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gandalfuy 12-29-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16690129)
Seen this too many times, rehab doesn't work, the only thing I have seen work is changing everything, like moving to a new place and get new friends.
About the only thing that works, they have to hit rock bottom to figure out they have to change

Yup.. and he must be the one that should come out with that idea actually... rehab for meth is not an outside process but from the addict itself.

He has been talking it for 5 years already? :warning

:helpme

Loch 12-29-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16690980)
Alcoholics arte just as bad as meth addicts, and this place is filled with alcoholics who want you to trust them with your business/money. How many people in this thread couldnt go 5 years without a drink? A week? LOL

There is no difference between an alcoholic and meth addicts imho. How many lives has alcohol ruined? ;) As someone whos been through AA, meth and alcohol are the same damn thing.

So in your opinion ALL Europeans are alcoholics because they have 1-2 glasses of wine with dinner every night? :upsidedow

Besides seeing as YOU have been through AA you should also know that getting addicted to alcohol is a LOT harder then Meth, heroine, and the likes!
It also has a LOT less impact on the addicts surroundings, sure an alcoholic may destroy his family, but for a meth addict that is just the beginning.

baddog 12-29-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 16689949)
kicking the habit usually is close to impossible.

What makes you think that?

ShellyCrash 12-29-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 16691504)
A great guy, but I told him it was time to go and the house was 98% done. 2 months later I get a call from the Realtor telling me there is a guy at the house stealing all the appliances and destroyed a wall to pull the copper-wire out. It was the handyman I hired.

Good story and great example. :thumbsup

Wiseman 12-29-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 16689949)
Yeah, so I found out one of the very promising coders I have regurarly uses Meth.. I have heard about the shit and it seems worse than crack - kicking the habit usually is close to impossible. Anyone got some advice, experiences etc? Appearantly he has been using it for more than 5 years...
Thx!

I did it for several years Damn near ran everything into the ground. Kicked it on my own. But Im a 1%R Not many people do. But Id still say fire him. Nothing good comes from it.

Wiseman 12-29-2009 11:09 AM

oh and he's not Ill every second or 3rd day. He just ran out of meth and is sleeping!

L-Pink 12-29-2009 11:11 AM

This is why I do cocaine. It's not addicting. In fact I have friends that have done coke everyday for 20 years and they're not addicted.


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Loch 12-29-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman (Post 16691616)
oh and he's not Ill every second or 3rd day. He just ran out of meth and is sleeping!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mvee 12-29-2009 11:43 AM

I have been through this with several employees.

The problem will start to manifest itself in mood swings, lies, long periods of absences with bizarre excuses, lots of unnecessary drama, and a general lack of productivity. Depending on the state you live in you will need to handle it carefully so not to open yourself up for a lawsuit.

Don't be surprised if they tell you that they are in the process of trying to get clean. Don't fall for it This is typical addict manipulation to save their job.

CaptainHowdy 12-29-2009 11:46 AM

The magic of this biz it's that a coder on meth it's probably more reliable than one that doesn't... :/.

GAMMA303 12-29-2009 01:53 PM

I've known a few peeps who have gotten into this over th years.

Its all bad. You can hope that they get better but facts are facts.

If you want a little insight into Meth use watch "A scanner darkly" the psuedo drug I think it's called "Death" or "Vitamin D" was modeled after the writers friends who have fallen to meth over the years. At the end of the movie he lists their names and how they have fallen most with Organ Failure / Death or Schizophrenia. The movie is a good watch but then when you replace the drug with meth it has a very serious undertone.

Its a fuckin sad way to go, but you gotta get rid of him asap! Sorry to hear about this.

Socks 12-29-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16690980)
Alcoholics arte just as bad as meth addicts, and this place is filled with alcoholics who want you to trust them with your business/money. How many people in this thread couldnt go 5 years without a drink? A week? LOL

There is no difference between an alcoholic and meth addicts imho. How many lives has alcohol ruined? ;) As someone whos been through AA, meth and alcohol are the same damn thing.

