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The Demon 04-07-2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17013418)
People stand up for their beliefs and the left will brand them, thats what they did to Palin and thats what they are doing to tea party. The true cowards are the ones that attack those that are standing up for their rights.

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

roly 04-07-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17013425)
People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

Vendzilla 04-07-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 17013447)
If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

Do you have any idea what a communist is?

Short bus is honking it's horn, you better get moving

The Demon 04-07-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 17013447)
If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

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People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense
See how easy that was?

J. Falcon 04-07-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17013425)
People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

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EZRhino 04-07-2010 11:44 AM

Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

Tom_PM 04-07-2010 11:44 AM

What belief is the tea party standing up for? The belief that they dont like Obama.

The Demon 04-07-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17013670)
Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

This is fact.

fl_prn_str 04-07-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17013219)
Any reasonble person knows that Obama / Biden == Osama Bin Laden.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Page...bama-biden.jpg

:batman

what you forgot Hussein...:helpme

fl_prn_str 04-07-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17013418)
People stand up for their beliefs and the left will brand them, thats what they did to Palin and thats what they are doing to tea party. The true cowards are the ones that attack those that are standing up for their rights.

who took your rights.....???

cwd 04-07-2010 12:36 PM

the left this...the right that....

and people still wonder why nothing gets done in the US?

BestXXXPorn 04-07-2010 12:41 PM

Destroy the two party system...

Vendzilla 04-07-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17013672)
What belief is the tea party standing up for? The belief that they dont like Obama.

My point exactly, you listen to the media bashing the party and that becomes the only thing you know, mindless and happy!

Vendzilla 04-07-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cwd (Post 17013858)
the left this...the right that....

and people still wonder why nothing gets done in the US?

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17013887)
Destroy the two party system...

EXACTLY, thats whats getting everyone pissed off, thats why the tea party is getting bigger, everyone knows this aint working, ok, almost anyone

D Ghost 04-07-2010 12:52 PM

oooh snap

SEO Expert 04-07-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17013670)
Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

Sounds like the officer is not sure if Obama is a legitimate president and wants proof.

brassmonkey 04-07-2010 01:07 PM

free tibet!!

theking 04-07-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis (Post 17012559)
Officer questioning eligibility faces new threats from Army
'You could be sentenced to dismissal, confinement'
Posted: April 05, 2010
9:00 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
? 2010 WorldNetDaily


Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama's eligibility.

The Army is threatening to dismiss and jail an active-duty lieutenant colonel who says he won't obey military orders until he knows that President Obama is in the Oval Office as a constitutionally eligible president, according to his supporters.

A statement given to WND today by Margaret Hemenway, who is acting as a spokeswoman for the case involving the American Patriot Foundation and Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, said Lakin is "undaunted" and has not changed his position.

Lakin announced his position with a video stating he would not follow orders because he was not sure of their legality under Obama, who has concealed personal information that could confirm he meets the constitutional requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

WND reported earlier when the Army "unofficially" recommended a medical evaluation, which Lakin refused.

Now, the Army has issued a "counseling form" warning Lakin his deployment orders are valid. The document has been posted on the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which is assembling support for the officer.

"On 30 March 2010, this command became aware of your intentions to refuse to follow deployment orders. Your stated reason for refusal was your belief that the election of the President of the United States is invalid because you believe he is not 'native born' [sic]. This counseling is to inform you that your deployment orders are presumed to be valid and lawful orders issued by competent military authority," said the document from the "counselor," Lt. Col. William D. Judd.

The letter reminded Lakin of his April 12 due date at Fort Campbell, Ky.

"Failure to follow your reassignment and/or deployment orders may result in adverse action including court-martial," the officer was warned.

The document cited articles 86, 87 and 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: being missing, disobeying an order and contempt).

"If found guilty … you could be sentenced to dismissal from the service … forefeiture of all pay and allowances; and confinement for a period of months or years in a military prison," the warning stated.

...
WND has reported that the controversy raises the prospect that the government ultimately may not want to pursue a prosecution because a defense attorney could demand in court proof that the orders are issued by an eligible president.

Even participants in a forum on the left-leaning Huffington Post website seemed to agree in part.

"Freakin' Brilliant!" said one. "They can't court-martial him [without] the defense getting the judge to order the the (sic) birth-certificate be produced! Either Obama will have to produce or they can't prosecute. Genius." ....

...the case of (Major Stefan) Cook, the reservist who challenged his deployment orders over questions about their legality under Obama.

"Rather than contesting the suit," Day wrote, "the Army took the highly peculiar step of revoking the major's deployment order, suggesting that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander in chief.

"The Pentagon's decision to back down rather than risk exposing Obama's birth records to the public means that every single American soldier, sailor, pilot and Marine now holds a 'get out of war free' card. Not only every deployment order, but every order issued from an officer in the line of command can now be challenged in the knowledge that the top brass are afraid to respond for fear that their commander could be exposed for a fraud," he wrote at the time. ...

