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BobG 05-07-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17116560)
Spoken like a true Facist! :thumbsup

Go on and let these kids and their little prank make an idiot out of you. Go on believing that their intentions were pure and patriotic. It's what you want and you will not settle for less. Little fucking kids pulling your strings, got you right where they want you. Sad.

Fletch XXX 05-07-2010 12:07 AM

One thing is for certain. next cinco de mayo plenty of kids gonna wear American flag shirts LOL

The school has officially oked them now. Its on next year.

smutnut 05-07-2010 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17116642)
Go on and let these kids and their little prank make an idiot out of you. Go on believing that their intentions were pure and patriotic. It's what you want and you will not settle for less. Little fucking kids pulling your strings, got you right where they want you. Sad.

It doesn't matter what their intentions were. You're missing the whole point.

smutnut 05-07-2010 06:30 AM

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mountainmiester 05-07-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderCash_Dominik (Post 17113637)
Send everyone wearing green and red on 4th of July and call it even.


I love it!!

Tom_PM 05-07-2010 08:34 AM

Principal made an ERROR in judgment regarding those children and was CORRECTED by his superior.

BobG 05-07-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17116827)
It doesn't matter what their intentions were. You're missing the whole point.

No, you're missing the point. In your world intentions may not matter. Fortunately courts of law do not share your closed mindedness. Intent does matter and is very much relevant in courts of law. Their intention was to be divisive, "in your face", obnoxious, ruffle feathers, and antagonize people celebrating a day of cultural observance. They wore the flag with negative intentions. They wore the flag with pride the same way skinheads wear what they wear with pride... with negative intentions. The potential for serious trouble that the prank presented is what was at issue with the administrators, not the flag itself. Are you not smarter than kids? Do you not know what they were trying to do? According to you, no intelligent human being could have come to the determination that they were looking to start trouble or for a fight? Maybe if you were around high school kids all day every day like these administrators are, you would have a better sense for how kids misbehave and what could happen as a result of such a seemingly harmless (to you) prank. You're the expert though right, not them?

I know, i know... I'm wrong right... it's more likely that the administrators hate the flag and hate America and love Mexicans and censorship so much and that all white people are losing their rights in this country. The administrators weren't at all worried about keeping the peace right, they just wanted to keep the white man down. Poor disenfranchised Caucasian angel children can't even be obnoxious, disrespect other peoples cultural observance days and use the flag to stir up trouble anymore, what has this country come to right? Wrong!

Remember, it's a small town public high school where kids misbehave and where order needs to be maintained (spoken like a true fascist right... blah blah blah), not your front lawn. The administrators did the only thing that they could do to prevent further incident. Four bad apples were about to spoil the bunch. I must say though, clever prank by these kids. They wanted to stir up shit and they succeeded. They ended up stirring up confusion and making adults look like idiots in the process.

smutnut 05-07-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17117937)
No, you're missing the point. In your world intentions may not matter. Fortunately courts of law do not share your closed mindedness. Intent does matter and is very much relevant in courts of law. Their intention was to be divisive, "in your face", obnoxious, ruffle feathers, and antagonize people celebrating a day of cultural observance. They wore the flag with negative intentions. They wore the flag with pride the same way skinheads wear what they wear with pride... with negative intentions. The potential for serious trouble that the prank presented is what was at issue with the administrators, not the flag itself. Are you not smarter than kids? Do you not know what they were trying to do? According to you, no intelligent human being could have come to the determination that they were looking to start trouble or for a fight? Maybe if you were around high school kids all day every day like these administrators are, you would have a better sense for how kids misbehave and what could happen as a result of such a seemingly harmless (to you) prank. You're the expert though right, not them?

I know, i know... I'm wrong right... it's more likely that the administrators hate the flag and hate America and love Mexicans and censorship so much and that all white people are losing their rights in this country. The administrators weren't at all worried about keeping the peace right, they just wanted to keep the white man down. Poor disenfranchised Caucasian angel children can't even be obnoxious, disrespect other peoples cultural observance days and use the flag to stir up trouble anymore, what has this country come to right? Wrong!

