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smutnut 05-06-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114032)
It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

Hey, I have a question for you. Why don't Mexicans like red white and blue on their holiday? They sure mix it in with their Mexican flags during their immigration marches in Downtown Los Angeles. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm curious.

IllTestYourGirls 05-06-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114032)
It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

The problem is not with what the person wears it is with the reaction that it causes. The people who could not handle seeing an AMERICAN FLAG should have been the ones sent home since they are the ones that posed a problem, not the people in the shirts.

bronco67 05-06-2010 12:00 PM

So red, white and blue so offensive to the Mexicans -- Are they oppressed as they live in our country illegally, sucking up our fucking resources? Why wave your arms around when you're hanging on by your fingernails? They should keep their mouths shut or get the fuck out.

pornguy 05-06-2010 12:04 PM

I think a WHOLE lot of REAL info has been left out of this.

Vendzilla 05-06-2010 12:04 PM

If they had done something like that to my daughter I would have got in their faces, anyone that has a problem with my flag can go fuck themselves.

Then again, I did kinda scare a couple of the administrators at my daughters schools over the years, one teacher I helped get fired.

I got a call to leave work and pick my daughter up, she had missed the bus, I got there and she told me she was held after class because the class was disrupting. I got the teacher and the vice principal together the next day and read them the riot act, my daughter was with me, in front of them, I told my daughter when that final bell rings, leave the class and if someone tries to stop you, you have my permission to kick their ass! I never had problems with that school again. Later in high school, I had a teacher disagree with a paper my daughter wrote about the Beatles and gave her a "F", my daughter was a "A" student and did a lot of research on the paper, I raised her to be a "free thinker" and today at 22, we're best friends. Well I got the whole staff in on that, her grade was raised to a "B" and because of that and other complaints, the teacher was fired a month later

ProG 05-06-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114065)
Yes it is logical to remove the kids from the place where they are causing trouble by design, yes it is. My only point is, the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow.

I'm so confused by this argument. How can you sit here and say it's fine for the school to celebrate Cinco De Mayo (From video: "They even had ethnic dancers perform at lunch") and punish those who wish not to? This is insane.

BobG 05-06-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114066)
Hey, I have a question for you. Why don't Mexicans like red white and blue on their holiday? They sure mix it in with their Mexican flags during their immigration marches in Downtown Los Angeles. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm curious.

Haha. Ok, serious answer... Mexicans don't dislike red, white and blue on the United States Holiday of Cinco de Mayo.

BobG 05-06-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17114104)
I'm so confused by this argument. How can you sit here and say it's fine for the school to celebrate Cinco De Mayo (From video: "They even had ethnic dancers perform at lunch") and punish those who wish not to? This is insane.

Ok, if you were an administrator at a school and I was a student, and you saw something that I and a group of friends had specifically planned and were doing that was drawing attention to ourselves, distracting others and had the potential to lead to something far worse... what would you do?

smutnut 05-06-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114108)
Haha. Ok, serious answer... Mexicans don't dislike red, white and blue on the United States Holiday of Cinco de Mayo.

Don't understand the answer. They do or they don't? And isn't it sort of tough shit if they don't since they are here living off the land so to speak whether legally or not? Who the fuck do they think they are? Maybe they should go celebrate this glorious holiday in a land where they can have a better standard of living.

smutnut 05-06-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114140)
Ok, if you were an administrator at a school and I was a student, and you saw something that I and a group of friends had specifically planned and were doing that was drawing attention to ourselves, distracting others and had the potential to lead to something far worse... what would you do?

I would cancel Cinco De Mayo. Very easy answer to that question. It's a no brainer. It incites violence, and it's offensive to the United States of America

Barefootsies 05-06-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17113632)
It would be a lot easier to make a policy that you can't wear any colors or flags at all instead of catering to the Mexican American community and trying to call it something else. That would pretty much make things equal and not piss off people who don't give a flying fuck about special interest holidays.

Agreed.
:disgust

ProG 05-06-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17114162)
Agreed.
:disgust

Shut up faggot.

mechanicvirus 05-06-2010 12:27 PM

This was a stunt done by a group of kids to be ironic on Cinco De Mayo, in their largely mexican filled school.

