I've yet to see a single person respond to the morons who insult me. Why is it that you losers are the dumbest people on a porn forum ROFL:)

Btw, who said I was anti porn? Also, what's a bibble? DirectFiesta, ladies and gentlemen. The epitome of retardation:)


Also:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...37-503544.html
Thought this was funny and pretty much what you would expect.

Rich people and poor people have one very big thing in common...they're human beings. To say that all rich people are rich because of hard work and all poor people are lazy scum and are victims of their own circumstance is about as ignorant a thing as one could say on the subject.

If you don't think the wealthy cheat to become and stay wealthy then you've been sleepwalking through the last two years. Bailouts anyone? Do we need to trace that sordid affair again?


So it's okay to claim our country is distinct from all the others and that's why we do things differently but when it comes to letting the plutocrats run the show at our expense it's okay since every country is run that way? Hypocrisy anyone?

If you want to wave a flag about this being a great country and a free country how about starting by breaking this nasty habit we picked up from our European ancestors.


The government has not been truly hands off since before WWII. After that little fiasco we call the Great Depression they stepped in and put all kinds of regulation in place and guess what, the US enjoyed the best decades in the history of Western Civilization in terms of increases in standards of living. People got educated, infrastructure and manufacturing skyrocketed, you yourself said that the 1950's were a great time. In many ways they were...if you're willing to overlook that entire segments of the population didn't really count.

The economy has been on course to derail since the 1980's when we started deregulating everything and the greed factor took over and eventually crashed the system and the same people who deregulated our economy then looted it for billions (and counting) and people have the GALL to pick on poor people for being lazy???

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You like to say "you don't know anything about economics"...A LOT. You usually follow it up with colorful pejoratives which I can't help but interpret as a limited vocabulary or a shortcoming of acumen on the subject.

The game is most certainly fixed. The economics work however they set up the rules to reward people. If hard work was all you needed to get ahead there would be a lot of people getting ahead. The shortage in this country isn't wealth, or hard work, it's a fair shot. If you don't see where banks and the plutocrats have been feasting on what people don't know or taking advantage of their circumstances than you're naive. You've purchased a great big lie.

Milestones in US Anti Trust History

1890: Sherman Anti Trust Act
1902 Northern Securities case
1911: Standard Oil case
1914: Federal Trade Commission set up
1934: Securities and Exchange Commission set up
1969-1982: IBM case
1974-1984: AT&T case
1998- : Microsoft:

Practices banned by US anti trust law

Monopolies "in restraint of trade"
"Predatory pricing" at below cost to drive out competitors
"Price-fixing", an agreement among several competitors to fix prices or restrict output
"illegal business practices" including restriction on opening hours, resale price maintenance, and tie-in sales

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i hate the socialism here - cheap food and drinks, affordable rent, affordable healthcare, tolerable taxes and hot chicks. man this place really sucks. :glugglug

What's the job market like?

lol.... probably due to the air .... Am in Florida now ...lol...

After all, you did some typos yesterday and blasted the poster that pointed them out to you ...

Am very sad that healthcare bill passed ....

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do any of you know where non insured people go now for healthcare?

the ER...

do you know how much it cost in relation to going to a family doc?

about 10 x the amount..


i am for everyone having access to healthcare at a price they can afford even if that means free for some..

and if i have to pick up a little slack in the way of taxes, i dont mind..

what i do mind, is the waste, fraud, and general corruption of all govt.

there are a couple states that run successful medicaid systems and have eliminated a lot of the fraud..

if one can do it, then the rest can too...

people need to wake up and understand that the whole system is broken, not just one wheel..

stop bitching about it on an adult forum and do something to change the system.. :2 cents:
















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Americans use Socialism like a cuss word. Nothing wrong with socialism. It works well.

obviously, the hospital just writes that off as a loss, duh.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rCZRqH7sRyA

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if you wanna stick with sub-standard treatments, so be it ... US health care sucks balls and the world knows ... but some "patriots" still think its ok to stick with a "who cares about a baby if it has no health insurance" policy ... ANY western nation has a BETTER health care sys than the US ... punctum, fact and basta :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh you are shitting me right?


you do know the difference between a public and private hospital right?

if not, the private hospital is the one that tells the uninsured to kick rocks...

the public hospital treats everyone...

btw, about 1/3 treated in public hospital dont pay their bills...





