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But eh, sticky... I believe you're now trying to argue that vaccinations don't slow down the spread of infections?
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A) Someone vaccinated and exposed to the virus B) Someone not vaccinated and exposed to the virus C) Someone vaccinated and not exposed to the virus D) Someone not vaccinated and not exposed to the virus I think anyone would agree D is the least likely. I think anyone would agree C poses some risk that was not necessary I think anyone would agree B poses some risk but is far from severe for most people I think anyone would agree A poses some risk but is far from severe for most people The above facts do not in any way change the basic point that it should be YOUR decision about your own body. You are arguing whether a person should get vaccinated and others are arguing that it isn't your decision to make unless it is your body being injected. Do you not see that those two points are not the same? |
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The point of this thread is people being forced to have untested vaccines injected in them in order to continue at a job. Vaccines that contain mercury as a preservative... sounds awesome. :1orglaugh Tell us all again how the virus dies almost instantly outside the human body... |
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This isn't about protecting people from their own choices. It's about protecting others from their choices. If you're not willing to do everything within your power to ensure that you don't negatively affect the health of your patients, you should take a long, hard look at whether you should be working in a hospital. |
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Someone like Sticky would be the first in line to sue...if it was his loved one that had died because Staff had caused their death. |
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just like a cook is required to wash his hands before handling food, just like a construction worker is required to wear a hard-hat or perhaps just like a pilot is required to pass random drug/alcohol tests... You are probably thinking.. "yea, but that's different, washing hands poses no risk to anyone"... but sure it does, I wouldn't be surprised if more people die from some weird antibacterial soap allergic reaction than from flu vaccines... |
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U.S. Law will never allow that to happen. :2 cents: |
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Show me a nurse who signed an agreement with a hospital giving the hospital the right to inject him or her with anything.... |
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but still, that's life, if department of health announces that food workers now need to wash their hands with a different soap than they did for the past 50 years... it's tough luck, whether you are pregnant or 2 months away from retirement, you are washing your hands with the new soap or are finding a new job... :2 cents: |
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Please tell all us non medical students how you were 100% right though.... |
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oh dear .... as someone who's waited for hours on end at ERs doctors and nurses are the least of your problems when at the hospital. When you wait for 3-4-5-6 or more hours in the ER waiting room you're around coughing and bleeding people who've touched chairs and everything. And then you have all the outside visitors who come and go ...
I was just at a hospital the other day. In the waiting room they had several lotion dispensers attached on the walls full of hand sanitizing lotion. Out of about 30 people who came in and waited around only 3 used it! Also a nurse nor a doctor, in America at least, would rarely touch you without wearing latex gloves most of the time. I've seen many wearing latex gloves even while filling out paperwork and changing them with fresh ones before touching you! Our nurse went trough 3 or 4 pairs of latex gloves in an hour Also when you're on chemo or with a compromised immune system you should be wearing a mask when going out anywhere anyway! A Walmart or a Safeway has more people touching things, which you end up bringing home with you, in less than a day than your average hospital anywhere |
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For the record: 5-15 minutes on skin and up to a few hours on hard surfaces isn't all that long, especially when you consider that it isn't an on/off switch - the longer you wait, the more viral particles die off, with the minimum needed for any significant chance of infection being reached near the maximum time. Before that, however, chances already decrease rapidly as more and more particles die off. But that aside, the reason I'll ignore you from now on is another (although related) one: you can't comprehend the very simple fact that infected people are the ones spreading the virus (both to people and objects), and that lowering the rate of infection will thus also lower the rate of new infections. It's the reason I kept asking you whether you understood how the virus gets spread (a question which you failed to answer several times), and it's why you keep insisting on the incredibly dimwitted idea that vaccinations do not prevent the spread of infections among specifically localized groups of people. Quite frankly, there is no point in talking with someone who doesn't understand that very, very simple mechanism even after having had it explained to him several times. |
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To me a virus that has short term life is under an hour. 8 hours? :error How many people could touch a surface in an 8 hour period and get the flu? Anyways this whole thing is an over hyped bunch of media and government bullshit. Happens every few years... this or that happens, and we all get scared. OMG I could die.. I better hurry up and run out and spend x amount on this or that to stay safe.. rubes.. :1orglaugh |
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But whatever you are right IM sure... :error |
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BTW...please point out where he downplays it to 2 hours...I believe he said not long. He has been factual in every post he has made and...in my opinion has not downplayed or overplayed any point. |
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http://science.slashdot.org/story/09...Study?from=rss Makes you wonder what the next big epidemic will be and if the swine flu shot will make you more likely to catch that one. lol :1orglaugh |