BobG 05-06-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114159)
I would cancel Cinco De Mayo. Very easy answer to that question. It's a no brainer. It incites violence, and it's offensive to the United States of America

I thought we were having an adult conversation.

BobG 05-06-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114152)
Don't understand the answer. They do or they don't? And isn't it sort of tough shit if they don't since they are here living off the land so to speak whether legally or not? Who the fuck do they think they are? Maybe they should go celebrate this glorious holiday in a land where they can have a better standard of living.

Serious answer... Mexican's don't give a shit if anyone wears red white or blue or whatever they like. Again, the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow.

smutnut 05-06-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114235)
Serious answer... Mexican's don't give a shit if anyone wears red white or blue or whatever they like. Again, the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow.

You don't make any sense at all. It's like talking to a Muslim about the terrorism and Islam and getting all these vague evasive answers.

Move to fucking Mexico!

Jdoughs 05-06-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114260)
You don't make any sense at all. It's like talking to a Muslim about the terrorism and Islam and getting all these vague evasive answers.

Move to fucking Mexico!


I've saw MANY July 4th Celebrations up here in Canada, just American's celebrating their holiday. I would never in a MILLION years try to interupt or be so ignorant as to show up there boasting my countries flag on my back and looking for a fight.

I'd have to be a complete fucking asshole to do that, or from what I've saw in this thread, American.

BobG 05-06-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114260)
You don't make any sense at all. It's like talking to a Muslim about the terrorism and Islam and getting all these vague evasive answers.

Move to fucking Mexico!

I already live in California. :)

BobG 05-06-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17114309)
I've saw MANY July 4th Celebrations up here in Canada, just American's celebrating their holiday. I would never in a MILLION years try to interupt or be so ignorant as to show up there boasting my countries flag on my back and looking for a fight.

I'd have to be a complete fucking asshole to do that, or from what I've saw in this thread, American.

Exactly, it's a matter of mutual respect.

How is this concept so hard to understand for some? Simple... If you want to behave like an asshole, get ready to be treated like one.

smutnut 05-06-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17114309)
I've saw MANY July 4th Celebrations up here in Canada, just American's celebrating their holiday. I would never in a MILLION years try to interupt or be so ignorant as to show up there boasting my countries flag on my back and looking for a fight.

I'd have to be a complete fucking asshole to do that, or from what I've saw in this thread, American.

I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Anyone who goes up to Canada to celebrate the fourth of July deserves to have their fucking ass beaten.

The problem with special interest groups are they are just like religious groups. They are hypocrites who always find a way to twist things around so that the violations they commit can be justified in their own minds.

I really have to stop responding in this thread because I feel it's going to turn me into a Nazi. :1orglaugh

smutnut 05-06-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114327)
Exactly, it's a matter of mutual respect.

How is this concept so hard to understand for some? Simple... If you want to behave like an asshole, get ready to be treated like one.

Mutual respect is not going into someone else's country and spitting on their customs to begin with. Again this is hypocrisy at it's finest.

Tom_PM 05-06-2010 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17114309)
I've saw MANY July 4th Celebrations up here in Canada, just American's celebrating their holiday. I would never in a MILLION years try to interupt or be so ignorant as to show up there boasting my countries flag on my back and looking for a fight.

I'd have to be a complete fucking asshole to do that, or from what I've saw in this thread, American.

But would you be AFRAID to wear the maple leaf in your own country? Would your child be sent home for it? Kids will be kids, the human brain doesnt finish growing until mid 20's. And nothing in the story said those kids "tried" to do anything or even spoke to anyone except the principal sending them home that day.

ProG 05-06-2010 01:04 PM

Plain and simple, regardless of intention, the school is in the wrong for celebrating a mexican holiday and expecting all of their students to do the same.

BobG 05-06-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17114343)
Plain and simple, regardless of intention, the school is in the wrong for celebrating a mexican holiday and expecting all of their students to do the same.

It's a US holiday dude. Now are they not wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo

ProG 05-06-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114357)
It's a US holiday dude. Now are they not wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo

I don't believe a public school should have any agenda for any holiday or any religion. So yes they are still in the wrong.

