Anyway, this is the kind of thing that increases memberships in the Tea Baggers, Minute Men and Militia Movements so I hope you're happy with what went down.

That high school administrators should prevent fights from happenning? Yes, Im fine with it

Totally expected. Live there and youll understand how it is in Cali whenit comes to this stuff.... they want to make the schools Spanish speaking only.

I agree, everyone thinks its such a cut and dry argument. You really need to put yourself in the shoes of the high school officials... Do you let these kids wear these colors (meant to mock the 40% of Hispanic students in the school), or ask them to turn them inside out... Its pretty simple question when it comes to the safety of those students that they did the right thing. Think about if students celebrated Independence Day at school and some group of Hispanic kids wore Mexican flags... Its pretty obvious the kids were trying to be disrespectful to all the other kids not of their origin... I'm pretty sure the exact same thing would have gone down if the roles were flipped and no one would have said anything. If we saw THAT type of story on the news you guys would all say "fuck off, they were being disrespectful to America" You can keep arguing about the constitution and our rights, which were obviously broken.. but that doesn't mean the school didn't do the right thing in this situation. :2 cents:

try to at least know the facts, the kids have mexican parents. The fucking kid looks and sounds hispanic! you are making them sound like racists, when they are MEXICAN! You can be patriotic and be mexican, you do know that right? LOL

Ya I'm sure this group of students all decided to wear American flags on Cinco de Mayo to pay homage to their Mexican heritage and not to get a rise out of the other students. My bad.

According to your logic, The next time I see someone wearing an obama t shirt I am going to call the police because I feel it has the "potential for worse things to follow" Remember the day of the inauguration? allot of people were wearing obama t shirts... I was offended.. What about my rights? According to your logic..:2 cents:

you specifically said: "not of their origin" - so whats that mean? They are of the SAME ORIGIN. Fail.

They are Hispanic too.

You just want to point the finger and scream racism, try again.

I never did play the race card, I was simply giving an example of a different scenario and how it would have been a totally different turn of events. I am not calling these kids racist, I just think its funny how when the school does something to protect kids who were trying to stir shit up in a school system (regardless of how they did it) they get shit on. If they didn't ask for them to remove their shirts it could have seriously escalated to a much bigger story of a hate crime. I probably would have done the same thing in their shoes.

Did you even read it? It is a mexican holiday.
Cinco de Mayo is a regional holiday limited primarily to the state of Puebla. There is some limited recognition of the holiday in other parts of the country.[17] For the most part, the celebrations combine food, music, and dancing.

yes, you did. You charged them with not being of hispanic origin before you knew the facts in an effort to create a racial element to the issue, which has nothing to do with race.

Sorry but please do not attribute that bad analogy as being my logic. It is not.

This isn't about politics or rights for that matter. It's about trying to prevent a fight from happening on a high school campus.

I bet you got in a lot of fights in high school..

Yes I did...

History of observance

Cinco de Mayo dancers greeted by Former U.S. President George W. Bush.
According to a paper published by the UCLA Center for the Study of Latino Health and Culture about the origin of the observance of Cinco de Mayo in the United States, the modern American focus on that day first started in California in the 1860s in response to the resistance to French rule in Mexico.[16] The 2007 paper notes that "The holiday, which has been celebrated in California continuously since 1863, is virtually ignored in Mexico."[16]

No, only 2. But there were near riots on campus and fighting on campus was a big problem.

well played though, I like that. :)

Changes nothing, the school admins acted wrong, 18 years ago or yesterday. The approach was wrong, plain and simple. A failed opportunity to educate kids. Instead what have they accomplished? Let's see, now instead of it being educational it is a big deal. Kids have learned what? The Amexs have learned if they piss and moan they will keep getting their way. The other kids learned if they pitch a bitch to the media they will get heard. So it solved nothing, if anything only causes more bad feelings and has heated things up even more.

It is just another day that part of this nation chooses to celebrate while others have the right to not celebrate it. The actions of the school is the issue and yes others above them are to blame, including the parents. I doubt the ones wearing the flags parents gave it a second thought as they got ready for school.... why should they?

