 1 good affiliate out of 100. Most of the ones that signup and don't send traffic really don't count. If you only count the ones that actually send traffic, it might be like 1 out of 20 that will do good.

That's because you aren't interpreting what I'm saying. This thread was about affiliates being USEFUL or not. An affiliate that is targeting a solo girls name in SEO is NOT sending any new sales. They are sending sales that would already belong to the paysite.

You're bringing up a completely different subject with piracy that has nothing to do with this discussion.

But I'll humor you anyway. I have an affiliate who is pretty damn good at SEO. And he's clever enough that before I started paying attention to the little things myself, he would grab that number one spot for Claudia-Marie using his PPS code.

Goddamn that ate me up for the couple of weeks he did that.

That number one spot is GOLD for a solo girl site. Not so much the number two or three spots.

You can ponder the "why" of this conversation until the cows come home. But if you think that handing out YOUR money for sales that came in from people looking for YOUR site to begin with (and not a keyword) then I suppose that's how we differ in business approach.

Having been a pretty good affiliate myself since the mid 1990's I can tell you that my job as an affiliate is to send NEW eyes to look at a site. You know, it is called PROMOTING. I don't think that having a number one spot on google for a solo girls name is "promoting" anything.

Is it smart for an affiliate if they can pull that off? Yep. Is it actually promoting the site? Nope.

No affiliate is worthless. Regardless, they're helping you brand your site[s]. 1 sale or 50 a period, it's all money.

nice reading, valid points, this should not be on this board right?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I don't have time to argue with you so im just replying to that statement above and leaving it at that.

How can you say that those sales already belonged to you. How do you know that??? People could just as easy target model's name for traffic to send to their damn tgp or to a model who looks like her or to where the fuck ever. I see you said in a previous reply people would be stupid to do this now blah blah, but trust me a lot of people do stupid things.

you have ZERO guarantee that you would be getting sales the sales yourself that your affiliates are sending in from the SE... ZERO. It is stupid to think that if you had 10 affiliate sales today from the SE that went to your program, if those affiliates were gone you would have got those 10 sales yourself. Also it's kind of hard for a site like freeones to PROMOTE your model with out saying her damn name, don't you think? It doesn't mean he is TARGETING her and trying to steal sales. Which if he was so, re read my point A above.

So you think some affiliates happen to take all of sales that would have gone to the company, even if you were right which you aren't, the programs also make free money off of affiliate 100x more times than vice versa. 1. The affiliate is putting her name out there that much more helping to brand her, the sufer might look at her and later type in her url and not google her, bypassing the affiliate from making money. How many of these programs use cookies, I am sure some sales get lost from cookies being blocked, etc...


I just can't believe a program would bitch about MAKING sales, unless it came from a spammer that was getting them in hot water and fines, other than that how can someone bitch about getting sales even if it is from the SE ?

I know that there are a lot of long replies on this thread. But here was my thoughts on that from an earlier one that asked the same thing:
And I never said ANYBODY was STEALING anything. So don't put words in my mouth. What I said was it is foolish for a paysite to lose sales that should be THEIR sales. If you don't agree, then fine. I personally like to make my money. If others don't or if you don't, then that is okay with me. I won't lose a wink of sleep over you.

Yeah, don't worry about the threadjacking guys :)

I should really have clarified a bit better.

I mean how many actually make ONE SALE +

Any affiliate that sends traffic is not useless in the slightest, they are helping you to spread the word about your site, and build brand awareness for you - FREE.

As for the argument about Affiliates and Brand names, the program owners should really SEO their sites properly. I just LOVE IT when I sign up for a program, and see how badly their main sites have been put together - beating them for their own brand phrases in the serps is like taking candy from a baby. They shouldn't gripe about affiliates, they should sort their own shop out first.

Which was all I was saying and Will76 went ballistic about it.

If a paysite owner is either too uneducated, too busy, or whatever the reason to not make sure to optimize their site and make SURE that if it is a popular solo girl site that they have the number one spot on google...then hell yes a site like FreeOnes would be crazy to NOT take those sales. As I said earlier. It's great for the smart affiliate that sees that money just laying there. And real bad for the paysite owner who left that money on the table.