Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525302)

You really believe that there is a group of people who are telling DA's, police and various law enforcement to just arrest and jail people so they can make money? You really believe that we have all the laws we have on the books because this "group" wants to make more money and having more people in jail helps their bank account?

If so why is there such a shortage of jail space? Why are they always letting people slide and not sending them to jail or letting them out early because they don't have anywhere to put them? Why not invest some of this money and build new prisons or expand the existing ones?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525332)

So these wealthy people have created a system that includes a bunch of laws that will put people in jail so they can make money off of them and everyone in that system just goes along with it and is not bright enough to see what is happening?

And still, if it is so lucrative why are they not building more prisons and jails? Why turn people loose that could be in jail? Surely the cost of another jail is nothing compared to what they are making off the prisoners and I'm sure they can word everything just right and get the tax payers to pay for it.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 16525335)

Speaking of laws...it has probably been 20 years ago...that I read there were more than ten million laws/ordinances on the books nationally...from city to county to state to federal laws/ordinances. When one considers that each law/ordinance restricts something...one can wonder how we can call ourselves a free country. In my life I have had many...many more problems with city and county laws/ordinances than I have ever had with state or federal laws/ordinances.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 16525335)

Speaking of laws...it has probably been 20 years ago...that I read there were more than ten million laws/ordinances on the books nationally...from city to county to state to federal laws/ordinances. When one considers that each law/ordinance restricts something...one can wonder how we can call ourselves a free country. In my life I have had many...many more problems with city and county laws/ordinances than I have ever had with state or federal laws/ordinances.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525341)

Holy shit are we having a break through here? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525355)

Still no answer?

If it is so profitable why are they not constantly building more jails and prisons. There is a ton of money going to waste every day when they let people off that should be going to jail or they release people early from jail because there is no room for them.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525372)

Dude we have 4% of the population and more than the world in jail and empty prisons... Do you not remember the ordeal recently where some fraud was trying to take control of one?? Our entire system is based on fraud. Why do people get released because the sheriffs department is not a part of the scam. Well in most cases anyway. The person with the most power within your county even more power then the president is your county sheriff. If his jail is full by these fools over doings he cuts them loose.. You don't have to believe me. You're going to see it before you very eyes... Keep your eyes open.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525372)

Dude we have 4% of the population and more than the world in jail and empty prisons... Do you not remember the ordeal recently where some fraud was trying to take control of one?? Our entire system is based on fraud. Why do people get released because the sheriffs department is not a part of the scam. Well in most cases anyway. ... The person with the most power within your county even more power then the president is your county sheriff. If his jail is full by these fools over doings he cuts them loose.. You don't have to believe me. You're going to see it before you very eyes... Keep your eyes open.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525381)

But you just said that there is a powerful group that is running all of this from behind the scenes as a for-profit system. They could easily build another jail or expand a jail and give a local sheriff all the jail space he could use and they in turn would make more money. But for some reason the don't.

If I have an investment that is paying off wholesale, I look for ways to grow it. If I see loopholes that are costing me money, I look to close them. Why is this "group" that is running things not doing so?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525396)

Look into why those people wanted the deal to continue. It's all about money (pieces of paper). Yes even after they knew dude was a fraud they wanted to continue... Even after it became public knowledge he was a fraud..

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525402)

Ok, now you have officially lost me. I just want to know why they don't build more prisons and make more money. I don't know who you are talking about as far as a dude being a fraud.

You have said there is a "group" who profits greatly from creating tons of laws and seeing a lot of people in jail. Yet every day hundreds of people are either let out early or given some alternate sentence because the jails are too crowded to take them. They could be making so much more money if they just build some more jails, but for some reason they don't. Why?

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 16523562)

oh, sorry, i'm 'stupid'

if that bill hasn't been voted on, that means it hasn't been passed right? Maybe you should figure out what insulting people for nothing means in conversation fascist

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525418)

Dude you give up your rights at the age of consent. In reality your rights are given up at birth with your birth cirtificate which is how you become a ward of the state. If you don't know the law from that point on which is kind of easy to do since they don't teach you this shit you give up your rights.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525443)

See this is the beauty of you. I ask a question, you deflect.

I'm not asking about wards of the state or my personal rights. This is what I want to know:

If there is a group of people out there controlling the legal system in this country and using it as a way to make money why are they not building more prisons and making more money. If you are going to go to the the effort of getting these laws passed so you can get people arrested, why would you not provide a place for them to sit in jail so you can make money?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16525453)

You're not seeing the beauty of your question. I stated before you even asked that there were prisons sitting empty. Now why don't they fill them? Because their game is up.. Like I said watch and see.. They cant pay for what you/we don't provide....

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16525463)

I thought they controlled everything though. How can the game be up?

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16525435)

Dear Canadian idiot, here in America, the Democratric "bill" being voted on today carries the manditory language.
This thread is about the bill. No one said it passed. If you can't understand that much, stay the fuck out of the thread.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16523521)

One of the major problems with health care is the non-payers. These are people who go to the ER and urgent care centers and get treatment then don't pay. That cost is then passed on to everyone else. So if a person just doesn't want health insurance for no legit reason and ends up becoming a non-payer we all then get to pay for them. You are forced to carry car insurance if you drive, I think they are using the same principles here. I also think they are expecting to supply enough subsidies that anyone can get health insurance no matter how little money you make so the only reason for not having it would be that you just decided that you don't need it and don't want it even if the government is paying for it.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16530246)

You mean like the tens of millions of illegal aliens who have abused and are still abusing the system?

How does adding tens of millions of MORE deadbeats like that.. make healthcare costs less for average Americans?

How the heck is that possible?

It makes no sense on its face.