Drinking every 5 years makes you an alcoholic? ;)

trevesty 12-29-2009 02:04 PM

Well, given that you said he's always "sick", I'd say kick him to the curb. Sounds like he's got a pretty addictive personality and/or the meth just "took over". If he just did it every now and then to help finish up a big project more quickly, I'd say who gives a shit.

flashfire 12-29-2009 02:23 PM

call that intervention show

TheAmericanCannibal 12-29-2009 02:27 PM

all the best coders are tweekers.
just like "all the best cowboys have chinese eyes"
-Pete Townshend

:1orglaugh

Tjeezers 12-29-2009 04:50 PM

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q...MethJunkie.jpg

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-conten...neals__opt.jpg

Having a junk in your team is not so great.

wizzart 12-29-2009 08:55 PM

I hear that is very hard to anyone stop using Meth, especially when it's used for year.

Press Release Pro 12-29-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 16691618)
This is why I do cocaine. It's not addicting. In fact I have friends that have done coke everyday for 20 years and they're not addicted.


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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

EscortBiz 12-29-2009 09:14 PM

if it doesnt hurt his work and doesnt hurt anyone else in your business it shouldn't matter

brassmonkey 12-29-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 16691504)
Fire him now! Quick story. I bought a very old house that was 70% restored when the previous owner went BK. I hired a handyman for $20 an hour that had amazing talent for this kind of thing. 2 months into the job I even asked him why he does not run his own company due to the great work he did. He explained he's been sober for 6 years and used meth for 20 years and had a felony record. Anyway, he had some problems at home and got back on that shit. In 3 months I watched him lose 45 pounds and everything he owned. He truly went crazy seeing imaginary things and his work went to pure shit plus he sold his rig and all his tools. A great guy, but I told him it was time to go and the house was 98% done. 2 months later I get a call from the Realtor telling me there is a guy at the house stealing all the appliances and destroyed a wall to pull the copper-wire out. It was the handyman I hired.

$8k to fix all the damage.... get rid of him now.. You can not help these people unless "they" truly want help. Also, the chemical alters their brain so much that they will never be the same. Run.

:1orglaugh:(:Oh crap: :rasta

Farang 12-29-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 16691618)
This is why I do cocaine. It's not addicting. In fact I have friends that have done coke everyday for 20 years and they're not addicted.


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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Platinumpimp 12-29-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo (Post 16690127)
That's debatable. What the employee is doing is extremely illegal.

True, and on top of that. How do you actually know it's not affecting his work? He has been using it for 5 years. Maybe if he laid off that shit he'd be 200% better. :2 cents:

beemk 12-29-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16690980)
Alcoholics arte just as bad as meth addicts, and this place is filled with alcoholics who want you to trust them with your business/money. How many people in this thread couldnt go 5 years without a drink? A week? LOL

There is no difference between an alcoholic and meth addicts imho. How many lives has alcohol ruined? ;) As someone whos been through AA, meth and alcohol are the same damn thing.

i dont know many alcoholics that will rob their grandmother for a drink.

Agent 488 12-29-2009 11:31 PM

my only concern would be if he's shitting his pants. and then only is his desk was beside mine. though if he was a good coder and shit his pants i guess you could just move him outside.

Agent 488 12-29-2009 11:32 PM

meth makes you super-horny so he probably spends lots of time jerking his limp cock. don't smell his keyboard.

Crunked 12-30-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JD (Post 16689966)
if it's not effecting his work it's none of your business

Quoted for truth.

SleazyDream 12-30-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JD (Post 16689966)
if it's not effecting his work it's none of your business

exactly. :2 cents:

SleazyDream 12-30-2009 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk (Post 16693997)
i dont know many alcoholics that will rob their grandmother for a drink.

you don't know many real alcoholics then...........

Fletch XXX 12-30-2009 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Loch (Post 16691550)
So in your opinion ALL Europeans are alcoholics because they have 1-2 glasses of wine with dinner every night? :upsidedow

Anyone who drinks alcohol daily is surely an alcoholic, it doesn't matter what I think. The definition of alcoholic speaks for itelf. :1orglaugh

As someone who doesnt consume a drop of alcohol I have the priv of pointing out addicts.

Fletch XXX 12-30-2009 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk (Post 16693997)
i dont know many alcoholics that will rob their grandmother for a drink.

wow you must not know any real drunks. AA is full of them, attend a meeting. If you think alcoholics do not steal to get drunk you are very naive regarding this topic. The streets are filled with homeless alcoholics who steal regularly.

The Duck 12-30-2009 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 16689949)
Yeah, so I found out one of the very promising coders I have regurarly uses Meth.. I have heard about the shit and it seems worse than crack - kicking the habit usually is close to impossible. Anyone got some advice, experiences etc? Appearantly he has been using it for more than 5 years...
Thx!

