Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16856383)

must of been interesting.

i must say, i can't ever tell where you are coming from. you say we should be using pure intelligence and sending in drones and that is exactly what we are doing.

but you then say you already knew that.

either way, just sayin. not a big deal, at least you are able to keep an adult convo going about subjects that we don't come from the same angle about.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16856226)

Let's go for a Reagan top 10...

1) AIDS is a gay plague
2) Inflation
3) Spent mad money on a Star Wars Defense Plan
4) Sold weapons to Saddam Hussein
5) Sold weapons to Afghan rebels, many who are Taliban and al-Qaeda.
6) Arms for hostages and sold weapons to Iran as well, and used the money to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua
7) El Salvador aid in murdering its people
8) His deregulation created the 1989 savings-and-loan scandal
9) Amnesty for illegals
10) Reaganomics / Trickle down economics

And as a bonus, he joked about starting WW3 and made America live in fear basically the entire time.

So many reasons why I love Reagan... gota give him love for basically creating the radical right base!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16855648)

For the record again, I use to be a republican, now I'm an independent that can't stand the lying going on in the WH

I loved Ronald Reagan, he didn't bow to the leader of China
I liked the times under Clinton After the GOP took over the house and the senate
I didn't like either Bush's, the second one should have left afghanistan after putting a big hole in the Taliban and should have never attacked Iraq, not our business
We should be using pure intelligence and sending in drones
The democrats have had control since 06 on the promise of change and what happened? the country went to shit and they can't agree on how to rip off the public
The GOP has no leadership and their best bet right now is Ex governor of Alaska that people that live in the city or back east just won't get and the liberal press attacks every little thing she does, yet her numbers keep climbing
I'm just pissed off at whats going on and judging by the numbers that Fox News is generating, most of the country feels the same way.

But to you it boils down to just the parties, well it doesn't, people look that I'm pissed at Obama and think I'm for everything that the GOP is feeding me, yes they have a better idea of what to do to overhaul health-care, like listen to the doctors( Gee That was hard!) and the core value of the GOP is smaller government and lower taxes, are you against that?
But the GOP has got to go back to it's core values to get me to vote that way and the dems just need a plan that makes sense

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16856409)

so let me get this straight, you blame Reagan for AIDS? Inflation was down from 12.5% in 1980 when he took over from Carter to 4.4% in 1988 when he left office, you seem to believe that Reagan was the only president that sold arms to other countries? Sorry, you're wrong on that account too.
Yes he gave amnesty to illegal aliens, but in the same bill made it illegal to hire illegal aliens, not really enforced and the Dem's are talking bout doing it again?
I'm happy with what the critics called Reaganomics, I benefited from it, I had a great paying job during the 80's building high rises.

You choice to look at only the negatives of the man that stopped the cold war, there by ending the USSR. The country was better off because of him.

Originally Posted by daddy big nuts (Post 16856523)

congrats...in a thread of ridiculous posts.....this one wins!

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16856500)

well, from what i know on the subject, the enemy has moved into major population zones, making the drone war most difficult now.

we've been drone bombing 2+ years, top cia analyst says the drone war is no longer effective and wasn't all that effective to begin with.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16856409)

so let me get this straight, you blame Reagan for AIDS? Inflation was down from 12.5% in 1980 when he took over from Carter to 4.4% in 1988 when he left office, you seem to believe that Reagan was the only president that sold arms to other countries? Sorry, you're wrong on that account too.
Yes he gave amnesty to illegal aliens, but in the same bill made it illegal to hire illegal aliens, not really enforced and the Dem's are talking bout doing it again?
I'm happy with what the critics called Reaganomics, I benefited from it, I had a great paying job during the 80's building high rises.

You choice to look at only the negatives of the man that stopped the cold war, there by ending the USSR. The country was better off because of him.

Originally Posted by Daddy Big Nuts (Post 16856523)

Congrats...in a thread of ridiculous posts.....this one wins!

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16856920)

Great... he won a war about nothing that he started, that is damn sure something to be proud of.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16856920)

Great... he won a war about nothing that he started, that is damn sure something to be proud of.

I guess the increases in gas and food during his entire time in office, repeated by families all over the country that lived during that time, really is a conspiracy against Reagan.

Once you give amnesty, they aren't illegal aliens, that's the really cool thing about amnesty. He makes all the illegals legal, so we have no illegals, then says hey you can't hire illegals... that sounds perfectly sane.

And "AIDS is a gay plague" that's a quote, or very close to it. He was all anti aids, ignored the issue, basically killed a lot of Americans because he was a brainwashed Christian.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16856976)

he didn't start the cold war, it had been going on for a while, they had these big things in the water called ICBM's that scared the hell out of people
Price of food and gas went down during his presidency, I don't know where you get your numbers, but they are wrong, and people were paying less taxes
The amnesty thing didn't work, funny how they are talking about trying it again
And I don't know how old you were, but when AIDS first came out, everyone thought is was a GAY thing because is was only gay people that were reportedly getting it and at first it scared the hell out of people. I wish I had stock in Trojan

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16857034)

I'm aware that the cold war was about communism - way before Reagan, but the way Reagan is talked about with the cold war and him ending it, like he actually was part of a war or something.... like he brought the country down.