Remember, it's a small town public high school where kids misbehave and where order needs to be maintained (spoken like a true fascist right... blah blah blah), not your front lawn. The administrators did the only thing that they could do to prevent further incident. Four bad apples were about to spoil the bunch. I must say though, clever prank by these kids. They wanted to stir up shit and they succeeded. They ended up stirring up confusion and making adults look like idiots in the process.

You need to get out of porn or anything to do with creativity and expression and get yourself a job working in a prison. Work yourself up to warden and you be a big shot and tell everyone what to wear and how to act and everything else.

And don't talk like you're a fucking lawyer because you saw a few episodes of law and order. Those kids violated no law so to bring the law into it at all shows exactly where your mind is at.

You're a bully who wants to control people's lives and thoughts. You'd be great in prison administration if you don't get stabbed to death before you learn a little.

RyuLion 05-07-2010 11:01 AM

Only in America..

RyuLion 05-07-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rique (Post 17116255)
Kids shouldnt have tried being controversial knowing the rift it would have caused. They brought attention to themselves. Such is life. Move on.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

BobG 05-07-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17118046)
You need to get out of porn or anything to do with creativity and expression and get yourself a job working in a prison. Work yourself up to warden and you be a big shot and tell everyone what to wear and how to act and everything else.

And don't talk like you're a fucking lawyer because you saw a few episodes of law and order. Those kids violated no law so to bring the law into it at all shows exactly where your mind is at.

You're a bully who wants to control people's lives and thoughts. You'd be great in prison administration if you don't get stabbed to death before you learn a little.

Right. At the high school you'd run, there would be no rules. You'd let kids run wild and do whatever they want and everything would be so easy and awesome. All administrators, judges, police and even parents who put rules on their kids are fascist prison guards. Blah blah blah.

smutnut 05-07-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118191)
Right. At the high school you'd run, there would be no rules. You'd let kids run wild and do whatever they want and everything would be so easy and awesome. All administrators, judges, police and even parents who put rules on their kids are fascist prison guards. Blah blah blah.

No, I'd make them wear bow ties and numbers to identify them and tell them they could only listen to cucaracha music and eat burritos or they'd have to be sent home

_Richard_ 05-07-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rique (Post 17116255)
Kids shouldnt have tried being controversial knowing the rift it would have caused. They brought attention to themselves. Such is life. Move on.

they should have just shut up, took of their clothes showing their national flags in order to appease people who are using physical violence to intimidate the administration to get what it wants?

BobG 05-07-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17118247)
they should have just shut up, took of their clothes showing their national flags in order to appease people who are using physical violence to intimidate the administration to get what it wants?

Nah, just a little class would suffice.

smutnut 05-07-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118269)
Nah, just a little class would suffice.

Class by your definition of course.

Classy people are usually pretty violent and like to beat people down for not wearing things they agree with or like :1orglaugh

_Richard_ 05-07-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118269)
Nah, just a little class would suffice.

they're teenage boys, class doesn't really kick in for another decade.

frankly, what should have happened is this should have blown over, they should have gotten pushed around a bit and learned some personal lessons about poking fun at other people

instead they caused a massive national debate that exposes a few weaknesses on how the social structure is run

BobG 05-07-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17118208)
No, I'd make them wear bow ties and numbers to identify them and tell them they could only listen to cucaracha music and eat burritos or they'd have to be sent home

And there we have it folks. A glimpse at the origin of a moron's misguided opinions.

smutnut 05-07-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17118297)
they're teenage boys, class doesn't really kick in for another decade.

frankly, what should have happened is this should have blown over, they should have gotten pushed around a bit and learned some personal lessons about poking fun at other people

instead they caused a massive national debate that exposes a few weaknesses on how the social structure is run

That's exactly what should have happened, but he's of the opinion that this neighborhood is so violent that these kids would have been killed or worse.

BobG 05-07-2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17118387)
That's exactly what should have happened, but he's of the opinion that this neighborhood is so violent that these kids would have been killed or worse.

Yes, that is my opinion, because I'm fucking from there and I've seen it happen. I see where Richard is coming from, but if the policy was to just let kids get pushed around a bit instead of prevention, administrators would be overwhelmed with controlling fights. Kids did actually get seriously injured and even stabbed when I was there. That's why prevention is a high priority there and that's why administrators acted as they did. Some of those Mexican kids in that area are with out a doubt, dangerous. If administrators did not act, the headline could have very well been, "Four Kids Stabbed On CDM". It's unfortunate that it's like that but it is. Strict policy dictates that administrators must act to do what they feel is best to protect the kids and that's what administrators had in mind when they acted. Surely you can't believe it was just for the sake of censorship of the US flag, that's absurd. Too absurd to be true.