...Obama's actual response to those who question his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement that the U.S. president be a "natural born citizen" has been to dispatch both private and tax-funded attorneys to prevent anyone from gaining access to his documentation....

The man does not have a leg to stand on and he is aware of that...he has his own agenda.

Tom_PM 04-07-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17013906)
My point exactly, you listen to the media bashing the party and that becomes the only thing you know, mindless and happy!

No, thats silly. And if you've paid attention, you know that I watch fox, msnbc, cnn, and my local junky cable news channel, because I've mentioned that a bunch of times.

Please tell me what the tea parties beliefs are if they're not simply "no obama".

Joshua G 04-07-2010 01:19 PM

a fresh example how far down the right wing is sinking. A republican soldier refusing orders is disgraceful. That type of shit i would expect from a democrat, not a republican.

uno 04-07-2010 01:21 PM

worldnetdaily, lol.

mayabong 04-07-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17013425)
People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

I think its funny that you don't see the left and right being controlled by the same people. How is obama any different than bush?

dig420 04-07-2010 01:34 PM

sounds like treason to me. What a 'patriot'.

mayabong 04-07-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17014031)
a fresh example how far down the right wing is sinking. A republican soldier refusing orders is disgraceful. That type of shit i would expect from a democrat, not a republican.

Lol whats your definition of a republican (waits for you to look it up on wikipedia)??? People are so duped by the 2 party system its sad. Divide and Conquer.

http://obamanati.info/images/icke/obama19.jpg

The Demon 04-07-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17014156)
Lol whats your definition of a republican (waits for you to look it up on wikipedia)??? People are so duped by the 2 party system its sad. Divide and Conquer.

http://obamanati.info/images/icke/obama19.jpg

Ah yes, and it's mayabong who is the enlightened and informed one. The Jews/Bilderberg/Illuminati run the world! 9/11 was an inside Job!! Obama is an alien! Please lay off the pipe.

sperbonzo 04-07-2010 01:54 PM

I'm by no means a birther.... But I am confused as to why Obama has spent 2 million dollars of taxpayer money on lawyers to block the release of so many of his records....


You've gotta admit it's a bit weird.


.

Vendzilla 04-07-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17013992)
No, thats silly. And if you've paid attention, you know that I watch fox, msnbc, cnn, and my local junky cable news channel, because I've mentioned that a bunch of times.

Please tell me what the tea parties beliefs are if they're not simply "no obama".

Fiscal Conservatism
The Tea Party Movement supports constitutionally limited government generally and more specifically is anti-stimulus, anti-deficit, anti-bailout and anti-health reform

But if you have ever watched Fox, then you would know that


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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17014207)
I'm by no means a birther.... But I am confused as to why Obama has spent 2 million dollars of taxpayer money on lawyers to block the release of so many of his records....


You've gotta admit it's a bit weird.


.

Every president does this, all records of the president are made Top Secret

mayabong 04-07-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17014174)
Ah yes, and it's mayabong who is the enlightened and informed one. The Jews/Bilderberg/Illuminati run the world! 9/11 was an inside Job!! Obama is an alien! Please lay off the pipe.

You're right demon. The dual israeli citizens that have been at the top levels of our government over the years, have always had america's best interests in mind. I'm glad Mr. Murdoch has won an ADL award he is a master of brainwashing the masses. "Wait I dont agree with what becks saying".. "wait he's holding up a constitution".. "ok now it makes sense". "wait he's for the patriot act.. I don't agree" .. "oh he's holding up a constitution, now he makes so much sense give up my liberties ok" "oh i love it when he quotes thomas jefferson, yes banker bailouts are good" .. haha typical fox watcher.

Why didn't they constantly knock ron pauls campaign if they are really into that stuff..

P.S. I'm not for any of the other news stations either.. they all are for the same agenda.

As far as the birther thing, I never really looked into it. Either way obama can probably make a real looking one in photoshop.

EZRhino 04-07-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SEO Expert (Post 17013970)
Sounds like the officer is not sure if Obama is a legitimate president and wants proof.

Legit request for any civilian or political leadership. But it's a slippery slope for any officer or enlisted man to use whatever they feel is questionable election, like the 2000 election. The only time a officer or enlisted man can question his or her leadership is when moral issues, of things like life and death, are in question. That's still a tough call since many in ranks don't know all the details of their orders and the greater good. If I am a rifleman being order to cut down a bunch of kids, sure its my obligation to say no. If I am a Fire control officer and I am about lob a 1000lb missile into a defenseless village, I have to question it. But really, a surgeon doesn't have much leg to stand on. At the end of the day he won't be convicted of disobeying the President but his CO. Who is, without a doubt, legit.