American kids sent home for wearing American colors, in an American school on Cinco De Mayo?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

The United States of American, in terms of a great nation, is over. :2 cents: :(

sooo ridiculous

The insane point is that anyone living here would have a problem with the flag of our country....

So one set of Mexican-American kids wore an American Flag on Cinco De Mayo and this would cause potential problems with other Mexican-American kids????

I don't give a damn what day of the year it is.... How is it your right to control other people by being offended and COMPLAINING to the teacher about someone wearing an American flag???

Either it is an American holiday, in which case, no problem; or it isn't, in which case, please respect our country and our right to be proud of our culture/flag just as we respect your right to celebrate your foreign holiday.


:2 cents:

The insane point is that anyone living here would have a problem with the flag of our country....

Of course that would be insane. Good thing is, nobody had or has a problem with the flag. It was the context in which the flag was being used on a specific day in which another group of Americans celebrating a day of cultural observance, that was perceived to be antagonistic.

So one set of Mexican-American kids wore an American Flag on Cinco De Mayo and this would cause potential problems with other Mexican-American kids????

Yes. Fighting is a big problem at public high schools in that area. Administrators deal with it every day, not just that day. It's not an enviable job and since kids play funny games and then go, "What? Who me? I'm just a patriot? I'm totally innocent," it doesn't make it any easier.

I don't give a damn what day of the year it is.... How is it your right to control other people by being offended and COMPLAINING to the teacher about someone wearing an American flag???

Whether you give a damn about what day of the year it is your own preference. Many other Americans do give a damn about days of cultural observance.
It is not anyone's right to control other people and what they prefer to wear. It is a duty of the administrators to step in when they view something as having potential to start trouble.

Either it is an American holiday, in which case, no problem; or it isn't, in which case, please respect our country and our right to be proud of our culture/flag just as we respect your right to celebrate your foreign holiday.

I agree. Still, the administrators were not disrespecting the country nor being no proud of being an American. They simply recognized that this group of kids planned a provocative act and stopped it before another child might have been provoked into acting out against them. You can't just let kids do whatever they want, no matter what the circumstances. The decisions that were made were based on policies that were likely shaped by incidents that have occurred in the past. Administrators are use to seeing kids try to get an inch and take a mile. They're use to seeing what has the potential to start a fight and what doesn't. They didn't just act on the fly and make up some judgment yesterday because they hate Americans and love Mexicans. They did what they did based on what they know about how children behave and how to control those kids based on what they've experienced in the past.

All in all... kids do stupid shit and try to be funny and provocative to get attention all the time. This was a simple case of the adult going, "we know what you're trying to do, stop it."

Like you, he can read minds. What a bunch of hypocrites!

I appreciate your input on this topic, i really do. I love a good intelligent debate but dude seriously, you say some stupid shit. How old are you man? The whole "you can read minds" dig... so petty and childish. Surprised you didn't say, "nanny nanny nanny" at the end. No man, i can't read minds. You got me there. I can however, draw logical conclusions based on what I know about kids and administrators, on having attending school in the area, and from my experience with school policies. It's like reading minds for intelligent people. google it.

Well, now that the "nothing personal" "Cinco De Mayo Anti American Flag holidays" are over, maybe we can gear up for some Memorial Day and July 4th deportations. That can be nothing personal too, just some good old fashion reinforcement of federal law.

Cinco De Mayo is now an Anti-American holiday? Can you explain?

Everybody always thinks their personal point of view is the correct one. All people with special interests interpret things for their own self serving agendas instead of just going by the book and interpreting things objectively.

Anti American "Flag" Holiday. This is how you debate logically, by leaving words out and twisting things around for your own self serving meaning. It's anti-flag because the kids were sent home for wearing the colors of our country. If this had happened to Mexican kids in an all white school who were wearing their colors on the fourth of July, all hell would be breaking lose right now! They'd probably be riots. They'd certainly be law suits and all types of television bullshit going on.

and what's your personal point of view? Objective as it must be I'm sure.