Parents were actually already keeping their kids home that day because of the expectation that there might be "brown v brown" violence. Administrators were already on edge, there was heightened security and even police presence on campus. They would have been incompetent had they allowed a few goofballs to undermine their security measures.

smutnut 05-07-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118550)
Yes, that is my opinion, because I'm fucking from there and I've seen it happen. I see where Richard is coming from, but if the policy was to just let kids get pushed around a bit instead of prevention, administrators would be overwhelmed with controlling fights. Kids did actually get seriously injured and even stabbed when I was there. That's why prevention is a high priority there and that's why administrators acted as they did. Some of those Mexican kids in that area are with out a doubt, dangerous. If administrators did not act, the headline could have very well been, "Four Kids Stabbed On CDM". It's unfortunate that it's like that but it is. Strict policy dictates that administrators must act to do what they feel is best to protect the kids and that's what administrators had in mind when they acted. Surely you can't believe it was just for the sake of censorship of the US flag, that's absurd. Too absurd to be true.

Parents were actually already keeping their kids home that day because of the expectation that there might be "brown v brown" violence. Administrators were already on edge, there was heightened security and even police presence on campus. They would have been incompetent had they allowed a few goofballs to undermine their security measures.

Then that neighborhood should be shut down. There's no reason for people to live in that kind of violence, and violence over something that has to do with our countries symbols. That's close to treason and terrorism.

You basically want martial law. Which would be fine by me as long as it doesn't spill over into my area, but don't complain later if you want to give it all up over something like this.

BobG 05-07-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17118586)
Then that neighborhood should be shut down. There's no reason for people to live in that kind of violence, and violence over something that has to do with our countries symbols. That's close to treason and terrorism.

You basically want martial law. Which would be fine by me as long as it doesn't spill over into my area, but don't complain later if you want to give it all up over something like this.

LOL. I wish the world was as simple as it is in your mind.

Read between the lines man. I know this might be a first for you but go a little beneath the surface and you'll begin to understand that this has nothing to do with our countries symbols and everything to do with keeping the peace and disallowing trouble makers at a high school. The flag in this instance is a pawn. The kids used the flag. Believing that this is about our countries symbols is like believing that when someone shouts fire in a crowded theater, it's about fire or movies. Be smart man, don't be fooled by kids.

No matter what you're wearing or not... if you start trouble at a high school, you'll be sent home. This is not about the flag.

mrjoint 05-07-2010 12:28 PM

Dude we all know the kids were trying to stir up shit. Unless school had policies in place about dress code (which some public schools do now), they are wrong for sending the kids home.

Yes they were worried fights could break out. And as per your post they already had heighten security in place. Then why did the admin wanted to send these kids home ? they already had security right ???

We understand running a high school isn't easy. I know couple of friends who are principals in public high schools. It's a fucking nightmare. To me it sounds like , action offended the admin more than fellow students.

What the school should do is develop policies to handle things better. Kids are kids and adults needs to educate them. Not act like kids them self.

It is ok to be proud of your heritage and celebrate whatever you want. America does allow that. But Americans don't like to be pissed on.

Thats why I find it funny, when people bring Mexican flags to public demonstration shouting in Spanish. It's like saying I want to move into your house ,but I want you to change your house rules.

If that were the case, why did they leave mexico ? They did move here for better life right ? they why try to change it ?? I don't understand it.

Fletch XXX 05-07-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17117537)
Principal made an ERROR in judgment regarding those children and was CORRECTED by his superior.

Exactly, in the end, the kids won. And next year, more American kids will wear the red-white-blue.

:thumbsup

smutnut 05-07-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118700)
LOL. I wish the world was as simple as it is in your mind.

Read between the lines man. I know this might be a first for you but go a little beneath the surface and you'll begin to understand that this has nothing to do with our countries symbols and everything to do with keeping the peace and disallowing trouble makers at a high school. The flag in this instance is a pawn. The kids used the flag. Believing that this is about our countries symbols is like believing that when someone shouts fire in a crowded theater, it's about fire or movies. Be smart man, don't be fooled by kids.

