But, you did read the part that this was in a dense, wooded area - and the guy was hiding UNDER a fallen tree - covered in brush... right? He stuck his hand and gun out from the brush. So you have a 6" (or let's be generous) - 12" target of a hand/gun coming out of some brush - and a 1 second pull (again being generous) of an automatic weapon - and you feel that a 42% hit rate - in this scenario - is bad??

These guys weren't out on a range for target practice.

I don't see a 1 second pull (hell even 2 second) as excessive. It was not ONE guy firing 110 rounds. It was nine SWAT members popping the trigger of an MP5 for a 1 second burst (or less).

I guess it's an agree to disagree situation...

You first mistake was faking your own death then sticking around here for years to follow. Beyond that, the rest of "my" experiences are none of your concern.

I am not concerned about your "experiences" fat boy...and BTW you are ignorant of facts. You are now dismissed.

So...In this "dense wooded area"....The visibility must have been poor. No? Yet 9 different people were able to see a target the size of a hand? And you think that this 6-12" area is what they were aiming for? Then why is he dead? A "dense wooded area" puts them very close to the target yet they still missed 38%.

All that aside I'm going to go out on a limb and make an assumption here....

Since I am familiar with the MP5 and their variations as well as tac teams....I'd suggest that MOST tac teams use a variant with a fire control group that includes a 2 or 3 round burst. In a "dense wooded area", and considering officer safety, full auto would not necessarily be the way to go....Unless you were exercising poor judgment and lack of control.

I've hunted in "dense wooded areas" and never wished I had anything more than a semi-auto and I hunt things that can hide better and run faster than humans.

Ignorant of facts huh?

Here's a fact:

YOU ARE A FRAUD.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it you faggot ass punk. :321GFY

Dismissed you say. LOL says I. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No - that's my point. I would think that when they saw the hand they would try to aim for body mass - based on the hand they were seeing. The guy being on his side, flat - which way he was laying (head/toe) would all come in to play and explain the misses. I'm sure some folks where shooting what what they thought was center mass, but hitting toes - or head - or nothing - because all they saw was a hand poke up through the scrub.


That's a fair assumption, but I can tell you that Pinellas County SWAT (2 counties west) runs their MP5s full auto - and - they said that Polk County SWAT does as well. This was straight from talking with PCSO SWAT team members discussing this very case roughly 8 months ago. (Followed by a quick demo of their MP5 at the PCSO range [not me shooting unfortunately - them lol]).

Basically, it's one of those cases that they're asked about all the time.


But come on, if it was a human - waiting to ambush you (and had just assaulted your family), you wouldn't go full auto?? :)

I just go back to the math - a quick pop of the trigger spits out 8 - 10 rounds * 9 shooters. It SOUNDS excessive to say a man was shot 68 times, but it is really only a 1 - 2 second pull of the trigger. The entire incident probably lasted 5 - 10 seconds or less.

As a point of interest, here's the scrub where they were searching for him. :)

Good thing it wasn't a random homeless person.



I'll give you most of that.

However...Since you are going back to the math, I might as well go back to the Sheriff and this quote: "That's all the bullets we had."

Are those the words that a responsible publicly elected official would use when responding to such a situation? Obviously he was being a smart ass which again shows that the Polk County Sheriffs Department exercises poor judgment and lack of control. It starts with the Sheriff himself and goes to his officers from there.

Just to be clear...

I know a lot of people who use the word "hate" when describing how they feel about Police. Personally, I have no beef with most of them and I associate with officers on a fairly regular basis. In fact, about three weeks ago I had a nice face to face discussion on current gun laws with a man who is running for Sheriff.

That being said...If they were perfect then there would never be a need for I.A.D.

And ran out of bullets? Hm.. doesn't sound right.

That avatar of yours makes me want to fucking puke :throwup:throwup

FL LE are limited to 3 round mags. :winkwink:

I fucked Judd's wife and now he's being a total asshole.

Sorry, guys!

You are really quite emotional...now aren't you...fat boy? The question is rhetorical as it is obvious that you are quite emotional. Dismissed.

Emotional? No, not really. Just telling it like it is...and it's obvious that you are a fraud.

I thought you already dismissed me?

Perhaps you forgot in your old age. :1orglaugh