BTW, did anyone noticed that this story broke on April First.

fl_prn_str 04-07-2010 02:43 PM

Marion S. Barry, Jr. for President 2012!

JP513 04-07-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17012880)
I hate Obama just as much as any rational person does. But seriously, still bitching about his birth? Obama's birth place should be the least of Americans' concerns at this point. Who cares where someone is from if that someone is busy fucking up your economy?

Hating Obama isn't rational. Not supporting him is.:2 cents: Otherwise, agreed--still bitching about his birth? It's not important. And other presidents have had their "natural born status" questioned. It's mostly racism.

mayabong 04-07-2010 03:10 PM

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/obey_dees.jpg

BFT3K 04-07-2010 03:14 PM

Obama's second term is a lock. You guys may want to hold back some of your hate for the future. No sense blowing it all in only the 2nd of his 8 year term... you may run out of stupidity.

USS Clownpenis 04-07-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17013982)
The man does not have a leg to stand on and he is aware of that...he has his own agenda.

That is his risk in the matter.

What do you think all those UCMJ articles are that were cited in the text, moron?

But if the Army goes forward with it, then they are forced into the corner TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTS through discovery. not some photochopped crap from some left-wing website - the actual documents.

Some of you are so incredibly stupid, and dishonest.

The man is a hero. He is defending the Constitution and the Nation. You seem to be confused that the military exists to defend the (p)resident - that is how it is in a dictatorship, not in a Republic.



there are only four possible reasons why anyone would be so vehemently opposed to obama showing his actual birth certificate.

1. they are in denial
2. they are delusional
3. they are stupid
4. they are part of the process to keep it a secret.

USS Clownpenis 04-07-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17014341)
Legit request for any civilian or political leadership. But it's a slippery slope for any officer or enlisted man to use whatever they feel is questionable election, like the 2000 election. The only time a officer or enlisted man can question his or her leadership is when moral issues, of things like life and death, are in question. That's still a tough call since many in ranks don't know all the details of their orders and the greater good. If I am a rifleman being order to cut down a bunch of kids, sure its my obligation to say no. If I am a Fire control officer and I am about lob a 1000lb missile into a defenseless village, I have to question it. But really, a surgeon doesn't have much leg to stand on. At the end of the day he won't be convicted of disobeying the President but his CO. Who is, without a doubt, legit.

BTW, did anyone noticed that this story broke on April First.

The "order" in question is not just any order but an order to report. It comes from the TOP, so the officer is REQUIRED by military law itself to question anything about it that is erroneous, including if he sincerely believes that the originator, in this case the CiC Obama, is not eligible to issue the order.

Not one of the issues you mimic in your post is relevant.

CosmicTang 04-07-2010 03:42 PM

Seems like Obama could shut a lot of people up and make them go away by producing a few documents. The more he resists the more it persists.

BFT3K 04-07-2010 03:46 PM

Birthers = Lunatic Fringe

Speaking of idiocracy, here's a clown urinal for your clown penis...

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theking 04-07-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis (Post 17014505)
The "order" in question is not just any order but an order to report. It comes from the TOP, so the officer is REQUIRED by military law itself to question anything about it that is erroneous, including if he sincerely believes that the originator, in this case the CiC Obama, is not eligible to issue the order.

Not one of the issues you mimic in your post is relevant.

You are very mistaken...and he will pay a consequence but he is fully aware of that and has his own agenda.

kane 04-07-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17014328)
Fiscal Conservatism
The Tea Party Movement supports constitutionally limited government generally and more specifically is anti-stimulus, anti-deficit, anti-bailout and anti-health reform

But if you have ever watched Fox, then you would know that

The problem is that the Tea Party is basically just an extension of the republican party who claim to stand for these things and yet, when in power, pretty much do just the opposite with the exception being anti-health reform. They have never had an interest in it in the past and if in power they wouldn't have an interest in it now. But they grow the debt, they grow the government, they spend money like crazy and and they are about as fiscally conservative as a drunken Kennedy at a strip club.

The beauty is that they have convinced a lot of people in the Tea Party that they really are these things.

The only way the Tea Party can help to break the two party system down is if they run independent candidates who are not democrat or republican, but are Tea Party candidates and work to get them elected. As they are now, they are just going to vote republican and while that may take some power from the democrats and maybe curb some of the crazy spending they are doing, it won't make any real difference in solving the problems of Washington.

mayabong 04-07-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17014571)
Birthers = Lunatic Fringe

Speaking of idiocracy, here's a clown urinal for your clown penis...

http://f.inventorspot.com/files/imag...ist_custom.jpg

I've never looked into the birth certificate thing, but I love how people use the term "lunatic Fringe" for anyone who researches things themselves and asks for the truth. Remember all revolutions have started with a "Lunatic Fringe", including america. Such a closed minded Bill O'Rielly - Sean Hannity phrase.


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