No matter what you're wearing or not... if you start trouble at a high school, you'll be sent home. This is not about the flag.

Dude you really make this area sound like a Mexican Terrorist organization in the making. "trouble makers for wearing the countries colors" "shouting fire in a crowded theater" What the fuck, man? To tell you the truth, I can't imagine the people there or the area in general being as bad as you're making it out to be. They must be so ashamed of themselves by now everyone will be wearing American flags next year!

brentbacardi 05-07-2010 12:44 PM

WOW this is all fucking retarded. Since when do we need to cater to idiots with anger problems. If seeing an american flag might cause you to riot then you probably shouldn't live in america, and if you do, they have special places for you to get an education. Possibly start in special ed where a teacher can hold your hand and tell you its ok and that an american flag is ok and make sure you don't hyperventilate, and if you end up kicking someones head in, im pretty sure they teach high school in prisons, so you will still get your free education.

Why do we cater to crazy fucking morons of any race creed sexuality or color?

and BTW America was founded on a war for our freedoms, I don't think the founding fathers would have peoples freedoms taken away because there might be a brawl and someone could get a black eye OH MY!

smutnut 05-07-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brentbacardi (Post 17118925)

and BTW America was founded on a war for our freedoms, I don't think the founding fathers would have peoples freedoms taken away because there might be a brawl and someone could get a black eye OH MY!

Or even shot in the face for that matter.

brentbacardi 05-07-2010 12:55 PM

Yeah, well if you have to worry about that at your high school then its already fucked up, and taking off kids american flag t shirts isn't going to change anything....

tiger 05-07-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17113654)
Fuck Cinco de mayo :321GFY:321GFY

This is total bullshit! Who gives a fuck if the hispanics are pissed. This is America, don't like it...get the fuck out!!! The ones probably bitching are illegals ;)
I hope these students sue the fuck out of the school system, I know I would be if it was my kid :2 cents:

Do you get this upset on St. Patrick's day too?

_Richard_ 05-07-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17118550)
Yes, that is my opinion, because I'm fucking from there and I've seen it happen. I see where Richard is coming from, but if the policy was to just let kids get pushed around a bit instead of prevention, administrators would be overwhelmed with controlling fights. Kids did actually get seriously injured and even stabbed when I was there. That's why prevention is a high priority there and that's why administrators acted as they did. Some of those Mexican kids in that area are with out a doubt, dangerous. If administrators did not act, the headline could have very well been, "Four Kids Stabbed On CDM". It's unfortunate that it's like that but it is. Strict policy dictates that administrators must act to do what they feel is best to protect the kids and that's what administrators had in mind when they acted. Surely you can't believe it was just for the sake of censorship of the US flag, that's absurd. Too absurd to be true.

Parents were actually already keeping their kids home that day because of the expectation that there might be "brown v brown" violence. Administrators were already on edge, there was heightened security and even police presence on campus. They would have been incompetent had they allowed a few goofballs to undermine their security measures.

I get what you're saying and obviously this situation is different on the ground. But there is a reason violence is so predominant in every society and that is because we're hardwired to understand, and most often relate, to a different group of people that isn't understood.

frankly, if there was an situation banning the wearing of burkas because there was no way the people wearing those cultural clothes safety could be protected, there would be riots and protests.

Why isn't the 'majority' protected, formally and informally, the same way? People are dying for this flag at the moment, and kids aren't able to wear them to school because they're being 'racist'?

brassmonkey 05-07-2010 01:32 PM

damn shame being sent home for being american

smutnut 05-07-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger (Post 17119269)
Do you get this upset on St. Patrick's day too?

I certainly do, cause everyone thinks I'm Irish and I'm really English, French and Portuguese, and the second I get rid of all these Mexican terrorists, I'm going after the Irish :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Barefootsies 05-07-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17115658)
I appreciate your input on this topic, i really do. I love a good intelligent debate but dude seriously, you say some stupid shit. How old are you man? The whole "you can read minds" dig... so petty and childish. Surprised you didn't say, "nanny nanny nanny" at the end. No man, i can't read minds. You got me there. I can however, draw logical conclusions based on what I know about kids and administrators, on having attending school in the area, and from my experience with school policies. It's like reading minds for intelligent people. google it.