It can only be laughed at...

Gas price wise, I don't really count the on-going massive drop coming into his presidency on the cost of gas, his doing.. but the increase is a different story - and it did go up.

He did lower taxes for the rich, and increased taxes for everyone else. Which was a good thing it helped the lower classes invest more, it just would have been nice if the rich did it too rather than been given the keys to moving off shore.

That and more... ended up driving up the cost of interest rates, homes, making it damn impossible to start a business.. all of which of course really means the lower classes made far less money, cost of living was higher, taxes increased in areas never before, he increased our national debt more than any president in history.

Amnesty is stupid... presidents should be skinned alive for it.

Oh I remember AIDS, I also know presidents shouldn't take bad information and repeat it to the public. It's what the last president did when he started an illegal war, but I guess that does relate to Reagan after all.

The man has a hell of a record... it gives Obama a real goal to shoot for.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16855888)

Do you typically go around calling 40 year old men little boys?

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16857801)

your idiocy knows no bounds.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 16856959)

This thread is absolutely funny and makes as much sense as arguing over the deckchairs on the titanic. It's simple, we Americans bought into the hope and change shit so we are going to have to ride it out. The democratic congress has been useless for 5 years now and the last president put us in a hole. The new president already dropped the ball because health care should have been a second term fight and he should have made a relentless quest to fix the economy and chase down every banker and hung them out to try to get more public support. All we're seeing now are politicians proving to us they have no problem leading this country into the shitter so they can sustain any form of power.

In past cultures this was a clear sign to have a revolution because now, our country is so divided it will never be one again and this thread proves it.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16857801)

your idiocy knows no bounds.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16847230)

I mean, us, as in us people, not us as in the US govt

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16854258)

having not lived thru it, he's most likely sucking at the teat of liberal revisionist history websites. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16857985)

I know you guys hate it when someone points out the bad about your favorite president.. but it isn't really a secret though that he was a bad president. Only one group of people think other wise, which is the radical right base that he help create, and of course you're going to twist the view to fit your personal feelings.

It's you idiots putting him up on platform pretending that he was something other than another shit president, only the right align with this ideas and most can't even get what he actually did correct.

I'm shocked that you guys even attempt to align with him to be honest, it truly shows how much of a sheep you are, just following along with the group.... feel happy knowing that you simply agree with others.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16857034)

I'm aware that the cold war was about communism - way before Reagan, but the way Reagan is talked about with the cold war and him ending it, like he actually was part of a war or something.... like he brought the country down.

It can only be laughed at...

Gas price wise, I don't really count the on-going massive drop coming into his presidency on the cost of gas, his doing.. but the increase is a different story - and it did go up.

He did lower taxes for the rich, and increased taxes for everyone else. Which was a good thing it helped the lower classes invest more, it just would have been nice if the rich did it too rather than been given the keys to moving off shore.

That and more... ended up driving up the cost of interest rates, homes, making it damn impossible to start a business.. all of which of course really means the lower classes made far less money, cost of living was higher, taxes increased in areas never before, he increased our national debt more than any president in history.

Amnesty is stupid... presidents should be skinned alive for it.

Oh I remember AIDS, I also know presidents shouldn't take bad information and repeat it to the public. It's what the last president did when he started an illegal war, but I guess that does relate to Reagan after all.

The man has a hell of a record... it gives Obama a real goal to shoot for.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16858076)

I saw a blank bump.... does that mean "The Demon" is in here calling people out when he owes someone $100 and hasn't paid up after several requests?

Na... couldn't be.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16858329)

Reagan is credited with the end of the cold war, period, not going to debate with a tree stump

Yes he lowered taxes for the rich and for the middle class, I know, my paycheck was effected ( My paycheck got bigger ), he didn't lower it for the poor you FUCKING MORON, they don't pay taxes!

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16857985)

I know you guys hate it when someone points out the bad about your favorite president.. but it isn't really a secret though that he was a bad president. Only one group of people think other wise, which is the radical right base that he help create, and of course you're going to twist the view to fit your personal feelings.

It's you idiots putting him up on platform pretending that he was something other than another shit president, only the right align with this ideas and most can't even get what he actually did correct.

I'm shocked that you guys even attempt to align with him to be honest, it truly shows how much of a sheep you are, just following along with the group.... feel happy knowing that you simply agree with others.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16860801)

ahahahah, yeah son, thats it

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16858076)

I saw a blank bump.... does that mean "The Demon" is in here with his thumb up ass ass when he owes someone $100 and hasn't paid up after several requests?

Na... couldn't be.