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+1 for unsupported assumptions :)

Except this was never stated by me, anywhere. Strawman #1

I never stated that the wealthy don't cheat, you're using it to speak for all rich people. Strawman #2


I never stated anything was ok, I stated that there is no difference between our alleged "plutocracy" and everybody else's. Are you even reading what you're responding to? Strawman #3.

Have no idea what this is other than an emotional outburst.


The reason why the depression lasted 15 something years was because of government interference. We had deregulation post WWII and were on the gold standard, that is why we experienced a boom unlike any in history.

Actually, 50's. And the economy has been on course for derail ever since we went off the gold standard for good in 1971, and started spending beyond our means, followed by massive outsourcing and deficit spending. More government=less economic prosperity. That's how it's worked in America throughout history.

Illogical emotional outburst #2

Which basically proves my point when you have to throw back a ridiculous insult. I'm glad you looked up "pejoratives" in the dictionary lol.

I'm glad you have proof of this, other than your emotional rants. Too easy

thank you for catching my pun.

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You just don't get it
 

Speaking of only public hospitals:

The way the old system use to work. A person winds up in the ER, and he spends 5 days there, he is looking at a bill around 40,000 dollars. If he doesn't have insurance, you know who pays for him? You know what this guy does? Luckily the hospital is happy to tell him what he has to do to pay them back, and they have people there who specialize in getting you to the right place to help pay for this 40,000 dollar bill. In no time, the government is paying this 40,000 dollar bill. And who gives the government the money to pay this bill, you do. So now you are sitting here on a thread trying to justify that now you know it is getting taken out of your pocket, when it was being taken out of your pocket all along. Wait until you find out, that you paid twice as much as you should have on your taxes, you might end up learning about that 5 years from now.

:thumbsup that about sums it up....

i think that scene represents what about 98% of americans think....








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I agree but do you know why you get all of this paperwork... compliance and regulations.

See we do agree on some things! :thumbsup

This is where I have to tell you to go blow goats. I'm used to the typical whines, but I really do get sick of people who equate lack of wealth with "laziness". It make me think the person saying it was born with a silver spoon in their mouth with mommy and daddy paying for everything to put them where they are now. They are typically the ones that don't understand how hard it can be to pull your self up from the bottom of the food chain.

People that worked and busted their ass to be well off would never just "assume" that anyone else that can't do the same is lazy.. The reason is because they know how hard it was and how lucky they got, to get where they are.

HAHAHAHA as opposed to equating the rich with "greedy and corrupt"? Great going, hypocrite.

Personal responsibility makes more sense than blaming everything on socioeconomic status.

ill pay 10% more, give me the 250k year.. fuck i work harder than Will does, if he is in that bracket, this world needs some more earthquakes to straighten things out.. working by the week fucking sucks and nothing you can do about it.. but listen to these idiots and how propaganda has fucked their cheesy infested brains lol..

Here's what you said: If you're saying that the idea that the rich cheat to become rich is a myth, and you said it, then you've said that the rich don't cheat.

Reasonable people call your flat denial of that a lie, or hypocrisy. Take your pick.

you said this:
If America is different because our values are so distinct and that justifies why we run our health care system in such stark contrast to the other Western industrialized nations then it follows logic that our values would also dictate a difference in who rules and how. If our Plutocracy is no different than anyone else's than neither are our values. You can't have it both ways.

More hypocrisy.


Not an emotional outburst. Just pointing out your hypocrisy and challenging you to do better.


The reason the depression happened at all was due to a lack of reasonable regulations. People were trading on margins and the banks weren't regulated to protect their deposits so that they could take enormous risks with money they didn't actually have. I'm not advocating over-regulation and wouldn't go as far as the Democrats would, but it's painfully obvious that the participants of the system such as banks and other financial entities are incapable of regulating themselves or behaving in a way that will benefit anyone but themselves. Some regulation is necessary and that regulation should be written and enforced by people NOT associated with these institutions in any way at all.