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Also, great job on not understanding that it's not an on/off switch, not understanding that lifetime depends on circumstances, and not understanding that the carrier liquid is not infinite. One last attempt at making you understand that bit: we're not talking about a surface being "infected" for a specific amount of time. Rather, there is some liquid (mucus, most likely) containing viral particles on a surface. The moment that liquid leaves the body, environmental circumstances for the virus start changing up to the eventual point where no viral particles are left alive. The longer it takes, the more that die off and the lower chances of infection being spread get. Moreover, every touch of the surface will actually remove some carrier liquid, thus transferring it to the person who touched it (and potentially infecting that person if he transfers it to his mucus membranes). This, however, leaves less to infect others. Because the mucus in question does not mysteriously multiply. That's why you want to avoid having infected people working around the hospital: they go everywhere and leave a constant trail of fresh airborne droplets and smudged out mucus containing viral particles. If another one picks it up, the cycle starts over again, ensuring another few days of the virus being spread. Etc. On the other hand, if all workers are vaccinated, the spread is somewhat contained. The waiting room is not a good place to be, but since workers wash their hands between patients (or should wash them, anyway) and probably won't get infected themselves, the virus has far less chance to be spread. Surfaces carrying infected mucus become safe again within a few hours, hands carrying infected mucus become safe again even quicker - basically, the virus dies off pretty quickly if it doesn't get the chance to infect workers going around the hospital. Rather than functioning as a source of further infection for several days, workers at most function as passive superficial carriers for a very limited amount of time. If you cannot see how that is vastly preferable to having infected people everywhere... ugh. Quote:
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But that aside, of course chances of the swine flu being "the big one" are a few percent at most. We know for sure that there will eventually be a huge, destructive pandemic again, but we don't know when it will hit and what it will look like - we just know that it will hit hard. Keep in mind, though, that it's not a chance of a few percent at most that a million people worldwide will die. It's a chance of a few percent at most that up to half a billion people worldwide will die. If the equivalent of the Spanish Flu hit today, up to one in ten people worldwide could die. There's a pretty good chance that that would include people such as you, your children, your partner, your parents, your friends, etc. Each time a slightly different virus makes the rounds, there's a huge chance that the effects will be very small, and a very small chance that the effects will be huge. And there's no way to know beforehand which it will be. |
The fact is nobody should be forced to take the vaccine. The judge was right :2 cents:
The vaccine doesn't protect you 100% Even if you take the shot you might get sick. The shot it's self might make you sick too. I've looked into some of the ingredients of this flu shot and it's not stuff that I want in my body. I'll take my chances of maybe catching the flu which I haven't had in 12 years. |
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BTW...according to the local paper...in the local schools 1 out of every 5 students and teachers are out with the flu. Substitute teachers are being called in. I am not aware of any reported deaths...thus far. |
the vaccine is so new, its safety is not tested. Its not intelligent to tell me its safe, trust the system.
i think health care workers will be happy to take a vaccine they have confidence in. its not like they want to spread disease themselves. virus/immune systems are like software. very complicated, understood mostly by rocket scientists & brain surgeons. before i update software, i want to see if it works in the public. same thing with vaccines. im not interested in turning into a jerrys kid to prevent a disease that not likely to kill me anyway. & neither are the health care workers objecting to the mandate. If the mandatory vaccine is so smart, why has only 1 state set a mandate? |
i can get the vaccine this week if i want, but i am torn.. i spoke to a dr friend of mine and he said the highest risk right now seems to be pregnant and very obese women as well as the immune surpressed.. they seem to get the sickest in his hospital... however, they have not had one death and although some of his patients have had to be heavily sedated and on a respirator for 10-14 days, they have all come out ok..
that seems to be worst case scenario outside of death of course which i am really not in the age group for that and i have a pretty strong immune system. my concern with the vaccine is that this particular strain hasnt been tested for a long period of time.. although i think the majority of people will have no ill effects, i have to determine if the risk outweighs the benefit.. i will say this though, the medical community is worried about how this is multiplying and also about how thins virus will mutate.. maybe i will just flip a coin and let fate decide... |
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Of course, mutations are a danger, but those are mostly important from a public health perspective. From an individual perspective, the danger is too small to worry about. |
I would never take any vaccine ordered to me by a gov.
This thing was rushed into production. It has not even been tested. It has mercury in it, and chemicals found in insect spray. Check out cdc.gov and see for yourself. And you would still put this in your arm? I'd sooner buy a hot dose from a jerry curled heroin pusher, than trust what the gov tells me. Seriously, think for yourselves. Duke |
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I checked with a CNA that works at the local hospital and she said that all staff members have been given a flu shot...for the ordinary flu...they do not yet have the shots for the "swine flu"...but expect to have it any day. I asked her if it was mandantory for all staff to receive the flu shot...and she said she did not know if there was/is an option or not. She said all staff were told to get the shot and as far as she knows everyone did.
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i feel soo bad for the people who have this flu
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