AlCapone 05-06-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17113574)
Funny, I grew up one town over from there. I know how it is there. The campus can be a volatile place, lots of fighting and things can get ugly quick. The adults and administrators are quick to jump on anyone who is trying to (to put it in the vernacular of the area) "start shit." I can see how, in the administrators eyes, these kids were out to start shit and that doesn't fly on high school campuses in that area. Stuff like that has and does lead to fights, even stabbings and shootings which is exactly why the administrators acted how they did. It's not about patriotism, white v brown or USA vs Mex. Simply a case of putting a stop to the actions of a few, that had the potential to lead to something worse. This news headline could have very well read, "4 kids get killed for wearing red white and blue to school," if the administrators had not acted as they did. Nothing to see here.

Fuck that shit man! If you live in the United States of America and you are here LEGALLY... You are a fucking AMERICAN! RED - WHITE - BLUE are the colors of THIS COUNTRY. Great... You can have pride in your heritage, that's just fantastic, but if it is so great, why are you in America? And why would you "start shit" because someone is proud to be American? That's fucking bullshit, and that School should be fined for interfering with student's right to have pride in their own Country.

BobG 05-06-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17114364)
I don't believe a public school should have any agenda for any holiday or any religion. So yes they are still in the wrong.

Damn, no Christmas break? That's strict.

smutnut 05-06-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114357)
It's a US holiday dude. Now are they not wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo

Who gives a fuck if it's some US holiday or not? Do you send a Jew home from school because he wears his beanie on Good Friday or Ash Wednesday?

ProG 05-06-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114370)
Damn, no Christmas break? That's strict.

It's called winter break, you know like summer break and spring break?

Jdoughs 05-06-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114329)
I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Anyone who goes up to Canada to celebrate the fourth of July deserves to have their fucking ass beaten.

Some people can afford to travel, and to go away to cottage country, or where ever during National Holidays, not everyone just sits around and cries about how unfair shit is.

BobG 05-06-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AlCapone (Post 17114368)
Fuck that shit man! If you live in the United States of America and you are here LEGALLY... You are a fucking AMERICAN! RED - WHITE - BLUE are the colors of THIS COUNTRY. Great... You can have pride in your heritage, that's just fantastic, but if it is so great, why are you in America? And why would you "start shit" because someone is proud to be American? That's fucking bullshit, and that School should be fined for interfering with student's right to have pride in their own Country.

They weren't doing it to be proud to be an American man. Can't you see that? They were doing it to be assholes. ASS - HOLES! Once again, the point is that the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow, and that's the reason administrators put a stop to it. Nothing more, nothing less. Not to stomp out patriotism, not because they aren't proud Americans, not because they don't respect the flag, not because they like Mexicans more... simple because they recognized that the situation had the potential to escalate.

BobG 05-06-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114385)
Who gives a fuck if it's some US holiday or not? Do you send a Jew home from school because he wears his beanie on Good Friday or Ash Wednesday?

Who gives a fuck about some US holiday or not? Are you a patriot or not? You don't give a shit about US days of observance? Move to fucking Mexico then. :1orglaugh

smutnut 05-06-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114418)
Who gives a fuck about some US holiday or not? Are you a patriot or not? You don't give a shit about US days of observance? Move to fucking Mexico then. :1orglaugh

Or Canada. Up there I can celebrate the fourth of July! :1orglaugh

smutnut 05-06-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114413)
They weren't doing it to be proud to be an American man. Can't you see that? They were doing it to be assholes. ASS - HOLES!

Unfortunately (or fortunately really) there's no law against being an asshole, just against discrimination and civil rights violations.

Mr. Romance 05-06-2010 01:30 PM

I am not sure what the word freedom means these days:( Our country has changed so much and keeps changing so fast.

Mr. Romance

BobG 05-06-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17114440)
Unfortunately (or fortunately really) there's no law against being an asshole, just against discrimination and civil rights violations.

right, but at a high school being an asshole can easily lead to a fight.

smax 05-06-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17114357)
It's a US holiday dude. Now are they not wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo




Let's not kid ourselves here, the only reason cinco de mayo has any resemblance to a holiday in the US is due to Corona/Dos XX and Jose Cuervo spending tens of millions on marketing to prop up Mexican branded alcohol sales.