Not enough government = financial meltdown


Neither illogical nor emotional. Rational and metered response to your complete lack of shame in being able to criticize people who abuse the system at one end but can't be honest about the abusers at the other.


Not an insult, only an observation. Perhaps you should look up the difference. BTW-I didn't need to look up pejoratives. Keep the vituperative tone up though, it's nice that you can amuse yourself so cheaply.


Amazing comment coming from someone who claims to be a fan of Ron Paul and Peter Schiff. Perhaps instead of just saying you're a fan you should really dig into what they're saying instead of reading the cliffs notes. They've both pointed out the flaws in the system and how it's geared to keep the plutocracy in power...especially Ron Paul. You can also read Stiglitz and Krugman.

In all your postings and rants I see lots of opinions, anecdotes, ad hominem attacks, hypocrisy, petty name calling and an adolescent attitude which deflects any serious challenge with "that's a straw man" or "no it isn't" or "you clearly don't know much about (fill in the blank)" but I see no facts whatsoever. It's almost as if you watch or scan some sources with conservative POVs but don't actually do any research on your own.

Dropping names of politicians, economists and the Peter Schiffs of the world doesn't amount to much if you don't listen to or understand what they're saying. I don't see the ability to think critically in your posts. You're clinging to ideology without giving any room for the possibility that you or your POV could be flawed in any way.

:winkwink: I feel better now I went and beat up a couple crack heads and got my tax money back from them :)

Amen to you brother... And if we keep letting these capitaiist pigs continue to spew their propaganda bullshit they will win.. It's simple to all those who dont know where to stand how to see it.. .Look at who is the ones whining, the ones WITH EVERYTHING, who hardly work and got lucky.. Please point me to one person who works 60 hours a week 6 days a week forever who supports this and I will join your EXPLOITING side.

WILL NEVER HAPPEN. LITTLE WHINY RICH BITCHES who seriously are not losing anything.. Have much to gain as everyone else.. getting brain washed by the industry that just reaks in billion after billion on this gravy train system in place today.

Cant even go to a doctor anymore, withoout seeing the fucking blood and $ in his eyes.. The fuckers can care less if they cure me, he is so worried about money and the lack of it, cuz noone goes see him anymore, that his entire plan is how he can get 5 extra office visits on me which are $125 for 2 minute visits..

He gives me 3 days of antibiotics and says come back in a week (hahah) i see him giving therapy to cured people who have insuraunce, saying... oh can you please come back one more time

The whole system is fucked, about to be repaired and these moron rich bitches who dont have a bit of common sense are helping them keep their corrupted system in tact..

Getting to the point its time to leeave this country.. there is nothing here of value any more... If health care faills.... the dream is gone.. no sense to come to america.. then watch what happens to your $250k year income.. just watch

Read it again.
See the bolded part? I have NO idea how you got "the rich don't cheat."



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This is blatant misdirection, as you originally initiated by discussion about plutocracies. Really good try at misdirection, you lose.

There's been no hypocrisy on my part, just poor reading comprehension and various strawmen on yours, as well as blatant misdirection.

No, the reason for the depression was monetary and fiscal mismanagement, as well as a lack of responsibility by people. The last thing Americans want is the government regulating our bank system, that would be disastrious. Once again, the only difference between private sector and public sector is that the public sector/government has a printing press. Some regulation is fine, but SOME.




Except the past 100 years disagree with your assessment.

Another strawman and continued emotional outburst. Either present a rational argument, or concede.

You're amusing me more than I could amuse myself.




So what you're saying is, you have no idea what you're talking about and now are just trying to sound intelligent? Everything I have said has been 100% in congruence with the studies of Austrian economics, as well as Schiff and Paul, while you've been advocating the opposite, especially by introducing Krugman, who is by far the dumbest economist I can think of not named Bernanke.
So basically, you have nothing legitimate to add so you make up a bunch of unsubstantiated bullshit regarding my posts, and leave it at that? Hilarious.