Maybe he has some kind of undiagnosed ADHD/ADD disorder and is using the meth as self medication. Central stimulants are used in the treatment of attention deficit disorder and other disorders. Maybe you can take that route and talk to him about it and have him see a doctor.

Pleasurepays 12-30-2009 07:54 AM

if its not affecting his work.. then its none of your business.

HAHAHA

i guess it will only be your business when he starts stealing, lying and when he freaks out and comes in with a huge knife and starts stabbing people. then you can fire him probably. but make sure you follow procedure.

haha. fucking people.

a drug addict should be fired immediately. period. would you be asking this question if you had proof positive that he rapes women daily or steals cars every night or had just robbed a gas station? do you understand your own legal obligation to report illegal behavior your aware of ... or of your own potential liability and the liability your business faces if it can be proven you have been aware of this behavior and he does something wrong?

if you like him or care about him, offer to get him help...if he doesn't understand he needs help, then you can't force it on it. but any mature, reasonable adult person understands that you need to distance yourself from this person immediately and do whats right for your business/employees.

CaptainHowdy 12-30-2009 08:28 AM

I know people that drink as much as one glass of wine per week and they're more unreliable to work with than a drug user...

zurc-net 12-30-2009 08:31 AM

It could be good now, but it won't end good. Fire him.

czarina 12-30-2009 08:39 AM

the question is: DOES HE WANT TO BE CLEAN?

k0nr4d 12-30-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 16693094)
http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-conten...neals__opt.jpg

Having a junk in your team is not so great.

This guy looks like the meth took 20 years off his face. Good for him! heh

seven 12-30-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 16689973)
You can't help somebody that doesn't want to be helped.

That is sooo true!

We have a family member who's a meth addict. We wasted lots of money trying to clean her up.. she just keeps relapsing.

L-Pink 12-30-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 16694718)
This guy looks like the meth took 20 years off his face. Good for him! heh

Dude, that's a father/son photo .... Farrah Fawcett ex and son.


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beemk 12-30-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16694414)
wow you must not know any real drunks. AA is full of them, attend a meeting. If you think alcoholics do not steal to get drunk you are very naive regarding this topic. The streets are filled with homeless alcoholics who steal regularly.

you must not have paid attention in AA. i seem to remember you drinking all the time, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic.

Farang 12-31-2009 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16694561)
a drug addict should be fired immediately. period. would you be asking this question if you had proof positive that he rapes women daily or steals cars every night or had just robbed a gas station? do you understand your own legal obligation to report illegal behavior your aware of ... or of your own potential liability and the liability your business faces if it can be proven you have been aware of this behavior and he does something wrong?

comparing drug users with thiefs and rapists? :helpme

Raf1 12-31-2009 04:27 AM

I think you need to let him go

Agent 488 12-31-2009 04:36 AM

i think you have to have sex with him all night long ...

Fletch XXX 12-31-2009 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk (Post 16694768)
i seem to remember you drinking all the time

yep, 5 years sober which is what gives me the right to point the finger at how bad alcoholism can become. However, I am sober unlike most people in this thread LOL

Les Grossman 12-31-2009 05:17 AM

Resign...

halfpint 12-31-2009 05:19 AM

Offer them help and if he/she accepts it and they keep to it then its all good, if they refuse help then I would get rid of them

KILL_FRENZY 12-31-2009 05:27 AM

Alright so I've have been looking this shit up and found in no more than 5 seconds:

"
Many things can impact your business and some of those are negative. If you suspect an employee is using the devastating drug Methamphetamine, also known as Crank, Meth, Speed, Ice, Crystal, or Glass, here are some consequences or behaviors to watch for:

~ employee theft, fraud, embezzlement
~ on the job accidents
~ excessive sick leave
~ worker's compensation claims
~ poor performance, workmanship, or customer service
~ workplace aggression, violence
~ company liability

........

What to do about it: Every business should have an employee drug policy in place to cover liabilities and procedures regarding suspicions of drug use.

"
So basically they say you'd best get rid of him.

Tjeezers 12-31-2009 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 16694718)
This guy looks like the meth took 20 years off his face. Good for him! heh

I see, damn, i toke a picture from a Botox clinic i see.
Sorry for that.


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