Actually I am in favor of programs like these, when executed correctly. I would not mind if this went on all year, with some changes. :thumbsup

ITYG? Just give it up already. You can twist words all day long but the facts are there. You trying to dismiss it so ardently just proves you only care about your political spin and/or partisan bullshit bias. I'm not interested in that. Really, wouldn't it be much easier to find some of the other administration fuckups to use as examples? They're there. Yet you ruin your credibility and are lumped in with the likes of baddog by wasting it trying to find some way to paint this success as a failure.

It was designed to stimulate the economy by moving 250k cars.

It moved 500k.

I see the huge failure there.

wow, what a horrible disaster of a program not meeting it's goals.

from the article-

fuck, healthcare is doomed.

The program is not whats failing. :2 cents:

Yep that is the big question. I think it was a pretty good success overall. The idea of stimulus is to put money in people's pockets and create jobs. There were announcements the other day that GM was calling back a bunch of workers since they were selling cars again and clearly these dealers got big boosts in business, plus consumers got a good deal and we got a bunch of polluting, inefficient cars off the streets. The question is will they find new ways to entice consumers to buy now that the massive rebates are gone? I guess we will find out.

Fucking anal probe. It was all his fault.

I heard a supposed conservative saying the other day on the radio "if they want to get $3 billion into the economy, they should just give every person an equal share of the cash."

Dumb dumb dumb. First of all, that REALLY goes against conservative values (a government handout that isn't a scaled tax rebate), but most of all, that would ONLY get $3 billion moving, and most people would either just pay bills or save it. Cash for Clunkers got $3 billion injected into the economy PLUS the movement of the rest of the cash spent on the upgraded vehicles, which far outweighs the govt injection.

Even though it's just money moving into different pockets, it's a big prod on consumer spending, which is the thing that REALLY needs to get back to normal in order to get things moving back in the right direction. I see no failure.

originally the stimulis aspect of it was just a side note added to the program since it was mostly an environmental program. they hyped the stimulis aspect after it showed it was going to be popular.
the text of the program and the ads and commercials said that it would last until november or until the funds ran out. the extra billions were added because it became popular and could be used in public opinion as a stimulis program too. it never needed or was owed the additional funds. if it would of ran out with the original money the program still was a success. extra funds just make it a extra success.
if dealers can not wait the time oh well. program explained there would be waits. car companies also bent over backwards and gave dealers credit to float the cars and they also were given ability to sell cars not on lot then program was changed i think recently to ease of miliage per gallon too. everyone will be paid and the iou's are as good as cash and we all know it. does anyone think they would part with them right now for seventy five cents on the dollar in cash right now if they are not already up shit creak?
many haters in here and you can see who is looking for ways to hate on the current government. i hate this program but i can see it is a success.

That is fucking stupid.

The main reason I am for programs like this is because it is rewarding those who have (most likely) paid into the system, have good credit (good enough for a car anyway) and they deserve some of their tax money back.

I dont like the mandate to crush the cars or the 13 pages of paper work or the fact that now that it is "successful" they decide to suspend it. Not to mention the length its taking to pay the dealerships back. This is where the failure part of the program kicks in. And gives people a look into the future of government run health care. It raises legitimate concerns.

dealers have prolly raped 80+% of the posters in this thread posting about how shitty it is for dealers.

but that's ok, cause they have to fall on the sword to complain about the president.

Oh bullshit. If it would've taken until November for the original $1billion to be run through the program, would that be anymore success or failure? OK, they underestimated how many people would jump on this offer, fine. Boo fucking hoo for the dealers, they WILL get their cash. Just because people jumped 5x faster than expected, you expect the govt to automatically speed up 5x? Nope, it'll take the same amount of time it would've in the original outline, dealers went into this KNOWING that.

And dealers have to do paperwork, oh, heavens me, cry me a fucking river. Like I've never had to do paperwork for a car dealer. They got a fuckin shot in the arm, they should quit their whining.

Fair enough on the reward aspect you mention, I can see that perspective. As for the car crushing, I'm on the fence about that. It was meant to be an environmental program, so I understand wanting to get the cars permanently off the road (the ecology of car crushing is obviously debatable). I also can see the other side, there are people who can't get to the job they need because they can't afford a car. So, I don't know on that one.

I don't have ALL the answers, unlike most other people around here. But I shed not one tear for the poor car dealers.

why hasnt anyone mentioned where the C4C funding came from?

its taxpayer money..

so, for anyone that used this program, you owe me a big thank you for giving you the $4500 I paid for your piece of shit trade in... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The government said 10 days. They should own up to that. I dont care that they had to do paper work. But it takes MORE tax payer money for someone to go over the 13 pages. Wasted money. Shave down the paper work and you could work in more C4C deals.


My guess is that a fair amount of people that could afford a car and get a loan have paid their fair share of taxes. :2 cents:

well no they need to thank the Chinese, if the chinese wouldnt of lent us mega loads of money we would have no country anymore, so thank them first.

Heresy. Our government is BUILT on paperwork. Don't you get that? :1orglaugh

As of Thursday 1.9 billion (total) had been used and they announced the Monday 5PM shutdown in anticipation of strong weekend sales. CARS has been an overwhelming success that has accomplished exactly what it was designed to do. The intense public response was a shock to everyone involved.

The actual program "wind down" press release is here WG:
http://www.cars.gov/files/Windown%20Release%208.20.pdf