Seeing as how you've shown no ability to argue with me on any level, I think you should just sit down.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noe...out-our-govern


If they spent a little more time cleaning up the fraud with medicare (instead of budgeting for it) then they wouldn't have to tax us (errr the people who make over 250K) more money to pay for the people who don't have health care (and who honestly deserve help to pay for it). All of that fraud money could have gone to good use instead to thieves. :upsidedow

It's just easier to tax the people who make more than 250K than it is to fix the problem. There is a lot less people making over 250K than there are people making under 250K so they don't care if they piss off (abuse) a small part of the population, those loss of votes wont hurt them. As far as the democrats are concerned they know they weren't likely to get many of those votes anyway. :upsidedow

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will i think you paint too broad a brush. there are people who abuse the safety net. to state that its "most people" who are "lazy" & "do drugs" & "have kids they cant afford" is absurd, & sounds more like the emotional sentiment Demon's always bitching about from the left. Back up these sentiments with some numbers to show "most" people in the safety net are freeloaders.
Although i am generally sympathetic to the principle that the successfull should not be robbed by the tax man to subsidize freeloaders, i'm not persuaded that "most" recipients are undeserving. People work hard at self employment, but their idea doesnt make it. People work their whole adult lives at a company & are laid off. Great workers lose their jobs to a decision made on wall street to relocate a plant to china.
COBRA has alleviated the loss of health care when good people lose their jobs. But costs have exploded so high that reasonable people can't afford the prices insurance companies charge in the individual markets. & if your sick, you won't even get insurance. your just expected to shell out 10s of thousands out of pocket to stay alive. Not to mention you may pay all your insurance bills, & the insurance company will make a loophole to deny you a claim.
our darwinian capitalist system works fine when you have a job & when you are healthy. For the sick & unemployed, it is nothing but a death panel.

Demon, you really don't debate, you sling insults and attacks. You don't use facts, you use opinions. You can't even acknowledge your own bullshit.

You're right, I can't argue with you on your level, I can't possibly reach that low without hurting myself.

You really should just sit down now, and then please shut up. You have nothing productive to add anywhere that I can see. You're a gadfly.

I've destroyed every aspect of your "argument" and watched you squirm out of it by using the typical "no you're stupid". Thanks for playing, move along. I've used nothing but facts and watch you bullshit your way out when I called you out. You don't even know what policies Schiff and Paul follow while posting your nonsense. Thanks for making a fool out of yourself:) :thumbsup
https://youtube.com/user/schiffre.../1/11WlFlO_mDg
https://youtube.com/user/schiffre.../0/xxDwnRGruPs

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...ower-Tax-Rates


President Kennedy proposed across-the-board tax rate reductions that reduced the top tax rate from more than 90 percent down to 70 percent. What happened? Tax revenues climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of 62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation).

According to President John F. Kennedy:

Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits? In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now

I agree there are people in the top that did illegal acts to get there. While I don't agree it's all of them or even a large percentage, I think anyone would be an idiot to not realize that some people did illegal acts to get where they are today. Hell our politicans, as a group, probably fit that category better than any one else.

Those people who did illegal acts should be pointed out and convicted, and hung. I have no more compasion for a person who deals drugs and collects wellfare (and soon to be free health care) than I do a corporate person who did something illegal to get wealthy.

However that may be, disportionitly taxing the hell out of the people who make the most money is not a justified punishment. For one thing if someone "stole" 10 million dollars and had to give 5 million of it up for taxes, is that really punishing them? no. They still +5 million to the good. Now what about all of the other people who actually earned their money legally? They would be the ones suffering for it.

Here is a copy of the US income tax rates for last year:

http://www.bargaineering.com/images/...x-brackets.gif

There is a lot of professionals who make more than $208K or $372K who are getting taxed to hell in the higher brackets. Not to mention business owners, small med and large who make that much or more. The majority of these people worked hard and earned the money legitimately. The rest either came into wealth from an inheritance, won it (lotto) or received it from a lawsuit. Regardless if they worked hard for it or not, they obtained the money legally. In the cases of inheritance chances are the govt took a huge chunk of it, which is another rant for another thread. The taxed money that had already paid taxes on.