BobG 05-06-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smax (Post 17114479)
Let's not kid ourselves here, the only reason cinco de mayo has any resemblance to a holiday in the US is due to Corona/Dos XX and Jose Cuervo spending tens of millions on marketing to prop up Mexican branded alcohol sales.

Wiki does make note of your observation but does include other reasons as well.

In the United States Cinco de Mayo has taken on a significance beyond that in Mexico.[16][18][19][20] The date is perhaps best recognized in the United States as a date to celebrate the culture and experiences of Americans of Mexican ancestry, much as St. Patrick's Day, Oktoberfest, and the Chinese New Year are used to celebrate those of Irish, German, and Chinese ancestry respectively. Similar to those holidays, Cinco de Mayo is observed by many Americans regardless of ethnic origin. Celebrations tend to draw both from traditional Mexican symbols, such as the Virgen de Guadalupe, and from prominent figures of Mexican descent in the United States, including César Chávez.[21] To celebrate, many display Cinco de Mayo banners while school districts hold special events to educate pupils about its historical significance. Special events and celebrations highlight Mexican culture, especially in its music and regional dancing. Examples include baile folklórico and mariachi demonstrations held annually at the Plaza del Pueblo de Los Angeles, near Olvera Street. Commercial interests in the United States have capitalized on the celebration, advertising Mexican products and services, with an emphasis on beverages,[22] foods, and music.[23][24]

kicks 05-06-2010 01:47 PM

it is not a US holiday, it is celebrated here is all, not out of some respect for the Mexicans winning a battle against the French, it is just an excuse to party. Read the link you posted, here is more for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_..._United_States

It dont matter why they wore what they wore, the school admin should have explained that to the kids that complained in the first place. The same right that allows them to celebrate a holiday that has nothing to do with this country, is the right that allows the others to wear what they wore. The school administrator should have taken the opportunity to explain to kids what this is all about and instead took the approach of someone with little education, at least when it comes to educating children.

This whole thing should never have happened, but things being what they are it did happen, but put the blame where it belongs, with an inept school administrators that used either their own prejudice against the country that gives them a job, educated them and protects them to make his decision or they are just that fucking stupid and should not be in the position of educating kids.

What a brain, let me show these kids they are being assholes wearing their own countries colors on a Mexican holiday, thats just trying to cause trouble because the Mexican... decedents (of course all here legally) could be offended, so we will just take their rights away. We have the power, we are the school! Say the kids planned it, still changes nothing at all, the reaction was ignorant.

But hey, it is cool to bash the USA... all together now

BobG 05-06-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kicks (Post 17114511)
it is not a US holiday, it is celebrated here is all, not out of some respect for the Mexicans winning a battle against the French, it is just an excuse to party. Read the link you posted, here is more for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_..._United_States

It dont matter why they wore what they wore, the school admin should have explained that to the kids that complained in the first place. The same right that allows them to celebrate a holiday that has nothing to do with this country, is the right that allows the others to wear what they wore. The school administrator should have taken the opportunity to explain to kids what this is all about and instead took the approach of someone with little education, at least when it comes to educating children.

This whole thing should never have happened, but things being what they are it did happen, but put the blame where it belongs, with an inept school administrators that used either their own prejudice against the country that gives them a job, educated them and protects them to make his decision or they are just that fucking stupid and should not be in the position of educating kids.

What a brain, let me show these kids they are being assholes wearing their own countries colors on a Mexican holiday, thats just trying to cause trouble because the Mexican... decedents (of course all here legally) could be offended, so we will just take their rights away. We have the power, we are the school! Say the kids planned it, still changes nothing at all, the reaction was ignorant.

But hey, it is cool to bash the USA... all together now

The holiday is not celebrated nor observed in Mexico, only here in the US. Might not technically be a US holiday but it's definitely not a Mexican one. I went to school in the next town over so i'm familiar with how these things work up there. This isn't the first time administrators deal with things like this. Something similar happenned when I was in high school 18 years ago :). They acted to prevent a fight from happening, that's all. Lots of fighting up there in those small towns, administrators have to err on the side of caution at the slightest hint of provocation.


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