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I guess all gloves are off and it's time to step up the game and see to it these folks are soon doing the perp walk. Don't let those republican holdouts fool ya. All for show. After their little countdown like it was New Years Eve or something they were all celebrating. They covered their budgets and fucked the entire populace.

noncompliance is my new favorite word.

yeah well in states where jails are privatized that's gonna bite them back

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16523521)

One of the major problems with health care is the non-payers. These are people who go to the ER and urgent care centers and get treatment then don't pay. That cost is then passed on to everyone else. So if a person just doesn't want health insurance for no legit reason and ends up becoming a non-payer we all then get to pay for them. You are forced to carry car insurance if you drive, I think they are using the same principles here. I also think they are expecting to supply enough subsidies that anyone can get health insurance no matter how little money you make so the only reason for not having it would be that you just decided that you don't need it and don't want it even if the government is paying for it.

You mean like the tens of millions of illegal aliens who have abused and are still abusing the system?

How does adding tens of millions of MORE deadbeats like that.. make healthcare costs less for average Americans?

How the heck is that possible?

It makes no sense on its face.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16530246)

There are a lot of illegal aliens for sure and that is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but there are a ton of US citizens that don't have health insurance and go to the ER or urgent care centers to get treated then don't pay the bill. If those US citizens had health insurnace it would be that many fewer non-payers in the system which could help the cost go down.

But in a sense you are correct, until there is something done about all the illegals living here and using the system we will continue to have a problem with non-payers.