:Oh crap

La_Sexorcist 05-07-2010 01:50 PM

This is utter crap. Don't even get me started!!!

BobG 05-07-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by brentbacardi (Post 17118925)
WOW this is all fucking retarded. Since when do we need to cater to idiots with anger problems. If seeing an american flag might cause you to riot then you probably shouldn't live in america, and if you do, they have special places for you to get an education. Possibly start in special ed where a teacher can hold your hand and tell you its ok and that an american flag is ok and make sure you don't hyperventilate, and if you end up kicking someones head in, im pretty sure they teach high school in prisons, so you will still get your free education.

Why do we cater to crazy fucking morons of any race creed sexuality or color?

and BTW America was founded on a war for our freedoms, I don't think the founding fathers would have peoples freedoms taken away because there might be a brawl and someone could get a black eye OH MY!

You say "catering to idiots with anger problems," administrators say, "protecting kids." Since when do we cater to idiots with anger problems? By your definition, since we have a police department in every city and town in the country. By you're logic, we're catering to criminals by employing police. The fact is, idiots with anger problems do exist, they've always existed and they're not going anywhere. I wish they would leave the country too and we could all live in peace and harmony. We know that's impossible. In administrators eyes, the primary goal is to protect kids. This is about protecting kids. Protecting kids.

smutnut 05-07-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17119874)
You say "catering to idiots with anger problems," administrators say, "protecting kids." Since when do we cater to idiots with anger problems? By your definition, since we have a police department in every city and town in the country. By you're logic, we're catering to criminals by employing police. The fact is, idiots with anger problems do exist, they've always existed and they're not going anywhere. I wish they would leave the country too and we could all live in peace and harmony. We know that's impossible. In administrators eyes, the primary goal is to protect kids. This is about protecting kids. Protecting kids.

It's always about the kids, right? Do you think these lazy motherfuckers really want to teach kids who know they are smarter than the people teaching them? Just curious. :1orglaugh

BobG 05-07-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17119918)
It's always about the kids, right? Do you think these lazy motherfuckers really want to teach kids who know they are smarter than the people teaching them? Just curious. :1orglaugh

Yes, it's always about the kids unless you snutnut, say it's not based on everything you know about the administrators, the campus and the area, which is nothing. In which case then it must be that administrators like Mexico better than America.

smutnut 05-07-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17119975)
Yes, it's always about the kids unless you snutnut, say it's not based on everything you know about the administrators, the campus and the area, which is nothing. In which case then it must be that administrators like Mexico better than America.

This particular issue I am sure was about forcing Mexico upon America, until they remembered they had an immigration issue to deal with that was much bigger and much more lucrative and profitable...

BobG 05-07-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17119981)
This particular issue I am sure was about forcing Mexico upon America, until they remembered they had an immigration issue to deal with that was much bigger and much more lucrative and profitable...

Forcing Mexico upon America. LOL, sounds like "forcer's guilt." How ironic. Thanks for that one, never thought of it that way. I hope you're joking or trolling me and don't actually believe that. Either way, you haven't had a point worth arguing for your last few posts so I'm gonna leave it at that. It was nice, it was fun. Have a nice weekend. :thefinger :)

smutnut 05-07-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 17120011)
Forcing Mexico upon America. LOL, sounds like "forcer's guilt." How ironic. Thanks for that one, never thought of it that way. I hope you're joking or trolling me and don't actually believe that. Either way, you haven't had a point worth arguing for your last few posts so I'm gonna leave it at that. It was nice, it was fun. Have a nice weekend. :thefinger :)

Oh really? So you don't think immigrant Mexican bullshit is being forced upon America?

The last time America forced itself upon people who needed some form of support in this area was like 100 years ago. Lets take history

cykoe6 05-07-2010 05:10 PM

I cannot believe there is anyone who even tries defend this shit. If the US loses the will to stand up for its own culture and traditions then it will cease to exist soon enough. Anyone involved with harassing those kids for wearing the flag of their own nation needs to be fired at a bare minimum. Unfortunately this is the natural result of the federal government's longstanding policy of unlimited immigration without assimilation. Truly depressing stuff. :disgust


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