It's very objective. You don't send one certain group of kids home for wearing anything that doesn't go against school policy. If you think there's going to be violence you either call in the police or send everyone home. That's pretty fair and basic. No favors or special concerns to anyone, especially some group you think is going to start violence and are basically extorting and blackmailing you. This is why we pay taxes to the police and etc.

Administrators should never take action on their own if they think that there might be a fight? Step 1 is always call the police?

How do you take action against something that hasn't happened yet? That's paranoia and makes you mentally unfit to be running things. Why would you even take it against the kids who aren't the ones going to be committing the crimes you think are going to happen? Why would you take it against the kids who's freedom of expression is being violated? Why don't you join the terrorists and go after South Park? They like to fire people up and cause controversy too.

Easy, think Iraq... weapons of mass destruction... preemptive strike. How do you take action against burning your hand on a hot stove if it hasn't happened yet? Why pull over a drunk driver if he hasn't killed anyone or caused an accident yet?

Our ability to be able to logically predict what might, could or will happen in the future with relative accuracy based on what has happened in the past is something that separates humans from other animals. We learn from history.

You're comparing apples and oranges. We're talking about kids choosing to wear something that didn't violate school policy in any way whatsoever, and if you can compare them to Iraq, then that neighborhood is about as anti American as you can get.

Your question was:

How do you take action against something that hasn't happened yet?

My answer was:

One example of how we as a country took action against something that hadn't happened yet, was to launch a preemptive strike in Iraq for fear that they might use weapons of mass destruction. Not debatable... we did that and that answers your question. Whether you understand it or not is your own problem.

another example of taking action against something that hasn't happened yet is pulling over drunk drivers so that they don't cause an accident. This is an easy one.

You, objective thinker, seriously don't understand that taking action against things that have not happened yet is how we stay alive on a day to day basis? If not then stop looking both ways when you cross the street.

When you pull over drunk drivers, they have to be drunk, duh! That's the crime.

The preventive strike against Iraq turned up no weapons of mass destruction so another bad preventive thing to do.

These kids were doing something that was not against the law or school policy. No one had any right to tell them not to do anything or to commit violence against them in anyway.

maybe you're the one who doesn't understand the big picture.

I am passionately against any form of censorship or suppression of expression. I can't believe someone in the porn business isn't or the art world or the entertainment world isn't.

So you're ok with flag burning then?

It doesn't really do anything for me one way or the other, but I don't really think it should be banned. I'm not a republican, just sick and tired of the opposite extreme

The fact that we as adults allow the flag and patriotism to be at issue as a result of the smart ass actions of these kids serves to make us all dumber. It has nothing to do with the flag and everything to do with kids being kids and administrators doing whatever it takes to prevent fights from happening at a high school in a small town. I just spoke with teacher from the next district over and he said that there, there was already heightened security and a police presence on campus that day because of the potential for "brown on brown" violence. With the potential for trouble already smoldering, administrators were surely not out of line in viewing the posturing of these 4 antagonists as a potential match.

Kids shouldnt have tried being controversial knowing the rift it would have caused. They brought attention to themselves. Such is life. Move on.

What's all this fuss about Mayonnaise? And why does it have it's own holiday?

Went to the AT&T store yesterday to check out an iPhone, they were closed for Cinco de Mayo, only their cleaning staff were there. Sadly, their cleaning staff were all Mexican. True story, oh the irony.

Why is wearing an American flag in an American school considered disruptive? You gotta be kidding me. This was a case of reverse discrimination clear and simple. If a Mexican student was sent home for having a Mexican Flag on his clothing, the school would be facing a civil rights lawsuit. I was glad to hear that the school board acted quickly and admonished the one who sent them home.

America is one giant melting pot. One of our greatest strengths is that we are so diverse. Other nations simply don't have this. It would be a travesty to let PC tear us apart.

Spanx!
Jack

Spoken like a true Facist! :thumbsup