If you (a family) make 250K a year, I wouldn't consider you rich, maybe upper middle class. After you pay taxes to social security, medicare, medicade, now more money to cover more people for health care, and then you pay income tax, you don't have a ton of money left over. Then factor in all other living expenses, even more if you have kids, you may live well but you are not rich. Never mind all the other taxes you get hit with:

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


I think it is terrible that a lot of people have the mentality, well the rich make a lot of money let's let them pay for it.

Just from income tax, here is how it brakes down right now: (my math should be close)

Person making 30K a year pays: $3,600.00 average of 12% of their income goes to income tax.
Person making 250K a year pays: $60,256.00 average of 24% of their income goes to income tax.

If it was fair and everyone paid say 20% the person making 30K would pay 6K and the person making 250K would pay 50K. By nature of making more money, the person making 250K would still pay over 8x more in taxes than the person who made 30K. You think that would be enough... nope. Both people use the roads, school, police department, etc.. the same amount. One person is contributing a lot more to society. He is successful therefore he pays more, but at least it is fair because everyone is taxed equally. Why should the person who makes 250K have to give up 24% of his income to pay taxes when the person making 30K only gives up 12% of his income? And this is just for income. You throw in taxes like this new health care bill, only people making more than 250K will pay for it...

That is the problem with this country. Tax the rich, make them pay for it should be our motto. A lot of people really think it is fair to keep making the rich pay for these things instead of everyone paying for it. There is no valid justification for that. That is just a bandade to the real problems. Instead of holding people accountable and stop giving out hand outs to people who don't deserve or need it, we just robin hood them. Keep throwing money at them, instead of making them responsible and forcing them to contribute to our society instead of bringing it down. The more we tax the rich to throw money at the irresponsible poor and hand feeding them, we are just teaching entire generations of people to be unproductive. They teach their kids to be loosers, they still stay poor and ignorant and the more money taken from the people at the top, especially business owners, the less jobs they can offer and less productivity they can provide to society.

Many of these people will live generation after generation on wellfare or in the projects. For those of your liberal heart bleeders, you are really not helping that person by throwing money at them. You would really be helping them if you made them take responsibilty for their actions, that is the only way these people will ever amount to anything. Taking money from the rich to throw at them because you feel bad is not fixing the problem. Or throwing more money at them so they can go buy more drugs, alcohol, gamble, keep having kids they can't afford, etc...

The problem isn't just with the people on the bottom that is not responsible, but with our own goverment who just prints more money to pay for everything. What kind of message does that send, you can't balance a budget are trillions in debt and you just print more money. Or the bail outs and ceo's who make millions and/or got bonuses for running corporations in the ground and costing us all lots of tax money. I don't like seeing my tax money wasted on anything.

Bottom line is if we don't hold people responsible for their actions then this country is just going to keep getting worst and worst till we become 3rd world country. People need to take personal responsibilty and how is that ever going to happen if we keep letting them off the hook. We keep rewarding them everytime they fuck up and tell them it's ok keep fucking up we can get a lot more tax money (from the rich) to help you.

(note, this is for people who abuse the system, not the people who actually try and need help. If there was less people abusing the system, there would be more money to go to the people who were trying and actually needed it.)

still looking for a day job?

The upper middle class/wealthy are doing better than ever tax wise and otherwise...and a few additional percentage points will not hurt them. To the best of my knowledge income tax has always been a progressive tax and I personally think that is a good thing. I have never resented paying taxes.

Noooo, but now it's only going to be coming out of the pocket of the people who make 250K a year or more. The other 99% are off the hook, the burden to pay for all the irresponsible people has been shifted to the top 1%. Problem fixed right? lol not.

In theory the whole " now people wont use the ER" sounds good but it isn't going to work that way. This will just result in more abuse and more fraud like medicade and instead of fixing the problem they will keep collecting more and more in taxes to throw at it.